The signing of RVP stopped Danny from progessing and stunted Kagawa's progress as well.
Danny Welbeck | Manchester United: 2001-2014
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It will be sad if Danny goes because he is a fan, he cares about the club. There are too many in the side who care about United because it is good on the cv, the money is good. Not sure if some of them are heartbroken when we lose.
people should stop comparing him to hernandez. It is like comparing Mata and Kagawa. He is obviously a better player and his potential is higher as well. I would certainly want to know what was discussed with van Gaal that day. We can only think it through but I can't imagine there was a transfer request. Danny loves the club. The season just started. If he wanted more game time which he deserves he could wait to go out after this season. Van Gaal probably told him to be patient and that he counts with him but that he needed to understand that he had to beat Rooney and RVP to that position. Before the season started I thought he would be brilliant in 4-3-3 as wide striker, would have pretty much free wing role in terms of attacking unlike under Moyes when he played sorta "defensive" winger. He would be a great left striker for us if he didnt started ahead of RVP/Rooney.. I also think that if we had capable midfielders around him and played up front, he could bang easily 25 goals and contributed greatly to the team. Van Gaal has the balls to do it but the problem is decilning Rooney and also van Persie in his thirties will not be better. But I just cant help it I like and prefer pacey attackers, poacher is a great word for a goalsscoring striker who can do just that and "nothing" else.. I like all round strikers and one of the attribute is also the pace. Henry was one of the ever greatest and yeah Ruud. I think Welbeck is not and maybe won't never be as good finisher as them but his allround game is quite comparable to Henry (by no means I think he is better player) I also mentioned Ruud because he came to my mind altho he isnt as good example as Henry.. nevermind I think Welbeck is one step from being won't say world class which is obivously exaggerating but say leagues best striker but he has to be played in Striker role for 38 matches, stay FIT and play in a good system with good working midfield.. He is so underated in terms of creating chances for hi and his teammates, he is capable to create so much chances because he is so allround player. So many people forget that other strikers couldn't get into those chances and yet they judge him after he waste some of his chances even they may be only half chances. He is anyway decent finisher but won't prove it and won't get better if not given chance up front in competent team under competent manager. He has the competent manager the team and the system will be soon well established and he would fit in it well but the question is if he gets the chances and could tay fit? Thats is maybe the reason why he could ever ask to leave because he needs to play as striker in every match to get better as player. But I still doenst see him going he is rough diamond and too valuable for us to go..
I'll uppercut a kitten if Danny leaves! 
I pretty sure the club haven't told Danny they don't want him! Or that they want to Get Rid and sell him.
Most arguments for keeping him are for what happens when RVP gets injured!
Which says a lot about Welbecks situation, he is not first choice and not many United fans would pick him as first choice!
LVG has the same opinion (rightly so) and I expect that is not good enough for Welbeck so the club won't stand in his way if he decides to leave.
The same will have been said to Hernandez and many other squad players, so if Welbeck leaves then good luck to him, but it is not United that are pushing him out the door imo.
Most arguments for keeping him are for what happens when RVP gets injured!
Which says a lot about Welbecks situation, he is not first choice and not many United fans would pick him as first choice!
LVG has the same opinion (rightly so) and I expect that is not good enough for Welbeck so the club won't stand in his way if he decides to leave.
The same will have been said to Hernandez and many other squad players, so if Welbeck leaves then good luck to him, but it is not United that are pushing him out the door imo.
I think this is the likely scenario. If Danny wants to go what can we do. Sad if it happens but good luck to him.
True. And Van Persie is a brilliant player whose signing was instrumental in winning a title. You wouldn't give up on that. But it does goes to show just hard to it to find the balance between high level success and also nurturing young talent. If they are not quick developers or at least come back from loans nearly ready, it'll be very hard for them to find their place in a team that's desperate for success.
I hope he doesn't go, think he's got the potential to be a good first teamer and he's already a useful squad member. But I don't think he's progressed enough in recent seasons.
I did worry when RVP signed that it would inhibit Welbeck but I personally think he's been his own stumbling block and that both he and Clev to varying degree's suffer from the same problem which is that neither takes enough responsibility in the team to make things happen. Welbeck with his strength, pace and technical ability should be a big threat running inside from wide, bursting forward with the ball etc but he doesn't do that and I think it's just part of his mentality which is a hard thing to change at this stage.
Without doing that I don't think he'll push on and that's got nothing to do with RVP. He's had plenty of opportunity to develop himself as a wide forward and not taken them. He's shown he can do a defensive job but that's not what we need in most games, he hasn't developed his attacking game enough.
But I would prefer he stay but it depends if he's up for the fight. At the moment he's firmly behind RVP/Rooney and he's not developed his game to establish himself in the team in another position. We don't know whether he thinks he should be a first teamer and LVG doesn't or if LVG just doesn't rate him, personally I reckon its the former. Hopefully we can try a loan rather than sell him but maybe he thinks he needs to go soemwhere new.
I did worry when RVP signed that it would inhibit Welbeck but I personally think he's been his own stumbling block and that both he and Clev to varying degree's suffer from the same problem which is that neither takes enough responsibility in the team to make things happen. Welbeck with his strength, pace and technical ability should be a big threat running inside from wide, bursting forward with the ball etc but he doesn't do that and I think it's just part of his mentality which is a hard thing to change at this stage.
Without doing that I don't think he'll push on and that's got nothing to do with RVP. He's had plenty of opportunity to develop himself as a wide forward and not taken them. He's shown he can do a defensive job but that's not what we need in most games, he hasn't developed his attacking game enough.
But I would prefer he stay but it depends if he's up for the fight. At the moment he's firmly behind RVP/Rooney and he's not developed his game to establish himself in the team in another position. We don't know whether he thinks he should be a first teamer and LVG doesn't or if LVG just doesn't rate him, personally I reckon its the former. Hopefully we can try a loan rather than sell him but maybe he thinks he needs to go soemwhere new.
I think the situation is this:
Last year Danny was disillusioned with life under Moyes and seriously started looking for a new club.
Van Gaal came in and he decided to stick around and see if it will be any different for him now.
Van Gaal had a chat with him about his position at the club and the conclusion was that he was behind Rooney and Van Persie in the pecking order for two striker spots. He'll be first choice if either is injured and he'll be a very useful substitute however there is a good chance we will be looking to play 4-3-3 quite often too and in that situation he is 3rd striker for one position.
Danny has had a think about things and as he's nearly 24 he thinks it is time for himself to be first choice and starting 40 games a season and he knows that isn't realistic at United so he's looking to a club that he can achieve that.
Last year Danny was disillusioned with life under Moyes and seriously started looking for a new club.
Van Gaal came in and he decided to stick around and see if it will be any different for him now.
Van Gaal had a chat with him about his position at the club and the conclusion was that he was behind Rooney and Van Persie in the pecking order for two striker spots. He'll be first choice if either is injured and he'll be a very useful substitute however there is a good chance we will be looking to play 4-3-3 quite often too and in that situation he is 3rd striker for one position.
Danny has had a think about things and as he's nearly 24 he thinks it is time for himself to be first choice and starting 40 games a season and he knows that isn't realistic at United so he's looking to a club that he can achieve that.
As an Englishman nothing would please me more than to see Welbeck fulfill his potential and truly become a top class striker.
But the fact of the matter is he hasn't developed to the level we all expected him too over the last few years, and maybe it is time for him to move on.
But the fact of the matter is he hasn't developed to the level we all expected him too over the last few years, and maybe it is time for him to move on.
I think his development has been more down to circumstances than talent. There has always been someone in front of him. RVP coming in when he may have been ready to step up. If Danny moves it will open a space for James Wilson and it will be up to him to take the opportunity. Too many of the kids don't. It isn't always that they don't get given the places in the team, but they either freeze and regress or think they have made it and don't get better.
The story now includes the possibility of him going on loan, personally I want him to stay as part of the squad for the season but it may be a compromise that is best long term.
We should make a transfer thread for him or a separate thread. Shouldn't this be about his performances?
He is on his way out
That makes far to much sense! get out of here @Pexbo
Mark my words, if we let Welbeck go and he becomes a regular starter, he will pull a Sturridge, if not even better as his link up play/ball control etc is better than Studges.
Would be a huge mistake letting him go.
My theory is maybe Van Gaal is deliberately not killing the rumour to put the smoke up Welbz to get him to be more hungry and fight more and fight his way into the team, we can all dream right????
Would be a huge mistake letting him go.
My theory is maybe Van Gaal is deliberately not killing the rumour to put the smoke up Welbz to get him to be more hungry and fight more and fight his way into the team, we can all dream right????
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That sounds logical.
Kind of surprised if he's leaving, but like others say it makes sense. As much as I like him, I'm not sure he's ever going to be more than a very good squad player for us, however if he moves to another club then he could be their regular striker and that may help his development in the long run. I'd be surprised if we just want to get rid of him since he's a handy player to have, even if he's not starting.
Common sense but you could apply that every top player in every team in the world. The idea is about keeping players happy. I can't remember the last first team player who left to play football? It speaks absolute volumes of the demise of the club. Everything coming out this club at the moment is not good.
He may be a first team player, but he's not first choice and is going to struggle to be so. I think that might have had an impact on his eventual decision.
If Di Maria actually comes, then he could be used in the Robben role as one of the two in the 3-5-2. That means less opportunities for Welbeck.
If we move to a 4-3-3, then there are Rooney and RVP ahead of him.
I think that the Di Maria and Welbeck stories are not unrelated.
If we move to a 4-3-3, then there are Rooney and RVP ahead of him.
I think that the Di Maria and Welbeck stories are not unrelated.
If he wants regular football as a striker, we should send him on loan. I reckon one season up-front is all he needs to improve his composure. I don't want us to sell him.
I know that but this represents something different. Don't you think they have the same issues around the top 4 teams or how did we manage it when we won the treble? Danny is a good player and we should be giving him assurances that the best players in form will start. We have zero pace up front and Danny is a big reason we had a good preseason.....
Surely he cannot expect to play ahead of Rooney or RVP. He's a good player, but he never scored more than 10 goals in a year in his career, I'm sorry, but those two are twice the players he is.
I'd prefer him to stay, but if he leaves I don't think it will be a problem, it will only free up more playing time for Januzaj and Wilson.
I'd prefer him to stay, but if he leaves I don't think it will be a problem, it will only free up more playing time for Januzaj and Wilson.
He scored 12 goals 3 years ago and 10 goals last season. And he could score even more last season if he gets more games which he deserves. Sir Alex Ferguson dared to play him ahead of Rooney so many times. Surely why can't he expect it happens again as long as the new manager is being fair and have faith in him more
Rooney is a better player, that's why.
It's unfortunately all just part of the game. Welbeck can stay here another decade, & never reach those heights or we could move him on tomorrow - & he does that almost overnight.Mark my words, if we let Welbeck go and he becomes a regular starter, he will pull a Sturridge, if not even better as his link up play/ball control etc is better than Studges.
Would be a huge mistake letting him go.
My theory is maybe Van Gaal is deliberately not killing the rumour to put the smoke up Welbz to get him to be more hungry and fight more and fight his way into the team, we can all dream right????
In fact, the change of scenery could be the key of unlocking it all.
Would be sad to see him go, but IMO it's the price were paying for Moyes' decision to renew Rooney's contract. It's probably reasonable to assume that SAF was planning on selling Rooney, which means Welbeck would have had more of a chance.
Either way, it's not to criticise anyone as the bottom line is Welbeck hasn't quite performed enough to force his way past either of Rooney or RvP. Which is fair. & the lad needs developing.
Let's just hope we add a Barca'esque buy-back clause or first refusal etc, if we do sell him.
for his career i think he should go. You should be playing regularly once you reach 23-24 years old...Especially when you have the talent for it.
Young Wilson can take Danny's place as the 3rd choice striker since his young age makes it more likely that he'll be patient.
Danny is bambi on ice infront of goal, he has got everything else but he is a lowsy finisher and that is the reason he'll never be good enough.
so why is utd insisting on not selling him to a top 6 team?
Because you don't sell players to your direct competitors.
I like this idea. Why not see if with 40 games and being guaranteed first choice he can step up. We can't take that chance but I'm sure some clubs can. Then we could have him back or sell him after the loan, when we'd know whether he could do the business for United.
I still think there should be a place for him here. He can play wide in a 3 and do a much better job than Young or Valencia could. If he leaves, I'm sure there will be times this season we're wishing he hadn't.
So nothing new today? Hopefully this means it was just contract negotiation tactics and he is going nowhere.
Its best for him to leave and play for a club who can offer a permanent starting XI position. Everton, would imo be a good option, as Martinez could do with more attacking options, especially with Barkley out.
He's a hard worker, has a good first touch, has pace and can be good at linking up play. However, I don't think that he's ever found a way to gel it all together and up his game as a result. Having pace for example is useless if you don't know how or when to use it. Look at Januzaj, he's not the fastest player at all, but he already has a superior end product at the end of his runs. That's what matters.
LVG has probably said to him you're a good player who deserves time but I see RVP and Rooney ahead of you and if you want to leave to find football elsewhere that's fine with me.
no that doesn't make much sense. if he was such a bad player... who cares? Selling a bad player to a competitor actually would work in your favor.
Stoke, Newcastle, West Brom and Swansea must be gutted.
He's clearly got the other 2 ahead of him but neither can be trusted with injuries. I know he hasn't had the best injury record himself but we will be absolutely fecked if they get injured and we only have Hernandez coming in.
How did those foam hands treat you lot today? Makes a change from the plastic flags eh.
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