Well, if Arsenal wouldn't pay our asking price, we shouldn't have sold to them. I'd prefer keeping him anyway...
Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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Hopefully LvG will throw some light on this issue today at the press conference.
Perhaps Welbeck was really kicking off behind the scenes, and Woodward had promised to sell him at the end of the season?. No doubt we tried to get as much money as possible, but if only Tottenham and Arsenal were serious what choice do you have?.
Can't believe Danny Welbeck is causing all this fuss.
Gary Neville might also want to get down of his high horse. He wasn't saying this when his best mate was sold.
Gary Neville might also want to get down of his high horse. He wasn't saying this when his best mate was sold.
He was never good enough and I'm actually glad that he is not in our squad this weekend. Always sad to see a limited player like him start over a player like Januzaj. It's was also a sign that our squad was not good enough. Now we are getting there, and there was no place for him.
I hope the rest of the deadwood is gone in a years time.
I hope the rest of the deadwood is gone in a years time.
Hahaha "worth more than that".
Someone who didn't regularly play first team football, who has got 3 strikers compete with him of which 2 superstar strikers, someone like that isn't worth more than 20mil.
It's just silly to claim such a thing.
Mind you, I think he will excel at Arsenal. But, that is because of the way they play, suits him better.
Someone who didn't regularly play first team football, who has got 3 strikers compete with him of which 2 superstar strikers, someone like that isn't worth more than 20mil.
It's just silly to claim such a thing.
Mind you, I think he will excel at Arsenal. But, that is because of the way they play, suits him better.
How was he limited?
Obviously, I couldn't care less about United earning a few million quid less than they should. We're fecking minted. What really boils my piss is tightwad Wenger getting a bargain when their need to buy far exceeded our need to sell. Just one more example of Woody's incompetence in transfer negotiations. Which is a concern that has potential implications beyond this particular bit of business.
Obviously, that's just what irritates me about the fee. My main beef will always be letting him go at all. Not sure I can blame Woody for that. More's the pity.
Obviously, that's just what irritates me about the fee. My main beef will always be letting him go at all. Not sure I can blame Woody for that. More's the pity.
Established international, proven performer in big games, scored regularly when played up-front last season, relatively young, and English. When Shaw is moving for 30 million, Welbeck is definitely worth more than 16.
A lot of people are saying that. Wasn't the idea of our new manager and his "philosophy" that we would end up playing a similar style of football? (Without their perennial mental weakness, anyway)
Everybody is entitled to express their opinions but this is getting tiresome now. I think I have come to the point when I don't care about thoughts from ex players like Gary Neville any longer. From my perspective he clearly has an agenda, or maybe he's a attention seeker?
Danny is sold and if the price is right or wrong doesn't matter. Ed Woodward isn't a fool and if he and LVG decided to cash in on some of our players then I trust their judgement. In business you give and take, not every deal can be perfect.
None of us knows the ins and outs of this deal so until the club or the player share further information it's pointless to speculate. I wish Welbz the best in his new club but I'm a diehard United supporter so right now I'm more interested in our new players then analyzing old deals.
Danny is sold and if the price is right or wrong doesn't matter. Ed Woodward isn't a fool and if he and LVG decided to cash in on some of our players then I trust their judgement. In business you give and take, not every deal can be perfect.
None of us knows the ins and outs of this deal so until the club or the player share further information it's pointless to speculate. I wish Welbz the best in his new club but I'm a diehard United supporter so right now I'm more interested in our new players then analyzing old deals.
Hm, agreed about the fuss from Neville, both G and P. It may turn out that Welbeck performs outstandingly at Arsenal in a position that he prefers, but LvG didn't fancy him and that's that.
Giggs reiterated United's stance on bringing on home-grown players - it is unfortunate that the academy hasn't come up with many that have established themselves as fixtures in the first team. The obsession with citing the "class of 92" is getting boring; they were outstanding and we cannot compare every United youngster with them.
We might well end up playing in a similar style but it would be with Rooney or RVP up top not Welbeck, even if he had stayed.
I'd have to agree. Think mid 20's would have been fair. That aside, clear Danny wasn't first choice but given RVP I think is on the decline, I would have liked him to have stayed at least another season. It's clear Giggs didn't want him to go but I think Danny was pushing to leave from last season. This I feel was the players choice and not the clubs. That's modern football but in fairness, nothing new in Spain and historically big clubs have sold players to their rivals cause they see the bigger picture. Danny could score 20 goals here but it wouldn't be the difference between winning the big games or not.
Is not the goals that was his problem, it's scoring them in key moments in games. That's what the top strikers do. If Danny was going through one on one, in the 89th minute, I'd think it's 50/50 whether he'd score.
Just gutted we sold the best striker on the planet for £90mil less than his worth, Arsenal surely will go on to win the Universe Cup now.
Maybe we should sell Fellaini to Arsenal? He might learn how to pass, shoot, tackle and score a shitload of goals then.
It's clearly worked for Danny Welbeck
It's clearly worked for Danny Welbeck
Obviously he's going to do pretty well at Arsenal. He'll play every game there at least for the next 4 months. That would still not vindicate the people who wanted us to keep him here.
I'm with you on this one. As I say all the time Man Utd are news, whether negative or positive we are always the biggest story. Neville, Robson, Redknapp etc all going on about Welbeck despite the fact is he was never going to start, the boy wants to start and was willing to move from his boyhood club to do so. Fair on him.
16m and his wages would have been taken into account (reported at 80k a week). Yes he was on much less than RvP, Rooney and now Falcao but probably on a hell of a lot more than Wilson. LvG is quoted as saying how impressed he is with Wilson and can see a future for him whereas Danny will be 24 soon and needs to be playing regular, if he had stayed another year his value would have dropped with only a year remaining on his contract.
Comparisons to Luke Shaw price is nonsense too, Luke Shaw is being touted by many experts as England's best left back for next 10 plus years, he had a long term contract with Southampton and Chelsea were also interested. We have paid a high price for a long term investment.
As for Welbeck Arsenal were willing to pay a price we were happy with, clubs were hardly entering a bidding war for him. I think it was good business.
Lets just get behind our current players and look forward not back.
Depends what you mean by "pretty well". If he's looking like a better striker than any other of the strikers currently at our club, I'd say they should feel entirely vindicated.
He retweeted this -
To be fair his point is right.
He will do well at Arsenal, he will displace Giroud throughout the season, but he is by no means a perfect fit for them, they need an out and out goal scorer/ poacher sort of player better, like Hernandez.. however it's not inconceivable he can transform his game..
It still wouldn't as he'd not be getting the chances he would need to perform the same way here.
Many would argue he should be getting those chances, though. Van Gaal came with a reputation of not caring about the egos of big stars and having the balls to drop them for a youngster who will be of more benefit to the club in the long term.
Obviously, it's his call and if he thinks sticking with our misfiring front two of last season is the way forward than we'll have to accept that. However, if Danny has a really good season for Arsenal and our strikers don't impress then it will look like Van Gaal made the wrong call. Time will tell.
That is indeed a thoroughly batshit comment.
Welbeck signed against Wenger's wishes?
Welbeck could easily worth 25m plus if he is playing according to his potential. But lets face it being our 4th choice striker he won't play as many matches anyway, and his value will only go all the way down every year, until we loss him for free.
It's so weird. Like he couldn't have picked up a phone or read an email?
Apart from anything else, it makes Wenger look like an utter feckwit for choosing to do something on deadline day that impaired his ability to oversee transfers.
"If I had not been away on deadline day, Welbeck would not have signed. That's the truth," said Wenger.
"It was quick because it was the last day of the transfer window but I had no hesitation to do it."
What part of that says, I wanted him on a loan?
"It was quick because it was the last day of the transfer window but I had no hesitation to do it."
What part of that says, I wanted him on a loan?
Well yea, but even if it is the case that he wouldn't have given the green light; way to give your new player an ego boost.
The only problem I have with Welbeck sale is the fact that we sold to a rival who is our direct rival to getting back into the top 4. The price also seems very low, especially for a young British player.
Fantastic man management there Arsene 
None of it. The whole thing is cryptic as feck.
Not to mention that there's a much more dramatic headline in there based around his comments about how the deal wouldn't have happened if he'd been in London, yet they go with the boring stuff about preferring a loan (while not including a single quote to back the headline up!). Really strange article.
I think Wenger wants to wash his hands off what seems like a last minute snap decision.
Precisely. Why he fecked off on deadline day when his club was still looking to be active in the market is just sheer craziness.
I don't think the price was too low considering he was 3rd choice and only had two years left on his contract.
24 soon and he also wanted out to get the first team football he was not guaranteed with us.
Maybe our thinking is he can do damage to the other top teams, we seem to do alright against Arsenal and know his game inside out.
So the quotes sound like he doesn't want to sign him on last minute yet he didn't hesitate to sign him too. What?
May well be quotes being mangled up by a journo, taken out of context.
It's Arsene being his usual self.
What he probably meant was that if he was in London and seen to be actively pushing a move, United might have pulled out of any deal, or asked for way too much.
What he probably meant was that if he was in London and seen to be actively pushing a move, United might have pulled out of any deal, or asked for way too much.
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