David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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He was poor. Liability at the moment. Goalkeeping is about a lot more than making saves. His confidence is shot, he gives the defence no confidence at all. Awful at crosses and set-pieces, struggles with low shots, and his distribution, which used to be excellent, has gone downhill as well.

It's a very worrying situation tbh, no simple solution in sight.
 
Floyd said:
The second goal, It' s not a mistake per se, but he's easily beaten at the near post again and again. See Yakubu and a couple of City's goal at OT.

Fergie, your handling of the GK situation is a shambles! Make up your mind! Preferably on Lindegaard. Ta.
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That's what I was saying. Seems other strikers are taking notice as it seems the easiest way to beat him is to shoot directly at him. He should be blocking with feet not going to ground in those situations.
 
All 3 United said:
Are you serious?! Reins wasn't perfect but there was a bloody gulf between them today.

DDG should be loaned out. He has cost us a lot more points in the league than he has saves us and now we are out of the FA cup. Not just because of him but he certainly didn't help.
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How many points has he cost us oh knower of football and math?
 
Not as bad as some are making out but should've done better. More puzzling is that he was picked in the first place in a highly charged match with little match sharpness. Linde has been excellent and whatever the merits of both keepers, I think most of us feel more comfortable with the Dane in goal. Weird.
 
rcoobc said:
Agreed Lynk. Lindegaard should have played, and the De Gea could have got a decent run before the next big game.

If De Gea is ready for the Premier League, he clearly isn't fecking ready for Anfield.
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He was our best player there earlier on the in season. He can handle Anfield but not when he's low on confidence without being played for a month. Silly decision from Fergie.

He needs to be treated like Lindegaard was at the start of the season, give him games against cannon fodder where his confidence can be built back up slowly. I think it's clear he's bloody talented but this one flaw in his game needs to ironed out before he can be trusted with our number 1 shirt.
 
rcoobc said:
Agreed Lynk. Lindegaard should have played, and the De Gea could have got a decent run before the next big game.

If De Gea is ready for the Premier League, he clearly isn't fecking ready for Anfield.
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:confused: He was fantastic in our PL game at Klanfield this season.

His confidence is gone, I don't think SAF has handled the GK situation well this season. Lindegaard should be #1 for the remainder of the season but I think we'll see more rotation and it won't work.
 
Roy said:
He was poor. Liability at the moment. Goalkeeping is about a lot more than making saves. His confidence is shot, he gives the defence no confidence at all. Awful at crosses and set-pieces, struggles with low shots, and his distribution, which used to be excellent, has gone downhill as well.

It's a very worrying situation tbh, no simple solution in sight.
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Yes there is a simple solution, it's called patience and stop dicking about with who's in goal.
 
At the moment he's not good enough. He's a skinny kid, not what you need in goal in this country.

If it was the CL final tomorrow I'd pick Lindegaard!

I know he's young but he's not been here long and he's made so many mistakes.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
You guys are very harsh. He's in a new country at a new team and he's still learning his craft. He's having to unlearn some of those things because he has to adapt to the English game. Also he's had very little chance to play alongside the likes of Vidic and Ferdinand, especially Vidic who offers great physical presence defensively. It's a difficult bedding in period and it was to be expected. He'll be fine, he's got a good mentality. His confidence looked fragile but after a 10 min period where he fumbled a few things he handled well and there was nothing he could do on the final goal.
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Ohhh FFS. do you raise Golden Retriever puppies ?:lol:
 
He'll come good with a big experienced player leading the defence - someone like Vidic, who he's only played a handful of games with so far. Coming into the team as it is now with a patched-up ever-changing defence is going to be difficult for anyone, let alone a 20 year old with little English.
 
I've never really criticised Sir Alex in the past, but I think the goalkeeper selection today has been the most obvious mistake I've seen him make.
 
decorativeed said:
That's what I was saying. Seems other strikers are taking notice as it seems the easiest way to beat him is to shoot directly at him. He should be blocking with feet not going to ground in those situations.
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Yep.

Does no one remember how VDS used to take up position in those situations?

Like FJim posted earlier. It's one of the most memorable - at least to me - images of VDS. Some attacker bearing down to shoot near post, and VDS with his legs comically stuck together, noncommittal, ready to stick either leg out.



At about 0:27. I'm sure there are better vids out there.
 
Denis' cuff said:
Not as bad as some are making out but should've done better. More puzzling is that he was picked in the first place in a highly charged match with little match sharpness. Linde has been excellent and whatever the merits of both keepers, I think most of us feel more comfortable with the Dane in goal. Weird.
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He did have one of his better games (in the league) at Anfield so maybe that was the thinking.
 
decorativeed said:
That's what I was saying. Seems other strikers are taking notice as it seems the easiest way to beat him is to shoot directly at him. He should be blocking with feet not going to ground in those situations.
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What bullshit. Yakubu isn't a great finisher. He hit it between DDG's legs, which is usually a great place to shoot when 1v1 on a keeper. He didn't mean too but he didn't. If a goalkeeper closes down his goal well that's often the only place to put it and it's not a big gap so players won't have a go unless they're very confident.

Goal he conceded at City was a mistake, pure and simple. His first game ever for United was against the biggest rivals and he didn't do good. That's it.

Nothing about other strikers taking notice. FFS. Some of you lot just type out anything that comes to mind after a loss, without any logic or reason.
 
There are two main kind of ways to goal keep one on ones.

1) Hart / Chesney their stance is the feet close together, arms down near their sides with palm facing the attacker and pointing down.

2) De Gea / Spanish appraoch - legs wide apart, arms sprad out, palm facing the attacker and fingers parallel to the ground.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both approaches.

In approach 1 as your legs are closer together you can dive either way as you can collapse your leg and fall down and dive. However your side to side movements are restricted and you can be chipped.

In approach 2 as your legs are wide apart you cant move much side to side but you close more of the goal down. You are unlikely to get chipped as you are standing up more. Downside is you are susceptible to a shot between your legs.

In either case good positioning is required.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Yes there is a simple solution, it's called patience and stop dicking about with who's in goal.
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Half right for me.

We had patience with him. He was the first choice keeper when we had a perfectly good Lindegaard sitting on the bench. Yes, you can say that four or five months isn't enough time for a new young goalkeeper, fair enough, but to be honest, we haven't got much room to be patient when City win and win and win. We can't drop points at home to fecking Blackburn, but we did, and he was the culprit for me.

But we shouldn't piss about with our keeper. Lindegaard should have played today, and it's a mystery as to why he didn't. We all know how Liverpool play, and De Gea is the last keeper who should be facing that.
 
Should he have saved that second Liverpool goal?

My mate is
A goal keeper and is
Adds ment that shots bets every goal keeper there is, and that to save it, it would have been a world class save.

I said if he saved it it would have been a good save, but I would have liked to have seen him save it, and if doing so it wouldn't have been world class as it practically skimmed his leg. Thought he could of maybe got a foot to it regardless of being wrong footed. Not shit, but wud have expected better.

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ArmchairCritic said:
Yes there is a simple solution, it's called patience and stop dicking about with who's in goal.
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Agree about rotating the keepers, it was a very bad decision, can't remember a time when this has worked out for anyone.

The only problem is that Lindegaard has not been too convincing.
 
Commadus said:
There are two main kind of ways to goal keep one on ones.

1) Hart / Chesney their stance is the feet close together, arms down near their sides with palm facing the attacker and pointing down.

2) De Gea / Spanish appraoch - legs wide apart, arms sprad out, palm facing the attacker and fingers parallel to the ground.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both approaches.

In approach 1 as your legs are closer together you can dive either way as you can collapse your leg and fall down and dive. However your side to side movements are restricted and you can be chipped.

In approach 2 as your legs are wide apart you cant move much side to side but you close more of the goal down. You are unlikely to get chipped as you are standing up more. Downside is you are susceptible to a shot between your legs.

In either case good positioning is required.
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Approach 2 isn't really a good option in Premier League. Most strikers/players in PL are pretty basic when it comes to finishing, they won't try anything fancy when they are through on goal they just try to hit the net usually with a low shot and hope for the best. Kuyts goal today is a great example of that.
 
Commadus said:
There are two main kind of ways to goal keep one on ones.

1) Hart / Chesney their stance is the feet close together, arms down near their sides with palm facing the attacker and pointing down.

2) De Gea / Spanish appraoch - legs wide apart, arms sprad out, palm facing the attacker and fingers parallel to the ground.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both approaches.

In approach 1 as your legs are closer together you can dive either way as you can collapse your leg and fall down and dive. However your side to side movements are restricted and you can be chipped.

In approach 2 as your legs are wide apart you cant move much side to side but you close more of the goal down. You are unlikely to get chipped as you are standing up more. Downside is you are susceptible to a shot between your legs.

In either case good positioning is required.
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See Im a Pole and we were taught at PE some basics of sports and how to play in certain potions. In point 1) you perfectly described what i was told by PE teach at the age 13. And since i often play as a goalie I always follow these instructions. Legs together, palms facing the opponent and try to close the attacker.

For me it's basics of this craft, really surprised that there are other ways.
 
Liam147 said:
Half right for me.

We had patience with him. He was the first choice keeper when we had a perfectly good Lindegaard sitting on the bench. Yes, you can say that four or five months isn't enough time for a new young goalkeeper, fair enough, but to be honest, we haven't got much room to be patient when City win and win and win. We can't drop points at home to fecking Blackburn, but we did, and he was the culprit for me.

But we shouldn't piss about with our keeper. Lindegaard should have played today, and it's a mystery as to why he didn't. We all know how Liverpool play, and De Gea is the last keeper who should be facing that.
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He's already faced that before. Lindegaard has also played City. Didn't do well. What do you reckon about that? He's been tested half as much as DDG has. When it was DDG's turn to have an "easy" game in goal the defense turned against itself and made horrible mistakes. Conceded a penalty and lost the ball at the edge of our own box. That's 2-0 under right there.

I don't think Lindegaard looks all that confident as well and I'm not to happy about SAF in all this as he's hardly inspired confidence in neither of them.
 
I said after the Blackburn game that Lindegaard needs a good run of games in the team. De Gea needs some time out to regain his confidence as well as improving his game in training.
 
Fergie's managment of the whole keeper situation has been very questionable. Makes you wonder what's going on and being said in the dressing room and in training.
 
Snow said:
He's already faced that before. Lindegaard has also played City. Didn't do well. What do you reckon about that? He's been tested half as much as DDG has. When it was DDG's turn to have an "easy" game in goal the defense turned against itself and made horrible mistakes. Conceded a penalty and lost the ball at the edge of our own box. That's 2-0 under right there.

I don't think Lindegaard looks all that confident as well and I'm not to happy about SAF in all this as he's hardly inspired confidence in neither of them.
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First goal, penalty, can't do much about that. Second goal, as far as I can remember (I'm prepared to be proved wrong) hit the middle of the goal, that's not good. Third goal needs no explanation. Yes the defence was poor, but that doesn't excuse DDG.

Lindegaard against City wasn't great. At the same time he wasn't bad. Their second goal you might say he should do better, other than that you didn't worry whenever they attacked for fear of a mistake. Every time they had a corner today I felt exactly like I did against Blackburn: 'this could go in'

Lindegaard looks far more assured in goal, and AFAIK, has the best shots:saves ratio in the league.
 
All 3 United said:
He has cost us a lot more points in the league than he has saves us
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Where has he cost us points in the league other than in the Blackburn game? Not that it wasn't terrible but it's still just only one game.

On the other hand he's had motm performances against Liverpool and Stoke - we would not have gotten anything from those game had it not been for his performance. He also made saves at crucial moments against Arsenal and Chelsea.

Anyway I would agree that Lindegaard should be first choice right now. Still think some of the criticism DDG is getting is over the top though. We all knew he was gonna make mistakes. He's certainly made plenty but he's also shown positive signs that I feel many are ignoring.

btw about the legs thing - VDS conceded a lot of goals through his legs. A lot.
 
My Spurs supporting mate just txted me and said he looks dodgier than Gomez. Ive not replied, because I find it hard to argue with that right now.
 
Randall Flagg said:
We have a pretty major goalkeeping problem. Similar to when Pete left.

Im scared
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Are you being stupid on purpose? Explain to me, what our current #1 is doing so badly wrong to suggest that we have a 'major problem'. If both keepers get injured, then yes. Even if just Lindegaard got injured I wouldn't say it was major. But DDG's going through a very poor spell, and needs to greatly improve his aerial ability.
 
Its difficult because he's been thrown in a game after being on the bench for weeks with no other match practice (including reserves). I think he will eventually come good. He's young and he needs to build his confidence and that can only happen by getting a run of games and clean sheets under his belt.
 
Mistakes from De Gea was to be expected, but I think Fergie's handling of the two keepers is more frustrating. I have no qualms with giving De Gea a chance against Liverpool at Anfield, but the decision is very questionable when you take into consideration he hasn't played at all in the last few games. A stern test, in what is perhaps the most intimidating atmosphere for a Utd player when his confidence isn't high, was the wrong move IMO.

In short keeper rotation is shite.
 
Denis' cuff said:
Not as bad as some are making out but should've done better. More puzzling is that he was picked in the first place in a highly charged match with little match sharpness. Linde has been excellent and whatever the merits of both keepers, I think most of us feel more comfortable with the Dane in goal. Weird.
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In short keeper rotation is shite.
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I totally agree, strange choice from Fergie, especially as Carroll was playing. I personally think that De Gea was badly at fault for the first goal, he tried to come for a ball that was impossible for him to get, if he had read the situation correctly it would have been a simple catch for him.

His insurance on the post, Rafael, also left his position, something I have seen him do before at the cost of a goal.

I agree that keeper rotation is shite, all it has served to do is undermine De Gea's confidence, which made SAF's selection today even stranger. We should have just let De Gea ride out the storm and never have dropped him. At the end of the day De Gea has unlimited potential and IMO Lindegard has a definite ceiling.
 
Too much pressure on a quite inexperienced 20 year old to replace VDS? In hindsight a Friedel/Lindegaard tandem one or two seasons might have been a better option.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
I totally agree, strange choice from Fergie, especially as Carroll was playing. I personally think that De Gea was badly at fault for the first goal, he tried to come for a ball that was impossible for him to get, if he had read the situation correctly it would have been a simple catch for him.

His insurance on the post, Rafael, also left his position, something I have seen him do before at the cost of a goal.
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Rafael was still there but the header was out of reach from him, De Gea should have stayed on the line and it would have been an easy catch for him.
 
Chrisjn_ said:
Should he have saved that second Liverpool goal?

My mate is
A goal keeper and is
Adds ment that shots bets every goal keeper there is, and that to save it, it would have been a world class save.

I said if he saved it it would have been a good save, but I would have liked to have seen him save it, and if doing so it wouldn't have been world class as it practically skimmed his leg. Thought he could of maybe got a foot to it regardless of being wrong footed. Not shit, but wud have expected better.

Thoughts?
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see my post re goalkeeping approaches.
 
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