Danny Welbeck | Manchester United: 2001-2014

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marlowe78 said:
People may not be troubled by seeing him leave, but they will be when we're late in a close match and in need of someone to press up high, retain possession, and be a general nuisance of the opponents. Welbeck IMHO is immense in these areas of the game and I can't think of someone off hand who can come off the bench and play this role for us. Yes, his finishing is not up to par for a striker but that is the one area I think is keeping him from being a complete player.
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When his best attribute boils down to running a lot it pretty much opitimises why he isn't United quality.

I do also wonder sometimes when people mention his immense close control if they are watching a different player to me. For every feathered touch and smart flick you have the ball bouncing off his knee or a step over to no one twice as often, if it wasn't for his sheer pace his control would be considered bad.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Wenger' rates Welbeck too. As does Wenger's number one fan on here, @peterstorey

Been so much crap news coming out of United for the last year or so, I'm getting kind of immune to it. This would really piss me off, though.

Of all the players in our squad who might need an upgrade, beggars belief that one of the first we show the door is a player who was integral to all our best football of the recent past. Including the handful of games we've played under our new manager.
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But it's probably him who wants to go. Seems nobody else wants to take that on board and would prefer to blame the club/LvG.
 
Lynk said:
What difference in ability? Hernandez has matched Welbeck for assists and outscored him in the time both of have been in the squad. Welbeck is laughably overrated on here.
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The difference in ability is vast and obvious. Hernandez has no touch, can't dribble, cross or pass the ball. He's a worse all round footballer than most of our defenders.
 
Lynk said:
Welbeck wouldn't have been played there if he didn't bottle so many one on one chances.
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And Hernandez would have played there if he weren't so utterly limited in his abilities.

They have different skill sets. I will say this; Welbeck is closer to being a good finisher than Hernandez is to being decent with the ball at his feet and his back to the goal.
 
Gutted, really pissed. Fellaini, Cleverley, Anderson, Chicharito are all still at the club and we havent bought a world class player yet and what do we do, sell Welbeck. Incredible really. Cant believe some are happy to see him go. We should be renewing his contract at the moment and not telling him to go. Even if he wants to leave, surely we could convince him to stay.
 
ivaldo said:
When his best attribute boils down to running a lot it pretty much opitimises why he isn't United quality.

I do also wonder sometimes when people mention his immense close control if they are watching a different player to me. For every feathered touch and smart flick you have the ball bouncing off his knee or a step over to no one twice as often, if it wasn't for his sheer pace his control would be considered bad.
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Finally, some fecking reason here.

Welbeck is the Phil Jones of our attack. Great when we're up against it, not so great when we have to break teams down.
 
Eriku said:
And Hernandez would have played there if he weren't so utterly limited in his abilities.

They have different skill sets. I will say this; Welbeck is closer to being a good finisher than Hernandez is to being decent with the ball at his feet and his back to the goal.
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Yet Hernandez has matched him for assists for the past two seasons? Where as Welbeck has never got anywhere near 20 goals.
 
The most worrying thing is Hernandez might stay. Even Van Gaal noted that the last three performances that he started in was our worst performance under his reign. He even took him out at half time against Swansea in order to improve our football. I doubt Van Gaal rates Hernandez and like other mentioned, it is more about Welbeck wanting to leave. But if you put all of this together, I would think that Van Gaal would want to keep Welbeck as back up or to start alongside Rooney. Still confused to why Van Gaal would not want to keep Welbeck just for the chance that van persie gets injuried. Januzaj will be a great replacement, but he has yet to be tried in the striker/robben role. I hope if Welbeck leaves, it will be Januzaj that becomes our third striker in this 1-3-5-2 system
 
Lynk said:
Deluded defense of Welbeck checklist:
"Local lad"
Better than Hernandez
Played on the wing
"Our attacking play"
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None more a deluded defense than saying people only want him here is that he's local. I couldn't care less. I like footballers who can actually control a football and not be largely anonymous for 90 minutes. In fairness Hernandez also has the ability to flog a heap of shirts in North America. We all know how important commercial matters are to the club.
 
Really not sure what a lot of people's problem is with this, he is not good enough to be our first choice striker, he isn't really content been a backup, so unless LvG is going to convert him into a winger, or midfielder then this is a logical move, for me RvP, and Rooney, with Hernandez as an impact sub is the best way to go, plus we can give Wilson the 4 th choice spot he deserves.

Another point is that we need to sell some players who are actually worth something, especially if these Di Maria rumours are true.

There is still a very good chance he will stay, as I'm struggling to think of a non top 6 side that would want, or be able to buy him now, QPR, and Southampton maybe.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Wenger' rates Welbeck too. As does Wenger's number one fan on here, @peterstorey

Been so much crap news coming out of United for the last year or so, I'm getting kind of immune to it. This would really piss me off, though.

Of all the players in our squad who might need an upgrade, beggars belief that one of the first we show the door is a player who was integral to all our best football of the recent past. Including the handful of games we've played under our new manager.
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That's what pisses me off the most about it. If we had quality throughout the squad and this would happen, alright, but the fact that Young, Cleverley, Fellaini, Valencia, Hernandez, even Fletcher are seemingly good enough for now and he isn't, is baffling.

Lynk said:
Deluded defense of Welbeck checklist:
"Local lad"
Better than Hernandez
Played on the wing
"Our attacking play"
Tagline
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No, it's just you talking nonsense.
 
He needs matches. He has it in him to progress to the next level. I think Sir Alex didn't do as good a job in his final few years as he did in the 90s with regards to blending in youth. This has maybe hurt Jones, Smalling, Welbeck etc a little. I wouldn't mind seeing Welbeck sold if we put a buy back clause in because I feel if he went to a decent team where he would play consistently he could come good in 2 years or so.
 
Baxter said:
I couldn't care less. I like footballers who can actually control a football and not be largely anonymous for 90 minutes
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Wait, this is Welbeck we're talking about right?
 
Lynk said:
Finely, some fecking reason here.

Welbeck is the Phil Jones of our attack. Great when we're up against it, not so great when we have to break teams down.
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I remember there being a thread here not so long ago on how Welbeck best fecks up a goal scoring chance, I might be wrong but i think tripping over the ball won it. #sublimetouch
 
Out of interest, can anyone think of any other 23 year old strikers who have been first choice at a club with realistic CL aspirations in any of the major leagues in Europe?

If Danny really isn't willing to provide back-up to Rooney and RvP for at least one more season then I think he's being very impatient. If the club think they've seen the best he can offer then they're being very short-sighted.
 
I do agree with everyone that this isn't the time to lose someone like him though. But I am saying that if he was sold it would be acceptable if we put a buy back clause in
 
Actually a bit gutted at this if it's true.

Can only assume that he was told he'll only play when van Persie or Rooney are injured, and he wants to be first choice. Was always going to be hard to keep him as a back up striker when we have those 2 strikers at the club considering he's going to be 25 soon I think.
 
Look at van Gaal's record. If he doesn't value him that much.. well, he knows best...
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Out of interest, can anyone think of any other strikers who have been first choice at a club with realistic CL aspirations in any of the major leagues in Europe?

If Danny really isn't willing to provide back-up to Rooney and RvP for at least one more season then I think he's being very impatient. If the club think they've seen the best he can offer then they're being very short-sighted.
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It's obviously the former. It's only a few months since he tried to leave the club. Probably thought he'd give it another go under LvG until it became apparent that Rooney and RvP will still be his main pairing.
 
Lynk said:
Wait, this is Welbeck we're talking about right?
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Ah yes, I can understand how you can get confused. Hernandez got hooked after 45 minutes at the weekend without making 1 pass to a teammate. If ever there was a performance which summed up being anonymous on the pitch that was it. You just stick to living up to your tag line.
 
Baxter said:
Ah yes, I can understand how you can get confused. Hernandez got hooked after 45 minutes at the weekend without making 1 pass to a teammate. If ever there was a performance which summed up being anonymous on the pitch that was it. You just stick to living up to your tag line.
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Welbeck on the other hand stands out by the amount of times he falls over or misses a 1 on 1.
 
Lynk said:
Yet Hernandez has matched him for assists for the past two seasons? Where as Welbeck has never got anywhere near 20 goals.
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Morten Gamst Pedersen has more assists in the Premiership than Scholes.

I'll let you chew on that for a second.
 
Cina said:
It's obviously the former. It's only a few months since he tried to leave the club. Probably thought he'd give it another go under LvG until it became apparent that Rooney and RvP will still be his main pairing.
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My post makes a lot more sense after the edit!. He's still only 23 ffs. The perfect age to take up the reins as RvP and Rooney's abilities decline. Madness if he can't see this.
 
Cina said:
It's obviously the former. It's only a few months since he tried to leave the club. Probably thought he'd give it another go under LvG until it became apparent that Rooney and RvP will still be his main pairing.
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Yeah probably this. There's no way anybody would make him first choice ahead of Rooney and van Persie, and who knows, maybe van gaal even sees Januzaj as next in line if one of them is out, whether it is by playing him up top or changing formation.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
The difference in ability is vast and obvious. Hernandez has no touch, can't dribble, cross or pass the ball. He's a worse all round footballer than most of our defenders.
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Yet Welbeck couldnt score in a crack den.

The difference in ability between these two keepers is obvious.

Keeper A can play 30 yard pinpoint passes, take sublime freekicks and can flawlessly play as a sweeper keeper.

Keeper B is the only one who can catch a ball.

Goals wins matches, I know what I prefer from a striker.
 
Eriku said:
Morten Gamst Pedersen has more assists in the Premiership than Scholes.

I'll let you chew on that for a second.
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Two of the biggest games he's played in. I'll let you chew on that for a second.
 
This is a ridiculous decision I really hope the board step in on this one. I don't care how big LVG ball's are, Hernandez should be long gone before we even consider selling Welbeck.
 
He's not only competing with Chicharito. He's also competing with Januzaj in this system. If LVG prefers Januzaj up front over Welbeck, he is now 4th choice. He's probably not happy about that. You guys shouldn't assume that LVG prefers Chicha over Welbeck. Maybe Wilson has leap frogged over him as well. Mata has raved about Wilson recently too. We don't know.

Van Gaal has already said that he doesn't force players out. Players decide if they want to leave after they're told their role.
 
ivaldo said:
Yet Welbeck couldnt score in a crack den.

The difference in ability between these two keepers is obvious.

Keeper A can play 30 yard pinpoint passes, take sublime freekicks and can flawlessly play as a sweeper keeper.

Keeper B is the only one who can catch a ball.

Goals wins matches, I know what I prefer from a striker.
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Speaking of which...

Worst analogy ever.
 
Speak said:
Look at van Gaal's record. If he doesn't value him that much.. well, he knows best...
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In terms of transfers that is just not true.

Lynk said:



Two of the biggest games he's played in. I'll let you chew on that for a second.
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You missed the header he scored against Real Madrid, one of his best games for United. With Sir Alex Ferguson leaving Rooney out for him.
 
Lynk said:
Welbeck on the other hand stands out by the amount of times he falls over or misses a 1 on 1.
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His finishing isn't the best which no one denies. But Hernandez isn't Van Nistelrooy Mk2 either. His 'goal scoring instinct' is remarkably overrated and I seem to remember on Saturday that he has the ball in the 6 yard box, albeit flagged offside (shocker), and put it a good few yards wide. Hernandez' Utd career is littered with performances where he has been so bad that it's as good as a man down. Barca in the 09 CL Final sticks out having looked like he won a competition to play for United that day. Let's not forget his 4 league goals either last season.
 
Lynk said:



Two of the biggest games he's played in. I'll let you chew on that for a second.
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How is this guy promoted? Mods needs to start relegating/depromoting some full members. He was our best/one of best player on the pitch those days, how are those miss relevant when van Persie and Rooney missed more chances in those games?
 
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