Yeah i get that, but wouldnt you rather have him around for when RVP is injured, or Hernandez leaves?
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Doesn't make sense to let go of him with Hernandez in the squad. As much as I like Hernandez, you have to acknowledge that his game is fairly limited, you can never envisage him as a regular starter for United and he is woefully low on confidence as of now. Welbeck on the other hand, is fairly well-rounded with his pace, strength, ability to link-up fantastically, hold-up play and his industry. He is also not absolutely woeful at finishing as some here are making him out to be, he does have some sublime finishes in him but he often cocks up when one-on-one. It rather suggests he has problems with his composure rather than basic technical/finishing deficiencies which can be lessened or eradicated with coaching and through experience. I know he is 23 and should have gotten this ironed out by now but lets not forget he has barely got a consistent run in the first team at his favoured position.
Confidence and being played in their 'best' position plays a huge role in a striker's performances and psyche. Look at how Sturridge performed for Bolton/Liverpool as their prime central striker and his performances for Chelsea when he was forced out wide. Look how Cavani, a goal machine in Serie A is looking disgruntled out wide and half the player he is, in Ligue 1. So you can't just say playing on the left isn't a good enough reason for Welbeck's poor goalscoring record. Lets also not forget Welbeck also played in a fairly wide winger role in a 4-4-2 with heavy defensive responsibilities rather than a wide forward role like in a 4-3-3.
However, he does have certain issues that annoys the hell out of fans. He exhibits brilliant ball control, an audacious flick and good link-up play in certain games and then goes on to play like Bambi on ice in the next game. There is a fair bit of inconsistency in his game other than his workrate/pressing which he is consistently good at. Once again this can be ironed out through a regular run in the first team. I wouldn't say he is a better player than Hernandez as of now as they are both different types of players and you really can't have an objective comparison with both of them. However, even in the best case scenario I can't see Hernandez starting for United in the near future but I can see Welbeck getting into United's first team if everything goes well for him. Hernandez has got the fundamentals spot on with his brilliant movement and finishing but his all-round game isn't good enough to be starting for a team like United. Before someone comes up with a quip about how Ruud was good enough to start for us, remember Van Nistelrooy had great technique as well and wasn't a limited poacher like Hernandez.
I guess LVG could have done a better job at convincing Welbeck to stay. Rooney is going to be 29 soon and has a propensity for getting knocks during the course of the season, RVP is injury prone and 30 years old, so its not like Welbeck is never going to get chances in the first team. Given that Welbeck is fairly youngish(23) and still has most of his career in front of him, it can't have been hard to prove to him that he is going to be an important part of United's future if he proves himself. You can just see him going to Everton, Spurs or heck even Arsenal and making us regret for letting him go. If we are not going to let him leave for a top-6 side, he is not exactly going to leave is he... Maybe that's LVG masterplan in dealing with him in the short-term, as Welbeck probably wants first-team assurances right now which LVG realistically can't provide with RVP and Rooney in the first team.
Confidence and being played in their 'best' position plays a huge role in a striker's performances and psyche. Look at how Sturridge performed for Bolton/Liverpool as their prime central striker and his performances for Chelsea when he was forced out wide. Look how Cavani, a goal machine in Serie A is looking disgruntled out wide and half the player he is, in Ligue 1. So you can't just say playing on the left isn't a good enough reason for Welbeck's poor goalscoring record. Lets also not forget Welbeck also played in a fairly wide winger role in a 4-4-2 with heavy defensive responsibilities rather than a wide forward role like in a 4-3-3.
However, he does have certain issues that annoys the hell out of fans. He exhibits brilliant ball control, an audacious flick and good link-up play in certain games and then goes on to play like Bambi on ice in the next game. There is a fair bit of inconsistency in his game other than his workrate/pressing which he is consistently good at. Once again this can be ironed out through a regular run in the first team. I wouldn't say he is a better player than Hernandez as of now as they are both different types of players and you really can't have an objective comparison with both of them. However, even in the best case scenario I can't see Hernandez starting for United in the near future but I can see Welbeck getting into United's first team if everything goes well for him. Hernandez has got the fundamentals spot on with his brilliant movement and finishing but his all-round game isn't good enough to be starting for a team like United. Before someone comes up with a quip about how Ruud was good enough to start for us, remember Van Nistelrooy had great technique as well and wasn't a limited poacher like Hernandez.
I guess LVG could have done a better job at convincing Welbeck to stay. Rooney is going to be 29 soon and has a propensity for getting knocks during the course of the season, RVP is injury prone and 30 years old, so its not like Welbeck is never going to get chances in the first team. Given that Welbeck is fairly youngish(23) and still has most of his career in front of him, it can't have been hard to prove to him that he is going to be an important part of United's future if he proves himself. You can just see him going to Everton, Spurs or heck even Arsenal and making us regret for letting him go. If we are not going to let him leave for a top-6 side, he is not exactly going to leave is he... Maybe that's LVG masterplan in dealing with him in the short-term, as Welbeck probably wants first-team assurances right now which LVG realistically can't provide with RVP and Rooney in the first team.
Agree with many on here, it just doesn't make sense. He loves the club, he is a very good player, he is versatile and he is always improving in my opinion. Would hate to see him leave, any club would do well to sign him. Hope it's not true, especially with Hernandez still here.
Can't believe we'd get rid of Welbz. He's the only forward with pace, allied to some ability. Rather see the back of Mata, Young or Valencia. Infact, I'd rather get rid of all three before Danny. He's not great but he is good. And he's ours.
Never mind getting his balls out, I think van Gaal is dropping a massive bollock on this one.
Never mind getting his balls out, I think van Gaal is dropping a massive bollock on this one.
Maybe he wants out in search of playing minutes? He's not going to dislodge Rooney or RVP anytime soon, so it's reasonable that both player and club have to be realistic
Letting Welbeck to go is probably would just make our team worse. Clearly we lack of pace, energy and technical skill in our team. And now he doesn't mind getting rid the best player to do the job. This will leave us Januzaj is the only player to have such an ability in the team.
LVG is not letting Welbeck to move to top 6 teams because he acknowledge him, but if you can't sell him to top 6 team just because LVG acknowledge him then I rather keep him.
The only person inside the team who can encourage Welbeck to stay is Ryan Giggs. I doubt Rooney as a captain will try to encourage Welbeck to stay since he knows he can be in danger for starting eleven. Welbeck needs to have confidence to beat Rooney and RVP for starting eleven. He has the ability and potential.
LVG is not letting Welbeck to move to top 6 teams because he acknowledge him, but if you can't sell him to top 6 team just because LVG acknowledge him then I rather keep him.
The only person inside the team who can encourage Welbeck to stay is Ryan Giggs. I doubt Rooney as a captain will try to encourage Welbeck to stay since he knows he can be in danger for starting eleven. Welbeck needs to have confidence to beat Rooney and RVP for starting eleven. He has the ability and potential.
Just got caught up on all this after I woke up. Absolutely devastated. Doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever, and I hope it doesn't happen. Hernandez should be out the door before Danny. With RvP's injury history I don't know why we would get rid of a perfectly capable replacement. It's not like he's getting any younger either, I think Welbeck will displace him or Rooney by the end of the season if he stayed.
This thread is ridiculously melodramatic. United sold Evra, Evans and Vidic this summer - three players who were at the bedrock of the dressing room and mainstays of the team, and yet you all go nuts because Welbeck of all people is being allowed to pursue his talents elsewhere.
He's, at best, a peripheral figure. Good luck to him if he leaves.
He's, at best, a peripheral figure. Good luck to him if he leaves.
Jonny Evans is still at United and we were all disappointed to see the experienced players leave but they were different cases, this is a bit different in my opinion.
Not sure if we sold Evans.
You might need to see the thread of Vidic. People wanted him to stay but it's too late already.
People were hoping Evra to stay as well, but he's 33 and we understand his reason, so we moved on to the future which is why we signed Shaw.
But Welbeck (23)? There will be a lot of question marks here.
Oh yeah, Rio. Got mixed up there!
After I watched LVG press conference and his reaction. I think Welbeck will stay.
Wouldn't understand the decision to let Welbeck go and Hernandez stay tbh. IF ONE OF THEM HAD TO GO I MEAN, ideally they would both stay.
Welbeck affects general play far more than Hernandez has.
Welbecks technical ability, dribbling and link up play is far more efficient than Hernandez.
Welbeck is still very young, 23, still has a lot of time to improve his finishing.
Welbeck is far more versatile and can play other positions than Hernandez.
Hernandez hasn't exactly been in the form he was in his first season, Goals and all, now we have Rooney and Van Persie.
Plus also just the fact that Welbeck is a local, loves the club, came through the system, it would be such a shame.
Now, Don't get me wrong, I don't WANT Hernandez to be sold, I like Hernandez, I wish we could stick with all 4, it's just the right mix, however I'm just saying if 1 NEEDS TO GO, I don't understand the decision for it to be Welbeck going over Hernandez.
The other thing that wouldn't make sense is Smalling, Cleverley, Hernandez etc all who haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, didn't have GREAT pre seasons and have been under a lot of scrutiny lately get off completely fine, some even being offered new improved contracts, yet Welbeck, who I believe with some time up front could explode at any minute into a top striker and had a decent pre season with some real good link up play and goals is the one who gets the chop?
Welbeck affects general play far more than Hernandez has.
Welbecks technical ability, dribbling and link up play is far more efficient than Hernandez.
Welbeck is still very young, 23, still has a lot of time to improve his finishing.
Welbeck is far more versatile and can play other positions than Hernandez.
Hernandez hasn't exactly been in the form he was in his first season, Goals and all, now we have Rooney and Van Persie.
Plus also just the fact that Welbeck is a local, loves the club, came through the system, it would be such a shame.
Now, Don't get me wrong, I don't WANT Hernandez to be sold, I like Hernandez, I wish we could stick with all 4, it's just the right mix, however I'm just saying if 1 NEEDS TO GO, I don't understand the decision for it to be Welbeck going over Hernandez.
The other thing that wouldn't make sense is Smalling, Cleverley, Hernandez etc all who haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, didn't have GREAT pre seasons and have been under a lot of scrutiny lately get off completely fine, some even being offered new improved contracts, yet Welbeck, who I believe with some time up front could explode at any minute into a top striker and had a decent pre season with some real good link up play and goals is the one who gets the chop?
Really? What was his reaction?
The only thing that makes sense to me is that obviously Welbeck himself wants to leave and play first team football. That makes sense. I can't see why LvG would want to get rid of him though when the vast majority can see he is a superior player to Hernandez.
I watched it too and my first thought was that too but I watched it again and saw it as he was off
His reaction was like. "F@@@ off media, he is staying"
I'm sorry, but he did give you facts and you do keep going with the same rhetoric. Hernandez does have more goals AND assists so this whole poaching only for Hernandez is nonsense. Now he obviously has an agenda in just attacking Welbeck which to be quite honest is very strange, but by trying to defend you really have watered down Hernandez' abilities to just a poacher and have overrated Welbeck's abilities. That line where Welbeck would have more goals is just not right. We can see he struggles scoring.
Last season Welbeck outscored Hernandez so it's not exactly outwith the realms of possibility that if he was first choice up front that he could get anymore. I don't think Hernandez does offer much outwith his movement in the six yard box. Lynk then posted a couple of videos of Welbeck missing a couple of sitters where there are numerous videos of Hernandez doing the same. People will have their opinions and preferences though, and I have no issue with that.
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Letting Welbeck leave at 23 makes no fvcking sense. No fvcking sense at all. We're not Chelsea
right, but how many more times did Welbeck play and how many more minutes did he play also. Let's not forget Hernandez was one of the worst sufferers of the Moyes era in terms of system and minutes played. He started less than what 8 games and often when he was subbed on it was for 15 minutes or less cameos. There isn't much he ca do in those situations
If we look at the history of our attacking threats. I haven't seen United this slow to be honest.
But then it can be argued (and has, many times) and has been about Welbeck's position and him not getting a lot of chances up front. Swings and roundabouts, and it just goes round in circles.
Welbeck received it worse. He was on fire, once RVP and Rooney are back, he is straight head into the bench. I remember he scored 6 goals in 7 games. since then, he didn't start any of our league games. He only played about 5 or 10 mins from the bench. Ever since against Chelsea in January in the league he only played as a starter against City, Norwich and Southampton.
Hernandez himself is different. His record was great as a super sub only but when he was a starter, he couldn't offer something. To be honest last season Hernandez wasted more chances than Welbeck did. What make it worse is, Hernandez touch is awefull now.
Hernandez had his chances to play starter and the result was a disappointing, so it's not surprise if Hernandez sits on the bench. Welbeck had his chances to play starter, and the result was he scored 6 goals in 7 games, but when he was on fire, he sits on the bench because RVP and Rooney are back.
I believe that LvG told Welbz that he should play better than Wayne and RvP to start games, so Danny started to consider his options. If he is not going to get enough games to progress, it is in hiw own interest to leave the club permanently or get a loan.
It's not about a peripheral figure. It's about a young lad from Manchester, who has come through the ranks since he was 8 and has a lot of potential being allegedly told he is no longer wanted. That is what's bothering people. If you cannot see that then it's your problem, not the people who are worried about it coming true.
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FFS you don't even know what you're talking about. No wonder you think Evans has left.
I must say, I don't really see this as LvG pushing Welbeck out the door. Much like others have said, we think Welbeck is worried about his place a the club. We saw similar rumours last year when Moyes was at the helm, so maybe he feels as if he can get more games elsewhere. But I hope he puts that aside and continues on for us, he is something different and we look so much more electric when he is on the pitch for us.
I really hope come September 1st he is still a Man United player.
I really hope come September 1st he is still a Man United player.
I don't know why people are blaming the club.
Blame Welbeck. This is twice he has wanted to leave. Rooney pulled this shit and got lambasted for it.
People saying oh it's playing time. We just played one game this season. I'd understand if it was January and he was moaning about playing time.
This just reeks of wanting a better contract.
Blame Welbeck. This is twice he has wanted to leave. Rooney pulled this shit and got lambasted for it.
People saying oh it's playing time. We just played one game this season. I'd understand if it was January and he was moaning about playing time.
This just reeks of wanting a better contract.
Well last season i think most of the team wanted to leave, this season he has a point - for the sake of his career if LvG isnt going to play him up top he has to leave. Honestly i'd hate it if he left because hes a player i rate highly and i know if he joined Asnl we would all come to regret it quick
Don't get manipulated by the media man!
We don't know the truth of the story. LVG hasn't confirm what happen with the private conversation. Did Welbeck ask for transfer request like Rooney? Or did Welbeck just ask if he will be guaranteed number of games, and LVG said no I can't guarantee it so you can leave if you are not happy.
While Rooney saga is different with Welbeck. Sir Alex confirmed it that it was his 2nd time he asked for a transfer request.
And just like what OneUnited24 said last season most of the team wanted to leave anyway.
You are trying to comparing an Everton fans play with United and Manchester United fans/player wants to save his own career. Rooney won't ask for more money just to play for Everton but for his own career he left Everton. The similar thing to Welbeck. Once blue will always be blue. Once red will always be red.
It would be heartbreaking to see Danny Welbeck do what Danny Sturridge has done, who was released from Chelsea at an even younger age. Moving to a club who put a lot of trust in him really put the wind in his sails, and now he's a very good player. His scoring record at Liverpool is ridiculous. It could be a similar situation. Like Sturridge at Chelsea, Welbeck is being played out wide, where he does relatively well, but it's clear that it's not his best position. I fear he would take the piss if he moved to a club who played him as a CF every week.
Even more heartbreaking that he's a local lad, a United lad, and he's been here since he was a kid. If any of the strikers should leave, it's Hernandez, who just doesn't offer enough. Then there's RVP who is world class, but he isn't going to be around forever when you factor in both his age and his injury record. Then you have Rooney, who is more of a support striker than someone who leads the line anyway, and he will nearly always drift in and around a more advanced player which could realistically be Welbeck for years to come.
Welbeck should be kept, IMO. He's too promising and versatile to be shipped out. He can play anywhere along a front 3 or 4, and he gives the team so much pace, power and graft. Incredible at holding up the ball, due to his gigantic frame, as well as his technical ability on the ball. Genuinely one of the best in the world at defending from the front as well.
At only 23, he's got so much left to improve on. Don't they say that centre forwards hit their prime at around 27 onwards? He's still a little raw in places (finishing and link-up play in the penalty area) but his technical ability is clear, and his athletic attributes are outstanding. Physically and athletically the best English player currently, IMO.
If we are actually going to be moving towards 4-3-3, then Welbeck is a perfect fit for that, for any of the front 3 positions.
What if it isn't pointing that way? How would people react to that? To me for them to sell Danny there has to be serious quality coming in or I will be really disappointed and worried. By the way if they aren't going to fork out for the top options are they going to reduce the prices of tickets with the money saved. Thought not.
It's probably that he may have told Young he will get lots of games yet won't use Danny even though Rooney is only a couple of games away from an injury or his usual slump and RVP, I hope has not gone back to his Arsenal day.
Heard he had, but also headlines in papers that he can go. Time will tell. What he has done to get a new contract goodness knows.
He's being allowed to leave (if he wants) rather than shown the door.
Ahhh, it's just CM. You don't have to do much to play there for United.
Welbeck has a number of qualities: pace, power, great work rate, good first touch, generally good on the ball. And he is a local lad.
He has some significant weaknesses though, apart from not being particularly prolific. Like a lot of other British footballers, intelligence isn't his strongest quality. That's my impression at least, might be wrong about that. Add to that that he seems to be a bit fragile mentally wise and you could see how a player with such a good mixture of qualities struggles to become an important player at United.
I trust LvG's decision on that matter. If he thinks that Welbeck isn't that important to the team, then Danny is free to sign with another club if the fee is good for us. It could be important for his career to play regularly as the main man up front.
He has some significant weaknesses though, apart from not being particularly prolific. Like a lot of other British footballers, intelligence isn't his strongest quality. That's my impression at least, might be wrong about that. Add to that that he seems to be a bit fragile mentally wise and you could see how a player with such a good mixture of qualities struggles to become an important player at United.
I trust LvG's decision on that matter. If he thinks that Welbeck isn't that important to the team, then Danny is free to sign with another club if the fee is good for us. It could be important for his career to play regularly as the main man up front.
Good luck to him if that is what he wants. I am sure there will be others who will quite happily stay here to sit on the bench. That says a lot about Danny as a person.
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