Danny Welbeck | Manchester United: 2001-2014

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The reaction to this welbeck news has been ridiculous. He's got two much better players ahead of him, and he'd at the age where he probably needs to be first choice to accelerate his development. And it's not as if he's go the potential of someone like Januzaj either, so it's a "must keep". You'd think this is iniesta or messi leaving given the reactions here.

And even more relevant, people seem to be adamant in focusing on the clubs decision (if they've made one) forgetting that welbeck could be the one who wants out. If he does, and wants to play week in week out what can you do?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
The reaction to this welbeck news has been ridiculous. He's got two much better players ahead of him, and he'd at the age where he probably needs to be first choice to accelerate his development. And it's not as if he's go the potential of someone like Januzaj either, so it's a "must keep". You'd think this is iniesta or messi leaving given the reactions here.

And even more relevant, people seem to be adamant in focusing on the clubs decision (if they've made one) forgetting that welbeck could be the one who wants out. If he does, and wants to play week in week out what can you do?
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Spot on.
 
JSMHE said:
He scored 12 goals 3 years ago and 10 goals last season. And he could score even more last season if he gets more games which he deserves. Sir Alex Ferguson dared to play him ahead of Rooney so many times. Surely why can't he expect it happens again as long as the new manager is being fair and have faith in him more
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When people say "scored x amount of goals" the term of reference is ALWAYS league goals.

League goals are the only real measure of a players consistency as you are playing week in week out against teams you are roughly competitive with, and not counting goals scored against Lincoln City and FC Red Bull Satlzberg in the cups.
 
Ducklegs said:
When people say "scored x amount of goals" the term of reference is ALWAYS league goals.

League goals are the only real measure of a players consistency as you are playing week in week out against teams you are roughly competitive with, and not counting goals scored against Lincoln City and FC Red Bull Satlzberg in the cups.
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Welbeck scored 9 in 9 when playing forward while van Persie and Rooney were injured. And that was in continouos matches.
 
MTR said:
Welbeck scored 9 in 9 when playing forward while van Persie and Rooney were injured. And that was in continouos matches.
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Great!

What's that got to do with what I said?
 
I don't know what to think about Welbeck. But I also struggle to see Rooney & RVP doing much more than this season and the next one.

I might sell all of them if it was up to me. More sensibly, if we think Wilson is the 'real deal' we might as well get him playing while we sort the MF & defence out.

And panic, cos atm, unless practically everyone is fit we always seem to look unbalanced in some way or other.
 
Kaos said:
With Di Maria looking likely I think that pretty much means Danny is off.
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Yep, I'd agree. But the attacking options of Rooney, van Persie, Mata, di Maria, Januzaj and Wilson should be a fantastic selection to choose from. With all respect to Welbeck, I couldn't see him breaking out from being a squad player here. I'd be happy if he stayed to be just that, but I'm not sure he'd see it that way.
 
Kaos said:
With Di Maria looking likely I think that pretty much means Danny is off.
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The signing has no impact of the club decision to sell Welbeck. It is more likely that Valencia, young, Januzaj or Kagawa will be affected. Welbeck wants to leave because he does not want to be United third choice striker. I do not understand how Di Maria starting in a wide role would affect a central player like Welbeck.
 
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Reckon we should loan him rather than sell him, let go to a team where he is the main guy and see how he does.
 
City, Chelsea & Liverpool wouldn't be interesting in offering him a starting position.

Arsenal might be interested but i would guess he would be swapping the backup striker role at United with the backup striker role at Arsenal!

So that rules out every club in England that can realistically win something each year.

Tottenham would be the next on the list and i think that would be the best move Welbeck could hope for.
 
If he leaves I won't feel sad, I won't feel happy, I'll feel nothing. Apart from a few special cases (Giggs, Scholes etc etc), I never attach myself to a player from the team and since Danny isn't even that good then it is what it is. Good luck to him if he goes.
 
Is it fair to say that the imminent signing of Angel Di Maria was the reason we've told Danny he can leave? The only other position he was touted to play was as a winger and with our new star man arriving it was going to be impossible for Danny to get game time during his most important years.
 
The Red Thinker said:
Is it fair to say that the imminent signing of Angel Di Maria was the reason we've told Danny he can leave? The only other position he was touted to play was as a winger and with our new star man arriving it was going to be impossible for Danny to get game time during his most important years.
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It's definitely possible. With Di Maria coming in, he's a definite starter and one less position Welbeck can vouch for.
 
The Red Thinker said:
Is it fair to say that the imminent signing of Angel Di Maria was the reason we've told Danny he can leave? The only other position he was touted to play was as a winger and with our new star man arriving it was going to be impossible for Danny to get game time during his most important years.
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I'm still going to stick with Welbeck himself asking to leave. He wanted to leave last season allegedly after not being first choice or playing as a striker, and he'll get even less time up front this season. Buying Di Maria switches us to a 4-3-3, and those front 3 positions we have Di Maria, Januzaj, Rooney and Van Persie, and Mata/Kagawa if need be. Welbeck was realistically only competing for the striker spot and he's 3rd in line there, and without Champions league football, I think he's just not going to play much.
 
If signing di Maria has implications on Welbecks future, it must mean LvG intends to use him in the Robben role or as a supporting attacker. Quite disappointing if so, because Welbeck is still an important player for us and I still think he will and should get plenty of gametime - possibly at the expense of van Persie. Plus, there are four or five attacking players that should all go before Welbeck.
 
Loan him, don't sell him. That is just stupid. If we loan him and he does incredible there then Van Gaal will have to consider him next season.

15 million is dirt cheap anyway in today's market. But I don't want him gone at all, he's a very very useful player.
 
MUFCpiffgawd said:
why tottenham of all places....
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Pochettino is a decent manager and there's not much striking competition.

Welbeck
Lamela - Eriksen - Townsend(?)
Doesn't look bad at all. If it clicks, they'd have a nice front four.
 
They do have Soldado, Adebayor and Kane as well for 1 spot.

He can play the Rodriguez role in Pochettino's high pressing system wide left though and do it well. But i thought he wanted to play as a striker in which case Arsenal is the best fit.

We probably won't sell to either Spuds or Arsenal though.
 
I think Welbeck has a lot to offer us. I view him as our new Park, where he's a squad player, but he usually comes in and does what's required and always gives maximum effort. Unfortunately it's not the role he probably wants, although you could make a valid argument that's the role his ability currently warrants.

I know people are worried that he may turn out like Sturridge, but once a red, always a red and there's always the option of buying him back albeit for a lot of money. That's why we need to keep him away from our rivals abd especially Tottenham. And we'll be lucky in the sense that if United, City and Chelsea go in for him, we'd probably win which isn't typically the case.
 
Glanville95 said:
If signing di Maria has implications on Welbecks future, it must mean LvG intends to use him in the Robben role or as a supporting attacker. Quite disappointing if so, because Welbeck is still an important player for us and I still think he will and should get plenty of gametime - possibly at the expense of van Persie. Plus, there are four or five attacking players that should all go before Welbeck.
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If that is the case, what does that mean for the trio of Van Persie, Rooney and Mata? It seems that would affect them moreso than Welbeck. If it is a case of being a supporting striker, it would also affect Januzaj, unless Van Gaal plans to drop one of trio mentioned.

Nevertheless, I believe leaving United is the right career choice for Welbeck. Especially if the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and Everton are interested. Could you imagine where Sturridge would be if he stayed at Chelsea and said he was happy to play behind Drogba or Torres? Welbeck is a talented player and he should not be playing as our third choice striker when he knows he can make United perform better when he starts.

I personally hope he goes to Arsenal because they play beautiful football which would suit Welbeck style of play. Moreover, they are one of the teams alongside Manchester city that can be a joy to watch in the bpl. However, it would most likely be Spurs or everton. Both clubs are managed by good upcoming coaches, so he might make a name for himself at those clubs.
 
Ducklegs said:
When people say "scored x amount of goals" the term of reference is ALWAYS league goals.

League goals are the only real measure of a players consistency as you are playing week in week out against teams you are roughly competitive with, and not counting goals scored against Lincoln City and FC Red Bull Satlzberg in the cups.
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That's the main problem and the main reason why we are not counting the league goals only for this guy. He's not even playing week in week out.
 
I wish he is going to try another season to fight for his place. Last season was really unfair for him even after top and consistent performance he showed. But that was different manager. LVG seems trust Rooney so much due the captain choice which is probably dropping Welbeck's confidence.
 
Amadaeus said:
The signing has no impact of the club decision to sell Welbeck. It is more likely that Valencia, young, Januzaj or Kagawa will be affected. Welbeck wants to leave because he does not want to be United third choice striker. I do not understand how Di Maria starting in a wide role would affect a central player like Welbeck.
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Problem would be with Di Maria coming in, the squad will most probably change to the 4-3-3 so RvP up front with Rooney and Di Maria flanking with Januzaj and Young subbing if needed and Rooney moving up front when RvP comes off.

In this case I think I would prefer Welbeck over Young on the left but LvG must think Young offers something more than Welbeck.

In case we stick with the 3-5-2, it would seem weird because if RvP gets injured, Welbeck would have been the ideal partner with Rooney unless LvG wants to play Di Maria up front which I don't see. So it is a bit weird especially if the team is going to stay with the 3-5-2 format that LvG is touting. In this case if RvP and Rooney play up front does it mean Mata plays as 10 with Di Maria playing the 7(his supposed shirt number) and has to play as the right wing back(RWB) or will he play in the 10 position and Mata gets dropped with Rafa, Valencia or Januzaj as RWB.

It would also make sense if the format changes to a 4-1-3-2 as Rooney, RvP upfront, Di Maria, Mata, Januzaj(Young) in mid and Carrick(Herrera) as Def Mid in front of the back four.

This 4-1-3-2 would most probably be our strongest format with all the bought/talented players.

All these formats other than the 3-5-2 would leave Danny in no position to be used if subs are needed. So I can see why Danny has been told that he can leave.

I would still prefer him over Young though. But as I said, LvG must see something in Young that he feels Danny is surplus.
 
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Wait, if both Hernandez and Welbeck are on their way - surely we'd bring in another striker? RvP, Rooney and Wilson is a bit thin I think.

Then again, we'll only play 40 odd games this season, so it might just be worth the "risk".
 
Amadaeus said:
The signing has no impact of the club decision to sell Welbeck. It is more likely that Valencia, young, Januzaj or Kagawa will be affected. Welbeck wants to leave because he does not want to be United third choice striker. I do not understand how Di Maria starting in a wide role would affect a central player like Welbeck.
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Of course it would if it means that we're shifting to a 433. That would leave us with only one spot for strikers and therefore cut any chance for him as the 3rd striker, in half. If we play with 2 strikers then he'll probably be the first one in when one of the regular strikers are rotated, injured or subbed. Also, Welbeck has a much better chance of playing when he's supporting a more dependable goalscorer as he himself quite frankly isn't. If he were to be our main/lone striker he'd have to be able to consistently get us goals, whether he has this ability is debatable. This is even more important since we in recent times have relied very heavily on our strikers to score our goals, and unless more goals are going to start coming from midfield and/or wings you'd have to question if Danny's capable of carrying that burden by himself if need be. There's a chance that he could get time as a wide striker which I would welcome as we're short on quality wide players and I don't think that Januzaj can be relied on to start every game yet. The question though is if van Gaal thinks that he's suited for that role and if he himself would accept it.
 
Compare Welbeck with Drogba at their ages and you get very similar statistics. I didnt see Drogba before his last season with Marseille but that was his real breakout season and it came at the age Welbeck will be in November. Even then Drogba wasnt really prolific until his late 20s/early 30s. Drogba broke the 30 goal barrier twice for Chelsea but in no other season did he even score 20 goals.
I have thought for a long time Drogba and Welbeck could be very similar. Physically they are similar and in terms of statistics Welbeck isnt far off Drogba at the same age. The thing that worries me about Welbeck really pushing on from now is his lack of minutes as a central striker over the last few years. Maybe he can use his experience on the wing and push on but its no substitute for cold hard minutes up front.
 
If we are going to play 4-3-3, as is increasingly likely, I think Welbeck should leave. With 3-5-2 he would've got a lot more chances. I love him, and wish he could stay with us his whole career, but him staying will really be at the detriment of his career because he won't play enough. He's shit out wide and nothing more than a defensive winger, I can hardly recall a goal he's created from that position. He needs to play through the middle. For his own sake he should pick a good stable club where he knows he'll be the main man, and go and prove to everyone what a great player he can become under the right circumstances. For a player of his calibre, he's already sat on the bench enough for two careers.
 
Bubz27 said:
Compare Welbeck with Drogba at their ages and you get very similar statistics. I didnt see Drogba before his last season with Marseille but that was his real breakout season and it came at the age Welbeck will be in November. Even then Drogba wasnt really prolific until his late 20s/early 30s. Drogba broke the 30 goal barrier twice for Chelsea but in no other season did he even score 20 goals.
I have thought for a long time Drogba and Welbeck could be very similar. Physically they are similar and in terms of statistics Welbeck isnt far off Drogba at the same age. The thing that worries me about Welbeck really pushing on from now is his lack of minutes as a central striker over the last few years. Maybe he can use his experience on the wing and push on but its no substitute for cold hard minutes up front.
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Strange comparison to make. Drogba started his career late. Welbeck started with us at 8 and had better football training. If Drogba was with us at 8 then he would have been world class earlier.

Drogba is also a big physical presence, which Welbeck has shown nothing like.
 
You have to remember what LVG has said. He's talked to players and been honest about how often they'll play.

If we buy Di Maria with the intention to use his pace up front, that means Di Maria, Rooney and RVP all battling for 2 places and everyone else picking up the scraps.

Welbeck may not want 8-10 league starts this season. He might want to be starting every week to solidify his England place and establish himself as one of the better strikers in the league. Whereas someone like Wilson would love to play that backup role and get a couple of games, or maybe we'd replace Welbeck with someone who knows he's coming in for a squad role to cover the injuries of the others and get some cup games or whatever.

I'm sure if Welbeck himself wanted to play that role we'd keep him. If he doesn't? Well he's not good enough to force Rooney, RVP and Di Maria down the pecking order so his future may be elsewhere
 
Really don't want Welbeck to be sold. Chicharito should be the one out, an astoundingly limited player. Welbeck can play everywhere in the final third. Let him compete with Januzaj for the wing spot.
 
Loan him for a season and see how he fares as a main striker. RvP ain't going to lead the line in 2-3seasons time so it would be a long term solution to not sell him. But young James Wilson do look a lot more promising to me.
 
Treble said:
Welbeck has a number of qualities: pace, power, great work rate, good first touch, generally good on the ball. And he is a local lad.

He has some significant weaknesses though, apart from not being particularly prolific. Like a lot of other British footballers, intelligence isn't his strongest quality. That's my impression at least, might be wrong about that. Add to that that he seems to be a bit fragile mentally wise and you could see how a player with such a good mixture of qualities struggles to become an important player at United.

I trust LvG's decision on that matter. If he thinks that Welbeck isn't that important to the team, then Danny is free to sign with another club if the fee is good for us. It could be important for his career to play regularly as the main man up front.​
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You are definitely wrong with his intelligence.
 
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