Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player

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I just can't understand why United or LVG would force him out, this whole idea seems to make no sense. Way before the Falcao link started it was out in the media that United wanted him to go to a smaller club (maybe on loan) but Welbeck was adamant on Spurs or Arsenal.

As far as I remember, Falcao himself said the deal was being worked on for months, so my guess is they approached Welbeck about it or visa versa.
 
I'll join the dark side and say...i recon Welbeck would have celebrated if he had scored yesterday.
 
Good luck with your crystal ball. At 23 (more probably 25 in Falcao's case), RvP had scored 10 in 50 league games for Arsenal and Falcao was a 1 in 3 striker for River Plate.
At 24 (which is the age Welbeck will be on 2 days), Falcao has scored as many goals in a season as Welbeck scored on his 4 years on EPL.

You may have a point about Van Persie. For what is worth, he was constantly injured which hampered his progress. When he was fit, he delivered, something that you can't say for Welbeck.
 
Surely at 24 a striker should be at the stage of honing and perfecting his skills rather than having to learn how to put the ball in the net?
 
At 24 (which is the age Welbeck will be on 2 days), Falcao has scored as many goals in a season as Welbeck scored on his 4 years on EPL.

You may have a point about Van Persie. For what is worth, he was constantly injured which hampered his progress. When he was fit, he delivered, something that you can't say for Welbeck.
Well I have a point about both - particularly if Falcao is +2. If you want to compare 24-year-olds you better wait a bit.
 
Well I have a point about both - particularly if Falcao is +2. If you want to compare 24-year-olds you better wait a bit.

Ok. See you on Wednesday.

And no, you don't have a point on Falcao considering that it is almost certain that +2 was a lie.
 
I'll join the dark side and say...i recon Welbeck would have celebrated if he had scored yesterday.


And why not? I wouldn't blame him.

I like Danny and I think he's made the right choice professionally in joining Arsenal. And I wouldn't hold it against him if he'd celebrate madly when scoring against us. That's not to say I'd wish he did it though.
 
He's doing what he did at United, flatter to deceive.
 
Good luck with your crystal ball. At 23 (more probably 25 in Falcao's case), RvP had scored 10 in 50 league games for Arsenal and Falcao was a 1 in 3 striker for River Plate.

Worst case scenario we just pick him back up from the nursery in 3-4 years when he can actually hit a barn door!
 
The problem with welbeck this season was he just wouldn't get many chances. First choice is obviously two of Rooney, Falcao and Rvp (Rooney **). After that, we have Wilson, but then we also have the option to only use 1 up top and have mata/Herrera/januzaj behind the striker. I'd still prefer that to welbeck up top. So really, what chances would welbeck get? He would never start as we don't have champions league football to rotate, all he would get would be sub's and would block Wilson's development, and comparing them as talents and potential, Wilson shits all over welbeck IMO.

So yes, we could have kept welbeck, but that would've done more harm then good for both Welbeck and United.
Its as simple as this. Yet somehow Welbeck would get chances in his favored position and actually do well there... In reality, he might have featured in a third of the games, only perhaps half of them up front.
 
In terms of output, He isn't any different from what United have in RVP or Falcao. I would even say that RVP is in even worse form.
 
In terms of output, He isn't any different from what United have in RVP or Falcao. I would even say that RVP is in even worse form.

That's the thing that people don't seem to recognise. Comparing Welbeck's normal standard to a horribly out of form RVP is stupid. If RVP continues in this form he'll be binned just like Welbeck.

No one is arguing that Welbeck wouldn't have been as productive as RVP thus far this season, as the latter is in the worst form of the last 5 years. Both of them haven't been up to the standards required at Man Utd and RVP will be flogged just like Welbeck if it continues.
 
The attacking line for Arsenal is Sanchez, Cazorla, Welbeck and Giroud.

Will Welbeck play on the flank with Cazorla central or will Cazorla play on the flank with Welbeck central?
 
In a 3 man midfield, as I can imagine Arsenal are playing today, Welbz has excelled in the left wing role, as he has shown for England in the past.

He'd obviously prefer to play up top, and he'll still get loads of opportunities to do that, but he has no problem playing on the left if it's not in a flat 442 as we used to use him.
 
In a 3 man midfield, as I can imagine Arsenal are playing today, Welbz has excelled in the left wing role, as he has shown for England in the past.

He'd obviously prefer to play up top, and he'll still get loads of opportunities to do that, but he has no problem playing on the left if it's not in a flat 442 as we used to use him.

Exactly. He made that clear in an interview when he was still with United.
 
It's been fine there for England.
Estonia, Slovenia, Norway, Scotland, San Marino. This level of opposition doesn't exist in the PL. Not saying he won't be a success there (hope he actually is for England's sake) but the two aren't exactly comparable.
 
If Ozil/Walcott are fit, Welbz will be 2nd choice once again. It will be

----------Giroud---------
Alexis-----Ozil---------Walcott

Cazorla will probably be second choice in the centre so out wide he will no doubt be facing competition from Oxlade-Chamberlain.
 
His individual scoring record is irrelevant so long as his flexibility is helping the team. Something overlooked by the muppets who use it against him.
If he wants to lead the line for a top club it really is.

Strikers (hell even right/left sided forwards) are based on their assists and goals, otherwise we'll start saying they had a good game because of a few flicks and runs here and there...
 
His individual scoring record is irrelevant so long as his flexibility is helping the team. Something overlooked by the muppets who use it against him.
But that's not the point is it? His individual scoring record IS relevant to him, and he will become restless when it starts to get questioned.
 
But that's not the point is it? His individual scoring record IS relevant to him, and he will become restless when it starts to get questioned.

No that's not the point. When did he ever discuss his own scoring record?

The point is he's happy playing wide so long as it's not a flat 442. He will score less frequently but that doesn't matter so long as he's helping the team regardless. Other than something to bear in mind if people insist on judging him by goals/game alone.
 
In a 3 man midfield, as I can imagine Arsenal are playing today, Welbz has excelled in the left wing role, as he has shown for England in the past.

He'd obviously prefer to play up top, and he'll still get loads of opportunities to do that, but he has no problem playing on the left if it's not in a flat 442 as we used to use him.
He's been pretty good there for England but has never really excelled on the wing at club level. He's just ineffective. Has a few nice touches but never looks a threat, doesn't create chances, doesn't get in chances to score. Up front he gets in those chances but we all know what his finishing is like, so yeah.

Give it a few weeks with everyone fit at arsenal and he'll be dropped there too. He's useful for his pressing, but as a player, he's just not as talented as the others they have and doesnt make a difference in games.
 
No that's not the point. When did he ever discuss his own scoring record?

The point is he's happy playing wide so long as it's not a flat 442. He will score less frequently but that doesn't matter so long as he's helping the team regardless. Other than something to bear in mind if people insist on judging him by goals/game alone.
I doubt he'd be too thrilled if he was stuck out wide consistently. Occasionally playing there would be fine for anyone, but he went to arsenal to play up front and now he'll lose his place as a striker because he just isn't a goalscorer, which is why we ended up selling him.
 
No that's not the point. When did he ever discuss his own scoring record?

The point is he's happy playing wide so long as it's not a flat 442. He will score less frequently but that doesn't matter so long as he's helping the team regardless. Other than something to bear in mind if people insist on judging him by goals/game alone.
You honestly think his scoring record doesn't bother him? He believes himself to be a striker, it matters.
 
Estonia, Slovenia, Norway, Scotland, San Marino. This level of opposition doesn't exist in the PL. Not saying he won't be a success there (hope he actually is for England's sake) but the two aren't exactly comparable.

You can only play what's in front of you. Sterling, Ox, Walcott (all natural wingers), and whoever else has been playing hasn't exactly been banging them in for England against that level of opposition, have they?

Also, Welbeck has played on the wing a lot more for England, and even though, at times he hasn't scored, he's put in good performances.

He's been pretty good there for England but has never really excelled on the wing at club level. He's just ineffective. Has a few nice touches but never looks a threat, doesn't create chances, doesn't get in chances to score. Up front he gets in those chances but we all know what his finishing is like, so yeah.

Give it a few weeks with everyone fit at arsenal and he'll be dropped there too. He's useful for his pressing, but as a player, he's just not as talented as the others they have and doesnt make a difference in games.

When has he had an opportunity at club level in a 3 man midfield?
 
On the wing/wing forward seems to be his best position and multiple managers seem to concur on that.
 
I've thought he's had a good game up to now.
That's what you get from Welbeck. A guy summed it up pretty well when he said in more or less words that Welbeck does everything on the pitch that makes it seem as if he had a good game when in fact he did feck all.
 
You can only play what's in front of you. Sterling, Ox, Walcott (all natural wingers), and whoever else has been playing hasn't exactly been banging them in for England against that level of opposition, have they?

Also, Welbeck has played on the wing a lot more for England, and even though, at times he hasn't scored, he's put in good performances.



When has he had an opportunity at club level in a 3 man midfield?
We didn't always play a 4-4-2 at United. There were plenty of occasions where we played a 4-2-3-1, which is essentially a very similar formation, and he was out wide, and just generally didn't do much. It's the story of welbecks career with United. He played loads of times, but got moved around because he simply wasn't good enough to hold down a position. Wherever he played, he generally gave the same impact. Hard work, great at taking the ball off defenders, good link up play and little flicks, but not much else.
 
Looking at Welbeck againt West Brom, I'm not too unhappy about selling him.

He's a good footballer and seems like a good guy, but something dramatic would have to happen for him to turn into a striker that can score enough goals to satisfy the demands of a top four club in the PL.
 
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