Danny Welbeck | Manchester United: 2001-2014

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Jev said:
It's about more than that, though. United have always prided themselves in giving our own talents a chance and creating a solid, sustainable foundation for the future. Many United fans have thought of the club with a bit higher moral standard than most other clubs, a club where loyalty is rewarded and works both ways.

Now we're shipping out the brightest talent to have emerged from the Academy in years (pre-Januzaj), to a rival even, and instead we're throwing money around like we're the new Galacticos. And some of us are just wondering, what has happened to my club?
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Ah yes, loyalty. Welbeck has, by all accounts (I have no proof before you ask, but I think we all agree he most likely has) asked for a transfer, or, upon being told he's not automatic first choice, has decided his future lies elsewhere. Second time in a year, no less. Loyalty indeed. Because he's Manchester born, this doesn't matter. When Rooney does it, he's unforgivable in a lot of people's eyes.

Welbeck has had a lot of chances. Louis has been evaluating talent for a long, long time, and he's done a pretty good job at it. Trust him people.

Would you rather "your club" stick with home grown players like Cleverley & Welbeck, when there's an option to bring in better, more talented players, actual superstars, like Falcao and Di Maria? I know which players I'd rather. Yes, United have always been a club to promote youth. And they've done that time and again .. but you don't simply hold on to players when there are better players available. And that's what is happening here.

Danny was given a really good chance. He didn't quite grab it. Good squad player, but didn't want that. Falcao is better. We're improving as a team, regardless of where a player is from.
 
Im red2 said:
IN my opinion Wellbeck is not good enough for a team that would like to become top dogs, so I feel no problem with him leaving. He takes too long to get a shot off and is as slow as fcuk. If you have an ambition for United to have Wellbeck up front then you really need a session at a head examining unit. Van Gaal will make United good again and he has realised that Wellbeck is too slow to be a front player as he needs enough time to be able to read the manufacturers name on the ball. Wellbeck is a produce of Uniteds youth. And he is a good plaer but we need faster thinking players. Our aim is to be the best, and not the almost best.
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They move the around fast enough for him to be a better player.
 
TheGame said:
Why would we waste money buying another striker in a year's time when we had a talented striker from our academy on our books. Keeping throwing money, great solution. We can aspire to be like City maybe.
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Because we'd need a top striker... van Persie's done, in my opinion. Rooney's declining. I give them two years before we need to seriously start moving on from them.
Why wouldn't we buy another striker?
 
Rowem said:
If he was happy to spend his entire career here as 3rd/4th choice striker, the occasional option out wide and the guy we use to for his work-rate and defensive contribution in certain big matches, then it would have been ideal and fantastic if he stayed.

He didn't want that. He's been saying for a couple years he wants to play as a centre forward. He's also dismissed criticism of his finishing, adamant that he deserves to be starting upfront through the middle. So, it's best if he moves. He'd never be a centre forward for us.

I also have to assume we have no strong intention to play a 433 - otherwise we surely would have kept Welbeck as he'd potentially earn a starting place as a wide forward. So, we've got to assume that we're looking at playing a midfield diamond...
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Another reason to regret this transfer, if so.
 
Im red2 said:
IN my opinion Wellbeck is not good enough for a team that would like to become top dogs, so I feel no problem with him leaving. He takes too long to get a shot off and is as slow as fcuk. If you have an ambition for United to have Wellbeck up front then you really need a session at a head examining unit. Van Gaal will make United good again and he has realised that Wellbeck is too slow to be a front player as he needs enough time to be able to read the manufacturers name on the ball. Wellbeck is a produce of Uniteds youth. And he is a good plaer but we need faster thinking players. Our aim is to be the best, and not the almost best.
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This has got be a WUM?
 
Gutted he's going. Also think we've sold for far too cheap for a young English forward. Should be commanding £20mil in my opinion, or at least closer to it... but that's neither hear nor there.

Ultimately, I think we'll regret letting him leave.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
Why did that have to be the choice? Hernandez was always going to leave but Welbeck didn't have to. If one had to go we should've got rid of Van Persie who's 31, been shite for a year and doesn't seem to give a monkeys.
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Van Persie got 18 goals in 28 games last season. Welbeck dreams of being that shite.
 
£16m to Arsenal is a mistake.

Not a huge mistake, but a bad sale nonetheless.

He shouldn't have been allowed to move to a top four rival without them paying a huge Lukaku-esque premium.
 
Im red2 said:
IN my opinion Wellbeck is not good enough for a team that would like to become top dogs, so I feel no problem with him leaving. He takes too long to get a shot off and is as slow as fcuk. If you have an ambition for United to have Wellbeck up front then you really need a session at a head examining unit. Van Gaal will make United good again and he has realised that Wellbeck is too slow to be a front player as he needs enough time to be able to read the manufacturers name on the ball. Wellbeck is a produce of Uniteds youth. And he is a good plaer but we need faster thinking players. Our aim is to be the best, and not the almost best.
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Welbeck is anything BUT slow. If would go as far as saying he's our quickest player bar Di Maria.
 
TheGame said:
Welbeck is still only 24, he's never been given a decent shot up front. No point saying he has plenty of time blah blah blah when we spend big money on players, they will expect game time.
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Rooney/Falcao/RVP are 29/29/30 years old respectively. Buy the time Wilson is 21-22 years old, he will be ready (maybe had a year loan) and our striker's form would of decreased, Wilson would take his chance. Welbeck's situation meant Rooney/RVP will always be in front of him.
 
dirkey said:
Do you honestly think Louis isn't aware of Danny's majestic 6 in 6 last season? Do you think he hasn't even remotely watched our games from last year? Or spoken to Giggs? Of course he knows about it. He juts knows that Falcao is far better, and perhaps he also thinks that Wilson is worth time too.
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Falcao is world class obviously. We have the best striker in the league on paper without him even kicking a ball. I feel Welbeck had more to offer United, and with RVP being 31 and injury prone I figured its just a matter of a season before Welbeck got a real run in the team as a CF. Whats happening right now is happening because we have to win the title or get back into the top four at all costs. There's no consideration of the short term future because in 2 seasons we're going to need more strikers. I doubt Wilson is even in the frame right now. Good luck to Welbeck, I kind of hope he doesnt do a Sturridge because that will hurt.
 
Speak said:
Because we'd need a top striker... van Persie's done, in my opinion. Rooney's declining. I give them two years before we need to seriously start moving on from them.
Why wouldn't we buy another striker?
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But we've just signed a striker who is near their age, if you stick to your argument, he will start declining in a couple of years and even more so, if as you say, Rooney and RVP are declining, why haven't we kept one of our best prospects?
 
mazhar13 said:
I doubt many would be disappointed that we've upgraded on Welbeck with Falcao and another forward who can provide us with instant quality up front. The main issue here is that whether this extra instant quality up front was really necessary when we already have van Persie and Rooney providing that. Plus, in 2-3 years time, we'll have 3 strikers in their 30's with only Wilson ready to step up.

I don't know if sacrificing the future for the present again will be worth it, overall, particularly when the upgrade is done in an area where we're well-stocked.
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Not quite.
3 strikers in their 30s, Wilson stepping up and a feck ton of cash to buy anyone else we need.

We need to get back into the champions league ASAP, Danny Welbeck is not going to score enough goals to do that this season, next season, any other season.

Looking at it dispassionately, we don't have time to feck around waiting for him to find his shooting boots, he's one of the casualties of the rebuilding process.
 
Speak said:
Because we'd need a top striker... van Persie's done, in my opinion. Rooney's declining. I give them two years before we need to seriously start moving on from them.
Why wouldn't we buy another striker?
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All the more reason to NOT sell Welbeck then.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
Why did that have to be the choice? Hernandez was always going to leave but Welbeck didn't have to. If one had to go we should've got rid of Van Persie who's 31, been shite for a year and doesn't seem to give a monkeys.
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Ah yes. The same Robin Van Persie who scored 12 goals in the league last year, an injury hit season in which he only played 21 games? Better than a goal every other game? Yep, pure shite. The goal monster Welbeck got a mighty 9 in 25 by the way. And yes, I know Welbeck didn't always play up front. Same Robin Van Persie who starred in a team which made the WC semi finals, despite not being favoured, under a manager who clearly knows how to get the best out of him? Love it. Rational.
 
That Arsenal squad is the most exciting in the league. Wenger has taken his time but gone about assembling it in the right way. It's telling that he believes Danny can be a part of that set up whereas this club is happy to wave goodbye to him.

He'll be better off there and playing Champions League football. No need for him to leave with a heavy heart.
 
FFS some of the reactions on this thread. We've lost far better players in the past and still gone on to win things.

mufcwarm92 said:
Why did that have to be the choice? Hernandez was always going to leave but Welbeck didn't have to. If one had to go we should've got rid of Van Persie who's 31, been shite for a year and doesn't seem to give a monkeys.
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Nah.
 
I have a soft spot for our academy players, especially those who have been with us as long as Welbeck.

His partnership with Rooney was excellent, I wonder if things might have gone differently for him had we won the league the season he started.

I wish him all the best, as long as we beat Arsenal.
 
Jev said:
It's about more than that, though. United have always prided themselves in giving our own talents a chance and creating a solid, sustainable foundation for the future. Many United fans have thought of the club with a bit higher moral standard than most other clubs, a club where loyalty is rewarded and works both ways.
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If some united fans think we have a higher moral standard than other clubs then they are wrong. We don't.

It's easy to talk about the club being loyal to youth products when they are of the calibre of Scholes and Giggs; there was no such 'loyalty' for Phil Neville or Nicky Butt. Talent is ultimately the defining factor, not some innate loyalty. You have to be good enough and if Van Gaal doesn't think Welbeck is then that's that. We'd all have preferred that not to be the case (or at the very least for him to have went somewhere more palatable) but there's nothing we can do.
 
Judge Red said:
That Arsenal squad is the most exciting in the league. Wenger has taken his time but gone about assembling it in the right way. It's telling that he believes Danny can be a part of that set up whereas this club is happy to wave goodbye to him.

He'll be better off there and playing Champions League football. No need for him to leave with a heavy heart.
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You havent seen Chelsea/Liverpool's yet I guess.
 
DeMono said:
Rooney/Falcao/RVP are 29/29/30 years old respectively. Buy the time Wilson is 21-22 years old, he will be ready (maybe had a year loan) and our striker's form would of decreased, Wilson would take his chance. Welbeck's situation meant Rooney/RVP will always be in front of him.
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So who's going to get dropped out of the new 3 strikers, presumably Falcao is happy sitting on the bench? We have no Champions League and are already out of 1 cup. Rooney has got to be one of the most overrated players ever. You may be optimistic Wilson will be given a chance, I am less so, when the time comes, we'll end up buying someone else.
 
Wilson does have the potential to be twice as good as Welbeck, not even hyperbole.
 
Well, a loan would have been preferable in case he finally had a breakthrough season, but with Falcao here and the change of formation he didn't have a chance.
 
Fergie would never have sold him. He would've got his chance up front last year with Rooney gone. Shame.
 
TheGame said:
So who's going to get dropped out of the new 3 strikers, presumably Falcao is happy sitting on the bench? We have no Champions League and are already out of 1 cup. Rooney has got to be one of the most overrated players ever. You may be optimistic Wilson will be given a chance, I am less so, when the time comes, we'll end up buying someone else.
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In the next few years: Rooney will drop to a CM. RVP will be too old to compete (already has more grey hairs than Ryan Giggs). Falacao will compete with Wilson?

I don't know, but the future is unpredictable.
 
Eila said:
Well, a loan would have been preferable in case he finally had a breakthrough season, but with Falcao here and the change of formation he didn't have a chance.
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Breakthrough season? :confused: Scoring 10 goals in 40 matches for a forward/winger?
 
Life goes on. He's not the first fan favourite to leave and won't be the last.

I love Danny, don't think I've ever wanted to see a player succeed more, but we haven't been able to rely on him as a striker at our club. At no time has he consistently done it for us.

For those who like the romance and the pride of young players coming through, Wilson walks straight into Welbeck's place and will see further promotion as RvP is phased out. Just a shame we lack the matches to give him a real go this season.

This is a calculated gamble by Van Gaal. Let's see how it pans out.
 
remember a time when Arse didn't have any British players

With welbeck they could field a team with 7

Debuchy Chambers Koscielny Gibbs
.......Wilserre.... Ramsey
....................Ozil
Walcott.........Welbeck.....OX
 
Judge Red said:
That Arsenal squad is the most exciting in the league. Wenger has taken his time but gone about assembling it in the right way. It's telling that he believes Danny can be a part of that set up whereas this club is happy to wave goodbye to him.

He'll be better off there and playing Champions League football. No need for him to leave with a heavy heart.
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We have been saying that since 2007, haven't we? Arsenal would make you think they are doing something with the youths until they start selling them off like a sack of potatoes.

The Arsenal squad of 07/08 that gave us a run for our money would have ruled Europe had Wenger kept them. As far as exciting football goes, they were even better than the INVINCIBLES that went unbeaten for a full season.

Eduardo's injury & Gallas meltdown did them in & they collapsed afterwards. What Wenger should have done was keep the bulk of them and add 2-4 more bodies, but Wenger messed it up & dismantled that squad.

In the next 2 seasons, half of the players in the current team would be gone.
 
I think he has fantastic footballing abilities, passing, insane speed, dribbling. He got everything you could wish for in a striker. Except he has the finesse of a defender and doesn't score. Hes pretty much all of Arsenals problems combined in one player.

Have fun with him.
 
starman said:
remember a time when Arse didn't have any British players

With welbeck they could field a team with 7

Debuchy Chambers Koscielny Gibbs
.......Wilserre.... Ramsey
....................Ozil
Walcott.........Welbeck.....OX
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They have a great British core, best in the league by a mile.
 
Hannibal said:
We have been saying that since 2007, haven't we? Arsenal would make you think they are doing something with the youths until they start selling them off like a sack of potatoes.

The Arsenal squad of 07/08 that gave us a run for our money would have ruled Europe had Wenger kept them. As far as exciting football goes, they were even better than the INVINCIBLES that went unbeaten for a full season.

Eduardo's injury & Gallas meltdown did them in & they collapsed afterwards. What Wenger should have done was keep the bulk of them and add 2-4 more bodies, but Wenger messed it up & dismantled that squad.

In the next 2 seasons, half of the players in the current team would be gone.
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Is that a joke?
 
Shame tough i actually really wanted to see Lukaku/Welbeck up front for Everton. Seemed like a great duo for a sub top.
 
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