Yeah It is, worst group of central mids in the top 6 teams of the epl.
Darron Gibson to Leave United?
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Yeah It is, worst group of central mids in the top 6 teams of the epl.
I've a feeling Gibson isn't going to move at all & is going to shine big time for us in the coming campaign.
And there, my friends, is the problem with feelings.
Joking?
The content of this thread is mental.
You seem to have great faith in Gibson BP, why do you think he has failed to shine so far?
It shows how people under-rate our midfield. When on form, Carrick, Giggs and probably Fletch are better than anyone bar Modric that Spurs or Liverpool have in midfield. Carrick and Fletcher are exactly what Arsenal are missing. Giggs has regularly dominated the Chelsea midfield over the last few years.
We're definitely missing something in there, but our midfield isn't as bad as is widely made out. One good signing and we've probably got the best in the league.
TBP is a dullard, though. Take no notice.
It sounds horrible but City's midfield is really really good.
Silva and Toure with some donkey behind them doing the dirty work is pretty formidable.
Silva and Toure with some donkey behind them doing the dirty work is pretty formidable.
I wouldn't quite go that far, but i agree our midfield is being underrated. The main problem as i see it is a lack of consistency.
Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson and Gibson are much more capable than their form often shows. I am not making excuses for them at all, but i genuinely believe we have unfortunately not seen their best form at the same time.
If we are measuring ourselves against Barca then it will make little difference who we sign. Fabregas and Banega would probably close the gap a little but other than that i really fail to see anyone with sufficient quality to seriously trouble Barca's midfield.
Go feck yourself!
He doesn't think that though.
That is the problem, they are rarely in form (together). It's not only Barcelona, one of the reasons for our poor form away from home was the tendency of our midfield to collapse against aggressive opposition. Except for Chelsea, we were bitch slapped in every top contest away from home. We need someone who can at least enable us to hold our own in the center.
We don't need our midfield to be as good as Barcelona. All we need is a midfield capable of holding it's own, and supplying the front line. We, Chelsea, Arsenal, Inter, Real, have defeated them with inferior midfields in the past few years. In Rome, our midfield was just nonexistent, leaving our defense exposed. No defense could stand that onslaught unscathed for 90 minutes.
We need new personnel in midfield to deal with them. Just help us keep the ball long enough to launch a counter attack. Give us a few of those and we'll smash them. Hopefully Ferguson will get someone, 2 defeats back to back don't look too good on his resume.
Some will argue that rotation works for us but, for me one of our problems of having a good CM is over rotation. Perhaps some of has been enforced due to injury and suspension but, I hope this coming season we start with Carrick/Anderson as our pair in a 2 man CM and then as needed rotate Giggs in place of Anderson.
If we play a 3 man CM, then if fit it should be Carrick/Fletcher/Anderson again with Giggs either filling in for Fletcher or Anderson as needed. If those 3 are playing most of our games in CM, I think they'll be up there with the best in the league and will stack up to any of our rivals and with Giggs in the equation, I don't think we'll lose many CM battles in the league.
Biggest question will be when Carrick is out this season - who plays the sitting role? If Gibson isn't sold then he could if he worked his socks off in terms of being able track back and just read the game better, he could play the role as he is a good passer of the ball. If he keeps it simple and tidy like Carrick does for the most part, he could have a role still to play. Just don't want to see him in a more advanced role any more - he's had his chance but, he hasn't developed the work rate for tracking back or fighting to get the ball back for me
If we play a 3 man CM, then if fit it should be Carrick/Fletcher/Anderson again with Giggs either filling in for Fletcher or Anderson as needed. If those 3 are playing most of our games in CM, I think they'll be up there with the best in the league and will stack up to any of our rivals and with Giggs in the equation, I don't think we'll lose many CM battles in the league.
Biggest question will be when Carrick is out this season - who plays the sitting role? If Gibson isn't sold then he could if he worked his socks off in terms of being able track back and just read the game better, he could play the role as he is a good passer of the ball. If he keeps it simple and tidy like Carrick does for the most part, he could have a role still to play. Just don't want to see him in a more advanced role any more - he's had his chance but, he hasn't developed the work rate for tracking back or fighting to get the ball back for me
Their strength is the ability of their midfield to keep the ball and play the ball centrally. That will never be our strength. What we can do: fast, blistering counter attacks on the wings, using wingers, fullbacks and strikers. Our midfielders will supplement this, not compete for the best Tiki Taka award.
Wouldn't disagree with any of that. However one factor you seem to be overlooking is that to instigate fast counter attacks we need players capable of receiving and keeping the ball under pressure, then having the composure and quality to find a teammate in space.
This has been our problem against the bigger teams especially Barca, when put under pressure Carrick panics, Fletcher's lack of technique and composure is shown up and Anderson gives the ball away too easily. Giggs too can often be hit and miss.
That was my point regarding Fabregas and Banega, not to attempt to beat Barca at their own game, but more specifically having players with the technical ability and composure to keep possession under pressure, while still being capable of delivering the telling pass afterwards.
Exactly. A thousand times over Exactly.
Giggs is fine as an AM in a 4231 (or in a 433), he's not really as good in the 2 (and has played few games there).
We beat Chelsea 3 times in quick succession with Giggs playing centre mid (in a 2) and probably being the best player on the pitch in each.
Life would have been fine if Giggs was 25 or 28. But he's 37. Carrick and Fletcher do a job, but Giggs is one of a kind for us and only Anderson can do some of the passing he does - and does it erraticaly.
I can't forget how we were in good form in the closing couple of months of the season, but when we played City and Arsenal without Giggs, it didn't look good at all. We were clueless at times. That strengthened my belief we need that sort of player, with those sort of abilities - who can play regularly, rather than once a week.
I can't forget how we were in good form in the closing couple of months of the season, but when we played City and Arsenal without Giggs, it didn't look good at all. We were clueless at times. That strengthened my belief we need that sort of player, with those sort of abilities - who can play regularly, rather than once a week.
how so?
if he was part of safs plan he wouldnt be talking about him as being in limbo,
by what fergie has said he is more than open to gibson leaving ergo he is not really that bohtered if gibson goes.
I guess if he stays fergie will use him but he will never be a lynchpin at united.
Ithink he will be gone by the start of the season
He's not a centre half that's for sure!
What's happening with this? Any movement on his transfer? He certainly hasn't been involved in pre-season much.
It's weird because he's seemingly not staying, otherwise he would play in the pre-season, but no one seems to be after him either. He turned down a move to Sunderland for some reason and Stoke who were linked haven't really stepped up their interest.
Perhaps we want to swap him for Sneijder if Inter are interested. He'd be a star there.
Perhaps we want to swap him for Sneijder if Inter are interested. He'd be a star there.
There was talk about Newcastle & Stoke wanting him, however it seems as soon as Sunderland pulled out due to his wage demands all other interest has cooled. If he really is looking for £40k a week then I can't imagine many people taking a punt on him.
Was linked with Blackburn this week.
If he really wants 40K a week I think we may struggle to move him on.
Now its a case of flog him for what we can get which is a shame, because he will be a decent premier league player.
Strong words from Fergie there.
They basically published a story from about a week ago and added a new title to it.
yeah, but you can't blame Gibson.
If I applied for a new job, and at the last interview they said "you've got the job but we're offering you less money than we first agreed on " I think I'd tell them to shove it as well.
fecking hell. My hopes were built up that he'd been sold when I saw this thread bumped
My apologies.
Accepted
gibson is in a very tricky situation at this moment. a bid by sunderland, and then the transfer collapse, gibbo was not part of the USA tour, and is nowhere near the first team for yesterday's community shield. the party to blame is sunderland. and i believe sir alex has made his mind up that gibbo is not going to be in his plan anymore after sunderland's interests.
he wasn't that bad at all over the last 2 years for us, a reliable and good 6th choice CM imo. still good enough to play regularly for a mid table premiership team. i hope he can get a new club before the end of this transfer window for the sake of his career.
he wasn't that bad at all over the last 2 years for us, a reliable and good 6th choice CM imo. still good enough to play regularly for a mid table premiership team. i hope he can get a new club before the end of this transfer window for the sake of his career.
Anyone have a pic of Brown and O'Shea in a Sunderland kit?
Darron is a good solid player, with enough about him to turn into a good accomplished footballer at premiership level.
He's not good enough for United. Simples for me really. Though he has shown on occasions what he is capable of.
If he wants to move his career on he needs to play more regular football, he wont here with so many players in front of him.
He's not been involved in the tour, instead playing mostly non league opposition and wasn't in the squad for Sunday. I think, to be honest, that says everything that needs to be said when it comes to Darron and his involvement in first team plans.
I think he really could be a very important player at a Sunderland/Blackburn/Bolton and could really develop into a player capable of directing play from midfield at that level.
He needs confidence restoring, and most of all he needs football week in and week out at this age to reach his potential.
He's not good enough for United. Simples for me really. Though he has shown on occasions what he is capable of.
If he wants to move his career on he needs to play more regular football, he wont here with so many players in front of him.
He's not been involved in the tour, instead playing mostly non league opposition and wasn't in the squad for Sunday. I think, to be honest, that says everything that needs to be said when it comes to Darron and his involvement in first team plans.
I think he really could be a very important player at a Sunderland/Blackburn/Bolton and could really develop into a player capable of directing play from midfield at that level.
He needs confidence restoring, and most of all he needs football week in and week out at this age to reach his potential.
Seems to fall way behind the pecking order after only playing a CL semi last season. Him and PIG to go, with Diouf and Kiko to go on loan.
Bolton should get him, although with their finances screwed, I don't see them buying him.