Danny Welbeck | Manchester United: 2001-2014

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ivaldo said:
Rooney scored 17 goals in his first season at United, Welbeck has never scored more than 12 for United. There's no comparisons.
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Rooney started far, far more games as an actual forward/striker though. People seem to forget that Welbeck doesn't get a lot of game time there.

Last season he played six games straight up front while Rooney and Rvp were injured, and got five goals.

Not bad.
 
ivaldo said:
Rooney scored 17 goals in his first season at United, Welbeck has never scored more than 12 for United. There's no comparisons.
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"But muh build up! muh local lad! muh forced out onto the wings!"
 
mufcwarm92 said:
Bit of a simplistic way of looking at it. Welbeck massively improved his finishing and looked very good up front last season. Scores less when played wide, quite obviously. Hernandez has only every been good at two things, finishing and off the ball movement. His finishing has deserted him to the extent I now genuinely think Welbeck is better at everything, including finishing.
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I can't agree with you on that one, Welbecks finishing is very poor for a striker, without looking at statistics its fairly obvious. Of Welbeck could improve his finishing then I would genuinely be delighted for him to stay, I just can't see that happening unfortunately.
 
RuudTom83 said:
Take Welbeck out of the squad.
RVP gets injured.

Then you could play Rooney with either Mata/Januzaj/Hernandez/Shinji

I'd like Welbeck to stay but he is nowhere near irreplaceable and if United are to move forward then changes are ultimately going to happen.
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in theory it should work, but Shinji wont be staying long here it seems, Hernandez is a bit shit, Mata hasnt proved anything at United yet and Januzaj is still too young and in the next years will play on the flank. Changes should be made, but not the wrong ones. Chicharito out.
 
James Wilson will get promoted if we lose Welbeck, doubt this signals a new signing.
 
Lynk said:
"with any sense"

Is that just code for "He doesn't agree with me" ?
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No its a straight forward point.

Posting YouTube vids of misses as if it proves a point is typical of you in these discussions. It's nonsense and you do the same shit every time.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Keep repeating that mantra and perhaps eventually, the logic of what is being said will permeate your thick skull.
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There is no logic to comparing him to Wayne Rooney.


Rado_N said:
No its a straight forward point.

Posting YouTube vids of misses as if it proves a point is typical of you in these discussions. It's nonsense and you do the same shit every time.
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I was using it as an example. I don't remember using youtube videos before, so I don't get the "same shit every time" part of your argument.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Rooney started far, far more games as an actual forward/striker though. People seem to forget that Welbeck doesn't get a lot of game time there.

Last season he played six games straight up front while Rooney and Rvp were injured, and got five goals.

Not bad.
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Let's not kid ourselves here, he played as a wide forward not a defensive winger, when Rooney was shunted out wide it didn't seem to effect him much.
 
Lynk said:
If he is agitating, it's twice in a year that he's done that. Probably time to let him go.
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Unless you're Rooney and you get two pay rises and the captaincy. The double standards :lol:
 
With Welbeck leaving, I can see the record of United always having a youth player in their squad being over this season. Rafael, Cleverley, Wilson, Blackett are the only ones left, if he leaves.
 
ivaldo said:
Let's not kid ourselves here, he played as a wide forward not a defensive winger, when Rooney was shunted out wide it didn't seem to effect him much.
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Apart from the fact that he scored far less goals there or...?

Anyway, point still stands, you're obviously going to score less goals from a wide position than as a flat out forward, especially if your best position is as a forward.
 
ivaldo said:
Rooney scored 17 goals in his first season at United, Welbeck has never scored more than 12 for United. There's no comparisons.
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Of course there's a comparison.

You, today. On 23 year old Danny Welbeck.

ivaldo said:
Welbecks finishing is very poor for a striker, without looking at statistics its fairly obvious.
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Someone else, 2008. On 23 year old Wayne Rooney.

lapassion said:
I lost count of how many 1-on-1 he's missed in the last 3 matches, let alone the whole season. He's great everywhere else but when it comes to finishing, especially 1 on 1, he just can't seem to score. Why?
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I can see Welbeck and Hernandez being allowed to leave.

Especially if we do get Di Maria. In a 3-5-2 both Januzaj and Di Maria would play centrally. And in a 4-3-3 there's room only for one forward.

There are simply too many options. Especially with Wilson coming through I'd hate for us to stall his progress.

I just don't think as an attacking threat Welbeck has developed. He has pace and physicality and work rate but for me that isn't enough.

Honestly if he was playing for another club would there be a clamour for us to sign him? Don't think so.
 
Baxter said:
Unless you're Rooney and you get two pay rises and the captaincy. The double standards :lol:
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Massive Spanner said:
Apart from the fact that he scored far less goals there or...?

Anyway, point still stands, you're obviously going to score less goals from a wide position than as a flat out forward, especially if your best position is as a forward.
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But still scored more than Welbeck? A player who's attributes match that position far better than Rooenys, who coincidently still managed bags more goals in the #10 role, again not as the lead striker.
 
ivaldo said:
But still scored more than Welbeck? A player who's attributes match that position far better than Rooenys, who coincidently still managed bags more goals in the #10 role, again not as the lead striker.
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Feck me, that's still a far better position to score goals from that out wide.

Anyway, my main point here wasn't Welbeck vs Rooney, just that it's unfair to label Welbeck as really shit infront of goal given that when he actually plays up top he has a pretty good record there. Obviously he's not as good as Rooney and nobody will argue that but there are still valid comparisons between him and a 23 year old Rooney, as Pogue showed above.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
I can see Welbeck and Hernandez being allowed to leave.

Especially if we do get Di Maria. In a 3-5-2 both Januzaj and Di Maria would play centrally. And in a 4-3-3 there's room only for one forward.

There are simply too many options. Especially with Wilson coming through I'd hate for us to stall his progress.

I just don't think as an attacking threat Welbeck has developed. He has pace and physicality and work rate but for me that isn't enough.

Honestly if he was playing for another club would there be a clamour for us to sign him? Don't think so.
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There will always be at least half a dozen players in in every squad I've ever seen at United to whom this applies. Probably more right now!

Does this mean they should all be shipped out? Of course not. If they're at their peak or heading over the hill, then yes, it might make sense. Even so, they might be handy squad players to have round if they're able to do a job and not on huge wages. If they're still young and improving and already good enough to put pressure on the present incumbents in their position of choice then it's madness to let them go. Not unless we really don't have any choice.
 
In the space of an hour I appear to have gone from a position of "he's only a squad player and not particularly great" to flat out defending Welbeck, mainly because the anti-Welbeck brigade are forming such senseless and ridiculous opinions and falsities of him here.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Of course there's a comparison.

You, today. On 23 year old Danny Welbeck.



Someone else, 2008. On 23 year old Wayne Rooney.
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Yet he still completely outgunned him even when he was going through this supposed baron spell.
As you had pointed out previously Rooney was still scoring stunners when he was missing 1-on-1s, Welbeck hasn't, doesn't and will not have that in his bag to fall back on.
 
ivaldo said:
Yet he still completely outgunned him even when he was going through this supposed baron spell.
As you had pointed out previously Rooney was still scoring stunners when he was missing 1-on-1s, Welbeck hasn't, doesn't and will not have that in his bag to fall back on.
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If you're trying to convince me that Rooney is a better striker than Welbeck you're preaching to the converted.

That wasn't my point though.
 
Not really bothered if he leaves or stays, if all our players are fit he wouldn't even start, so I dunno why some are getting worked up if he leaves. He's a great 3rd/2nd choice striker at a club of our size imo and he has great qualities, he also held it down for us in December and picked up vital points with his goals and was wrongfully dropped from the central striking role by Moyes.

I wouldn't sell him for anything less than £15million though, He needs game time in the striking position (Where I think he could excel), which unfortunately he wont get here and will probably be wasted on the wings again.

If he does end up leaving, we have a ready made replacement in James Wilson, who IMO also needs game time to help his development.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
I can see Welbeck and Hernandez being allowed to leave.

Especially if we do get Di Maria. In a 3-5-2 both Januzaj and Di Maria would play centrally. And in a 4-3-3 there's room only for one forward.

There are simply too many options. Especially with Wilson coming through I'd hate for us to stall his progress.

I just don't think as an attacking threat Welbeck has developed. He has pace and physicality and work rate but for me that isn't enough.

Honestly if he was playing for another club would there be a clamour for us to sign him? Don't think so.
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Of course there wouldn't be a clamour to sign him. And if he played for a rival, he'd be in the Henderson/Milner "how the heck are they always starting for England?" group.

If he's not content with his role, that's fair enough. And if van Gaal isn't afraid of letting him go, then that's fair enough too. He's not a player we can't afford to lose.
Depending on where he went, it'll be interesting to see how much game time he gets for England in the future.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Feck me, that's still a far better position to score goals from that out wide.

Anyway, my main point here wasn't Welbeck vs Rooney, just that it's unfair to label Welbeck as really shit infront of goal given that when he actually plays up top he has a pretty good record there. Obviously he's not as good as Rooney and nobody will argue that but there are still valid comparisons between him and a 23 year old Rooney, as Pogue showed above.
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I dunno, ask Sturbridge/Suarez last season that question.

Welbeck isn't a natural goal scorer, when you think about ANY great strikers in the last 20 years did any of them look as average in front of goal as Welbeck? Remember this is united we are talking about, we shouldn't be looking to keep hold of good players, we should be wanting great players.
 
Doesnt fill you with loads of confidence that he's staying if that quote is correct. Surely he'd just deny it if not true, no point in saying it cryptically
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If you're trying to convince me that Rooney is a better striker than Welbeck you're preaching to the converted.

That wasn't my point though.
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We seemed to have wondered into that territory. Get back on track or shall we start arguing with other people?
 
I not a huge Welbeck fan or anything, but I don't see any reason for letting him go. He's the only one we have that actually possesses a little bit of pace and can run with the ball at speed towards the box. Everyone else is pedestrian at best.
 
Eriku said:
Stats and anecdotes tell you feck all.
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Right, as compared to your all-knowing judgement.

The flack Hernandez gets on here is ridiculous. I recall him being an integral part of the 2010-11 team, being a thorn in Chelsea's flesh, being an excellent foil for Rooney and Valencia. He's not in great form at the moment but that's what benching does to you. Dismissing his assists as just stats is myopic.
 
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