Well no, that's extremely flawed logic. He clearly isn't playing at the same level as Cazorla, Giroud or Sanchez. Take Sanchez out and Arsenal look less of a threat, take Welbeck out, and there is no real difference. His stats nor overall play isn't there to back up that he is playing in or around the same level as others. I doubt he will improve that much at all. I can see Walcott coming back into the fold and Arsenal will probably invest in a striker this summer. I can see him being a squad player next season.
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Well no, that's extremely flawed logic. He clearly isn't playing at the same level as Cazorla, Giroud or Sanchez. Take Sanchez out and Arsenal look less of a threat, take Welbeck out, and there is no real difference. His stats nor overall play isn't there to back up that he is playing in or around the same level as others. I doubt he will improve that much at all. I can see Walcott coming back into the fold and Arsenal will probably invest in a striker this summer. I can see him being a squad player next season.
You're right. There were plenty of Henry comparisons on here, a quick search will sufficice there. I guess people want to recant now. The whole 'we lost our identity' nonsense after we sold Welbeck coupled with the drama on here, set a bad precedent, IMO. But the absolute worst was our 'so called' fans that were on here celebrating his Arsenal goals. I've said it many times before but the reaction to the Welbeck transfer is by far the strangest that I've ever seen.
It's hard to tell when you aren't seeing the game live, but does he not make dangerous runs? He doesn't seem to get into goalscoring positions ever when he plays wide, and he should be decent at finding the gap between the fullback and center back by now, surely?
That was really crazy, yeah. And you're right reactions were pretty strange but it seems many people have realised he isnt that big of a potential.
I still would like him back, but i guess i'm in the minority now 
I still would like him back, but i guess i'm in the minority now
I certainly don't think you're in the minority. He still has a massive core of fans on here, coupled with Falcao and RvP's form, plenty would take him back.
I've answered the reason why the likes of OShea and Butt got 800+ games while the likes of Bojan and Deolfeu did not. Playing minutes depends on many factors which may or may not be associated with the player's talent. Palmer and Butcher have 18 and 70 England caps while Steve Bruce had never played with England. Does that mean Butcher, Palmer > Steve Bruce? Same with Heskey (62) and Crouch (42) who have more England caps then Andy Cole (15). Does that mean that Heskey and Crouch were better players then our Coley? Bottom line of the story if the manager likes you he will play you irrespective on how good or bad you are. Case in point is Pogba who left United because he couldnt get games at United (who kept playing the likes of Ando and Cleverley) only to become an instant hit with Juventus despite having to compete for a first team place with players like Vidal, Pirlo and Marchisio. Does that mean that Cleverley, a 36 year old Scholes, Fletcher and Ando > Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio?
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The few matches Giroud was injured at the start of the season where when he should have seized the opportunity to cement his place as Arsenal's main striker by scoring goals. That was his real opportunity, when he plays on the wing, he's just a rubbish footballer. Pace without brain and efficiency is useless.
I still would like him back, but i guess i'm in the minority now
I was never part of the Welbeck brigade to be honest. I was always concerned about his weak finishing. Nevetheless I don't mind if we have him back as long as he understand his role at OT. Welbeck has his uses but he's not first team material.
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Bojan played 163 times for Barcelona...
How many were starts?
Agreed. He's useless on the wing, this was made clear in the Summer. His best position is as a CF, I remember we joked how long it would take for Wenger to push him out on the wing. Not long. It's why him joining Arsenal was a bad idea, he should have moved to a club where he'd have played upfront in his best position.
I think Arsenal was the right move, he just didn't seize the opportunity whilst Giroud was injured. If he had went on to score plenty of goals, he probably would be used as a CF. Just so happens he didn't... theres a trend there I guess.
He might get another chance again there anyway. If Giroud performs like he did in the CL again anyway.
Bambi needs a spark, a moment to kick on his career. He's been on the edge for far too long. I just hope he waits until next season.
Just lacks a fat dose of killer instinct.
Let me put it this way. Anyone making Henry comparisons was obviously high on something. Regardless, it is a daft statement/argument to bring up now and doesnt actually prove anything other than (shock) there are some people on the caf who overrated him.
I said it is laughable to write off a 24 year old as "never going to make it" or to suggest that they cant/wont improve. He hasnt reached his peak yet and is only now getting really regular playing time at a high level. We are halfway through the season and he hasnt looked out of place at Arsenal, and his stats have been comparable to plenty of other players at top clubs.
Sure, maybe he wont improve, but to claim that as fact is what I said was laughable, and I stand by that.
You say he clearly isnt playing at the same level but I disagree. Sanchez is certainly on a higher level than the rest of the team but Cazorla has only come into form recently, and for the first few months of the season didnt really produce anything (in the first 12 games of the season, he had 1 assist and no goals despite playing 90 minutes in most), and Giroud definitely doesnt look on a different level to Welbeck or anyone else in the team - he looks like a decent/good PL striker, same as Welbeck for me.
You are looking at things in a negative light because it suits your argument - you say "take Welbeck out and there is no real difference" which is partially true (I think Welbeck's work rate is something they have missed when he has been subbed off at times - he regularly wins the ball off defenders to start dangerous moves for example), whereas I am saying that he doesnt look at all out of place in the Arsenal attack, playing fast, fluid attacking football. And his overall play does contribute to this. Its glass half full vs glass half empty. For me, given the other circumstances discussed (ie age, gametime etc) I think this merits giving him the benefit of the doubt before writing him off as average.
I havent claimed that as a fact. Maybe he'll improve, its just the question how much. I think not to much and I stand by that.
As others have sad, sure he contributes to their play but they dont look weaker when he's not in the squad.
Giroud is not the same, despite the fact he's not some wc striker or sthing, he's just average, he is better than Welbeck.
There were a fair amount of people talking about Henry so all of them must have been high, I agree.
I don't think saying he is average is writing him off at all. He's average in the context of playing for an elite club. Giroud may be no world beater, but he's a far more effective number 9 than Welbeck. Welbeck has some better attritibutes for sure, but he lacks the clinical edge to be a number 9 for a top team. All this talk of his defensive work is overstated, he lost the 50/50 that led to Monaco's first goal the other night. He works hard, but so what? His job isn't to defend. If I was an Arsenal fan, I would definitely rather Walcott ahead of him.
There's no agenda here, I just don't see it with Welbeck at all. My issue is the massive overrating and drama on here when he left, it was pathetic. What made it so bad was our own 'fans' celebrating his goals.
I would have happily kept him here, and in hindsight, I certainly would have kept him and not signed Falcao. But hey, he's gone now, so lets move on.
And those same stars have been taking a shitload of flak for their poor performances around here. Not really much of a difference in that one.
At United, although he should have scored more, I took a liking to Danny because of his exceptional overall play. It always seemed to me that when he played; whether that be on the wing, up top, or just behind the striker, we clicked better in the final third and looked more fluid. That's just my opinion anyway.
At Arsenal, although I don't watch many of their games, he doesn't seem to get involved in the build up play as much as he did at United, but when he does get the ball, most of the time he looks dangerous, in my opinion. I mean, if you go back to the first few minutes against Monaco on Wednesday, Danny was at the forefront of everything Arsenal did well, and was unlucky not to score. I noticed Danny also played a part in both goals against Palace too.
I think Welbeck can play on the wing and score goals but at the moment I don't think Arsenal are not using him correctly. First of all, he's much more comfortable on the left than he is on the right. Secondly, make him start wide and look to make darting runs in between the full back and centre back - similar to what Walcott does and did when he come on against Monaco. Arsenal have got enough creative midfielders to find the pass.
I think this is always going to be a thread where, if Danny does not play well in one game (although everyone was shocking against Monaco, even the subs) people will call him average, and if he plays well, he's top class. I guess, like people have said, he's somewhere in between that. I personally don't think he's average at all. I mean, on his day, he would give any team a torrid time, as we've seen in the past. He's also arguably been England's best player (performance wise) over the last year or so. People might say it's not hard, but he still has to produce consistent performances we very rarely see from England players.
At Arsenal, although I don't watch many of their games, he doesn't seem to get involved in the build up play as much as he did at United, but when he does get the ball, most of the time he looks dangerous, in my opinion. I mean, if you go back to the first few minutes against Monaco on Wednesday, Danny was at the forefront of everything Arsenal did well, and was unlucky not to score. I noticed Danny also played a part in both goals against Palace too.
I think Welbeck can play on the wing and score goals but at the moment I don't think Arsenal are not using him correctly. First of all, he's much more comfortable on the left than he is on the right. Secondly, make him start wide and look to make darting runs in between the full back and centre back - similar to what Walcott does and did when he come on against Monaco. Arsenal have got enough creative midfielders to find the pass.
I think this is always going to be a thread where, if Danny does not play well in one game (although everyone was shocking against Monaco, even the subs) people will call him average, and if he plays well, he's top class. I guess, like people have said, he's somewhere in between that. I personally don't think he's average at all. I mean, on his day, he would give any team a torrid time, as we've seen in the past. He's also arguably been England's best player (performance wise) over the last year or so. People might say it's not hard, but he still has to produce consistent performances we very rarely see from England players.
Next Henry? Nah, more like a shit version of Alvaro Morata.
Did Welbeck compare himself to Henry or was it the media, meaning that if he doesn't live up to the hype of one of the greatest players to grace the PL, we call him shit.
Absolutely. We are talking about Nicky Butt and Phil Nev who played for England and held their own very well in teams that were always on the brink of winning something supposedly but never did.
Apart from Phil's gaff in giving that penalty which was just a normal part of high stakes football and he was going to be damned if he went to stop the player and damned if he didn't, Nicky and Phil could hold their heads high in the England teams they played in and Nicky did have a phenomenally good World Cup when Pele made that comment.
Nicky and Phil were essential to the Treble winning year. Especially Nicky in taking over Roy Keane's place in the European Cup Final. Less ability than Roy but note how Roy got himself suspended for what should have been the crowning achievement of his career - the first European Cup since Bestie and co made footballing history. Phil Nev went out to play for United and England and did exactly what his manager asked. He was also versatile and had that footballing intelligence that his brother also had in reading the game. Nicky and Phil shouldn't be underrated by United fans.
Sadly I think the way they finished their careers (on a downward spiral so to speak) at Utd affected many fans' opinion of their true worth.
Nobody on here was saying Danny is the new Thierry Henry. We were saying we hoped he would develop along similar lines under Wenger. Of course Henry was always a class act but it took going to Arsenal and being played in the position he was to really make him into a star striker famous for not only being very clinical but amazing to watch.
Some of us know that Danny needs to be playing in his favoured position. He's no stranger there - our Wayne has tended to struggle when played outside his favourite position. Arsenal was the best choice for Danny in terms of the timing and Arsene Wenger wanting to give him an opportunity. Whether Danny's potential will come to fruition at Arsenal is another thing altogether for a number of reasons.
I don't understand why a few United fans seem to want to see a local lad fail. Danny took his chance and moved on, and Arsenal looked like the best fit at the time. It's early days and I am hoping he can come into his own even if he has to move to another club to do it.
Welbeck has made the term 'auxiliary attacker' his own.
He's not an auxiliary attacker, he's an example of the modern multi-role forward like Muller.
Yeah, poor man's Muller I guess.
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I said it at the start of this thread and the naysayers doubted me.Have a bet on with my old man, he said Danny will get 20 goals this year at Arsenal when United let him go,
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20?
There's always next season.
There's always next season.
He'll be out wide or on the bench.
Yeah, probably.
I hope for the sake of your missus, that this prematurity doesn't extend to other aspects of your life
To start as a striker next season he'll probably need Giroud to get another long term injury and for Arsenal not to purchase a top level striker which they probably need to do if they really want to compete with Chelsea.
Well now that you mentioned itI hope for the sake of your missus, that this prematurity doesn't extend to other aspects of your life
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