An opinion yes, but writing him off is not an opinion it's idiotic dross.
Thinking he might not make it isn't wrong, saying he will is.
I think Gibson is mediocre...
But I'd be delighted to be completely wrong come next season or the season after...if he's still around.
The Fletcher comparison is bugging me too.
For one thing, Fletcher was much the brighter prospect when he was a youth team player. At one point, SAF was considering giving him his first-team debut when he was still only 16 years old. Gibson was never this much of a prodigy, not even close.
Unfortunately, Fletcher's development stalled slightly when he picked up some serious injuries then took a while to cope with the physical nature of senior football, due to his slender frame.
Gibson, on the other hand, is already a big, strong young man. He has a massive physical advantage to Fletcher when he was the same age as Gibson is now. This means he can't be expected to improve simply by filling out as he matures(something which you could always see would improve Fletcher massively as a footballer) It's other aspects of his game which need the most work and there's no guarantee they will improve as much as Fletcher's athleticism did over the last 2 or 3 years. Fletcher has apparently recently put on 12kg of muscle but Gibson can't improve his awareness or movement as easily as eating more tuna and lifting a few weights.
I still think it's harsh to write Gibson off completely but it's daft to assume that his development trajectory will match Fletcher's. They're completely different footballers.
The Fletcher comparison is bugging me too.
For one thing, Fletcher was much the brighter prospect when he was a youth team player. At one point, SAF was considering giving him his first-team debut when he was still only 16 years old. Gibson was never this much of a prodigy, not even close.
Unfortunately, Fletcher's development stalled slightly when he picked up some serious injuries then took a while to cope with the physical nature of senior football, due to his slender frame.
Gibson, on the other hand, is already a big, strong young man. He has a massive physical advantage to Fletcher when he was the same age as Gibson is now. This means he can't be expected to improve simply by filling out as he matures(something which you could always see would improve Fletcher massively as a footballer) It's other aspects of his game which need the most work and there's no guarantee they will improve as much as Fletcher's athleticism did over the last 2 or 3 years. Fletcher has apparently recently put on 12kg of muscle but Gibson can't improve his awareness or movement as easily as eating more tuna and lifting a few weights.
I still think it's harsh to write Gibson off completely but it's daft to assume that his development trajectory will match Fletcher's. They're completely different footballers.
The Fletcher comparison is bugging me too.
For one thing, Fletcher was much the brighter prospect when he was a youth team player. At one point, SAF was considering giving him his first-team debut when he was still only 16 years old. Gibson was never this much of a prodigy, not even close.
Unfortunately, Fletcher's development stalled slightly when he picked up some serious injuries then took a while to cope with the physical nature of senior football, due to his slender frame.
Gibson, on the other hand, is already a big, strong young man. He has a massive physical advantage to Fletcher when he was the same age as Gibson is now. This means he can't be expected to improve simply by filling out as he matures(something which you could always see would improve Fletcher massively as a footballer) It's other aspects of his game which need the most work and there's no guarantee they will improve as much as Fletcher's athleticism did over the last 2 or 3 years. Fletcher has apparently recently put on 12kg of muscle but Gibson can't improve his awareness or movement as easily as eating more tuna and lifting a few weights.
I still think it's harsh to write Gibson off completely but it's daft to assume that his development trajectory will match Fletcher's. They're completely different footballers.
Very well put, agreed.The Fletcher comparison is bugging me too.
For one thing, Fletcher was much the brighter prospect when he was a youth team player. At one point, SAF was considering giving him his first-team debut when he was still only 16 years old. Gibson was never this much of a prodigy, not even close.
Unfortunately, Fletcher's development stalled slightly when he picked up some serious injuries then took a while to cope with the physical nature of senior football, due to his slender frame.
Gibson, on the other hand, is already a big, strong young man. He has a massive physical advantage to Fletcher when he was the same age as Gibson is now. This means he can't be expected to improve simply by filling out as he matures(something which you could always see would improve Fletcher massively as a footballer) It's other aspects of his game which need the most work and there's no guarantee they will improve as much as Fletcher's athleticism did over the last 2 or 3 years. Fletcher has apparently recently put on 12kg of muscle but Gibson can't improve his awareness or movement as easily as eating more tuna and lifting a few weights.
I still think it's harsh to write Gibson off completely but it's daft to assume that his development trajectory will match Fletcher's. They're completely different footballers.
I still think it's harsh to write Gibson off completely but it's daft to assume that his development trajectory will match Fletcher's. They're completely different footballers.
I never said it was. I'm just making people aware of the obvious. That they are judging Gibson just as unfairly as they did to Fletcher in the past. When Gibson has played so few games for anyone save for the United coaching staff know definitively how good he could end up.This is not about Darren Fletcher. This is about Darron Gibson. .
No one has said they are the same player. All people have said is some of you should learn to be patient with young players. Rather than writing them off the first chance you get when you see weaknesses in their game. A visit to the Anderson thread should tell you how this is a fecking habit on here to write off young players.I don't know why people keep going on about Fletcher. They are not the same player
I don't get where people keep getting that from really. All people are saying is wait and see how he develops. Rather than coming on here and assuring everyone he has no chance. The Fletcher thing only gets brought up for one reason only. People wrote him, a young player, off too soon. Yet people in here act as if it's a crime to use Flecther's example to tell people to wait and see. It really has feck all to do with Fletcher and Gibson being the same. But everything to do with people to fecking get some perspective when judging young players. Especially center midfielders......
I still think it's harsh to write Gibson off completely but it's daft to assume that his development trajectory will match Fletcher's. They're completely different footballers.
I don't think he will make it at United. Obviously I don't know he won't make it. It's my opinion and this is a forum so I'll give it even if it unpopular to some. I don't blindly think that every player who puts on a red shirt is definitely going to make the grade.
Now, people have said he will definitely make it. That is the same as people saying he definitely won't make it. Nobody knows, but everyone can have an opinion.
Spot on.They're not being compared because they're similar footballers, or that Gibson's going to improve as much as Fletcher has - as far as I can tell no-one thinks either of those things, and for good reason - but it's the simplest way to get it across to people that players can improve beyond your expectations, beyond what potential you've seen, and that patience is often the most important part of being a football fan at times like these.
The line about blindly following players is mildly offensive. I don't know why you're putting a negative spin on fans showing faith in players - that attitude's part of the problem with football fans.
Who's said he definitely will make it?
I'm not putting a negative spin on anything. Just because I said I don't blindly think every player will make it at United, does not mean I'm putting a negative spin on fans showing faith in players. As usual, you are trying to twist things in order to "prove" a point. Also, I don't know how you would get offended at such a statement. If you do, you get offended far too easily.
I don't get where people keep getting that from really. All people are saying is wait and see how he develops. Rather than coming on here and assuring everyone he has no chance. The Fletcher thing only gets brought up for one reason only. People wrote him, a young player, off too soon. Yet people in here act as if it's a crime to use Flecther's example to tell people to wait and see. It really has feck all to do with Fletcher and Gibson being the same. But everything to do with people to fecking get some perspective when judging young players. Especially center midfielders.
It implies you think people who do think Gibson will make it are blindly following him because he plays for us.
Otherwise there'd be no reason to think it never mind mention it.
So what?Considering Fletcher was talked about for years, that is where the expectation came from. People were saying that he was better than Beckham was and that he would be a more than adequate replacement. There is no such talk of Gibson.
The Fletcher and Gibson comparisons are absolutely ridiculous because Fletcher was greatly tipped to make it. If you want to compare Gibson to someone else, the likes of Kieran Richardson or Frazier Campbell would be more apt.
Read through the thread again. You wont fail to find them.By the way, who has assured everybody that Gibson has no chance? I don't recall anyone doing it.
Correct..........
And no, no I don't think his name would be in the transfer forum. I don't think Fletcher's would've been either. Centre mids are hard to judge.
I like Gibson, he gives us a real goal threat in and around the penalty area something that the likes of Fletch, Carrick & Anderson dont so much
His passing still leaves a lot to be desired though, but if he works on that I can easily see him progressing into a top midfielder
Sorry i don't see how Gibson is more of a goal threat than Carrick or Fletcher.
Sorry i don't see how Gibson is more of a goal threat than Carrick or Fletcher.
Gibson has neat technique. Better than Anderson's for sure. However, he's incredibly naive in terms of positional play and decision making... There again, Anderson's not much better.
He's more of a goal threat than Fletcher, definitely. Carrick is a better finisher inside the penalty area, but Gibson is probably more of a threat from range (even if that is only because he takes about 10 shots per game).
I was amongst the few who knew that from the start. The thing is how many in here did so? The majority were writing him off and claiming Fergie was just picking him because he was Scottish, just because of his inconsistencies that all young players,and most especially young midfielders have. Amongst other horrible things they said.Chief, Fletcher had the ability all along..
It's only annoying to people like you who don't remember what Fletcher was really like at 22. I do because I spent a huge chunk of my time on here defending him. He had the ability but couldn't show it regularly due to being young and still maturing physically and tactically. Even in center midfield. The things people pointed out as his failing in the many threads that bashed him at the time were not totally wrong. What was wrong was them blatantly writing him, a young player, off.Gibson doesn't have as much ability and to say he is better than Fletcher(at 22), is a really annoying statement.
I dont see how you dont see how Gibson is more of a goal threat than Carrick or Fletcher
Strange period of 15 minutes when everyone in the side was trying to walk the ball into the net except for Gibson who just decided to shoot whenever he could.
