Nothing to do with work rate, was more that Welbeck has pace to stretch teams, something we don't have at all. Falcao is the better player.
£18m was a good price we got for him.
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Nothing to do with work rate, was more that Welbeck has pace to stretch teams, something we don't have at all. Falcao is the better player.
£18m was a good price we got for him.
18m was fantastic value for a mid-to-low table player.
Nope. He seemed to be doing whatever he wanted, having next to no effect on the game.
Not a huge difference, but pretty sure it was £16m, not £18m as some keep saying.
Taking 11 shots in the box for every goal this season. Only Enner Valencia and Christian Benteke have worse finishing records for players with anything like the chances he's had.
Whereas during Moyes' tenure his stats were actually pretty decent.
Thought he has been scoring less since going to the wing after Girouds return? Seems pretty similar to how things played out for United
Not Soldado?
I doubt Soldado has had anywhere near the same amount of chances, he's barely played.
Arsenal fan view on Welbeck, around 2:45.
He's right. Welbeck will be never world-class and i can see him in an Everton shirt in 2 seasons.
I don't like saying it but, I was wrong on Welbeck.
Was 100% convinced he'd be world class
Was 100% convinced he'd be world class
He will spend 2-3 years at Arsenal as a rotation option then be shifted to a mid table club where he will be a decent prem striker. It's inevitable.
I have given up on him since his missed chances against both games against Bayern Munich last season.
1st leg was unforgivable.....But it got Moyes one step closer to the sack......Not sure how to look at it
Never been a fanboy over Welbeck and never understood how others saw a world class player in the making. Emilie Heskey was a far better striker at his age, Welbeck just doesn't have goals in him.
It may be harsh but he'll end up as Darren Bent.
How? Bent scored loads of goals and barely got a chance at a big club.
I mean in the sense he's playing at Derby now.
Welbeck would make a brilliant wingback.
Reading a-few Arsenal forums this morning and lots of fans seem to be completely losing faith in him. They seem to be taking the angle that he's allegedly better at tracking back than Walcott, but that aspect of his game was awful last night, too. I have to admit, he's fared even worse than I personally thought he would.
I know many were upset when we sold Danny and I wasn't a fan of the choice either, but he wanted to go and I don't think he's done anything to prove his point. Yes he'd give us a lot more pace and athleticism up top but that is because our two center forwards are usually found with stuff Indian Jones goes hunting for, but he wouldn't add anything more in terms of goal threat.
I see him as a modern Emile Heskey. Greatly valued for all the things he can do for the team, but when push comes to shove, he doesn't deliver where it's important. Then shunted to the wing and eventually down the league ladder.
Except I don't think he'll hit the same heights Emile did. He was a top class player for about 18 months...
Always wished him well and didn't begrudge him his move because I never thought he was good enough to be a first choice striker for a club with trophy ambitions.
In opinion Welbeck has three options
a- he accept a change in role. You simply can't have a striker who cannot score goals
b- he moves to a small club. I have mix feelings about that. Surely his pace and work rate would be appreciated especially in quick counters. Nevertheless small clubs produce few chances to score and those chances must be converted into goals.
c- he accepts a 2nd-3rd option role. Welbeck is useful to have around in some games (the club is struggling to protect a 1-0 lead and you need a striker whose hardworking and can hit them back with pace)
a- he accept a change in role. You simply can't have a striker who cannot score goals
b- he moves to a small club. I have mix feelings about that. Surely his pace and work rate would be appreciated especially in quick counters. Nevertheless small clubs produce few chances to score and those chances must be converted into goals.
c- he accepts a 2nd-3rd option role. Welbeck is useful to have around in some games (the club is struggling to protect a 1-0 lead and you need a striker whose hardworking and can hit them back with pace)
Welcome to Manchester United deary. John OShea, Philip Neville, Nicky Butt, Wes Brown, Darren Fletcher, ....we do love to overrate our homegrown talent.
OMFG
You guys wet yourselves over Phil fecking Neville?
You guys wet yourselves over Phil fecking Neville?
No one is saying that we wet ourselves over Phil Neville. However he was massively overrated when was at United.
Strange mix, Fletcher was slightly overrated but the rest.. Every one of them was a good servant to our club and was great in their role.
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I remember reading how Welbeck always saw himself playing for Arsenal. (If Danny is reading this and didn't say that, then my apologies)
In a lot of ways he was right, he does fit in well at Arsenal, athletic and skilful, but not very strong mentally and inconsistent.
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In a lot of ways he was right, he does fit in well at Arsenal, athletic and skilful, but not very strong mentally and inconsistent.
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All good, solid players, who played an important part in a lot of our recent success. Yet no United fan would ever have talked them up as being the best in the world (apart from, bizarrely, Pele's comments about Nicky Butt) What the feck are you on about them being overrated?
Well actually Pele was just one of many professionals who went overboard about these players. Don't you remember the 'if Rio is worth 18m then how much is Wes Brown worth....30m... quote? What about the numerous times these players were labelled as legends at MUTV? You said that they played an important role for our recent success. Do you seriously believe that the treble squad wouldn't have won a lot if we replaced the likes of Philip Neville and Nicky Butt with other random squad players? Do you think we wouldn't have won the 3rd CL without John Oshea?
In my opinion they were all squad players with great attitude. At times that attitude permitted them to overachieve (ex John Oshea first season or Fletcher's glory days. Nevertheless let us stop kidding ourselves. The players who were responsible to our great success were the likes of Paul Scholes, Cristiano Ronaldo, Ryan Giggs, Roy Keane etc....ie truly exceptional world class players who worked the magic. The rest should count themselves lucky to have been given an opportunity to play alongside such football geniuses because they would have had a pretty mediocre career without them.
Yeah, swap Butty out for John Greening and I'm sure we would have won in 99.
And once again my theory is confirmed (we overrate youth talent). The likes of John Greening and Luke Chadwick were never squad player level material. In my opinion comparing Greening with Butt is equally insulting as comparing Butt with Scholes.
To use your line of thought. I still believe we would have won the treble if we had Fletcher instead of Butt or John OShea instead of Philip Neville.
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Oh feck off you incessant bore, you know exactly what I meant. Nicky Butt made almost 400 appearances in a little under 10 full years with the first team squad properly. Won 6 league titles multiple FA Cups and a Champions League as well, Fletch, Phil, O'Shea and Wes all share similar records with us.
They might not be the greatest players around, but they are club legends, feck me, some of them are more decorated individually than most clubs in World Football.
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic..
Just because Welbeck is grossly overrated by some on here, it doesn't mean that every single good squad player over the years were also overrated. The likes of O'Shea, Brown and Butt were extremely valuable squad players - that were all first choice at some point - and they played a huge part in our past success.
That's the point. Squad players get games. They must be good enough to allow the first teamers to rest for a couple of matches. That's the difference between the likes of Butt and lets say Greening or Chadwick.
However we won honors because we had players like Scholes, Giggs, Keane, Stam etc. We owe them (+ SAF of course) everything. Without these sort of players United would be sitting comfortable in the mid EPL table and I am being extremely generous here.
He's looking as ineffective as he often did for us now that he's been pushed out wide again. I think he started well there when Giroud was injured. He's okay as a wide forward, but not great.
I'd like to see him play in a side where he's the main centre forward. Perhaps he could replace Lukaku at Everton when Lukaku makes his move to Real Madrid, or wherever he thinks he should be playing.
I'd like to see him play in a side where he's the main centre forward. Perhaps he could replace Lukaku at Everton when Lukaku makes his move to Real Madrid, or wherever he thinks he should be playing.
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