Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player

[freshibal]

You are so wrong.

Why?

Because there are question marks about his finishing, one hat-trick against Galatasaray is good and all, but he comes across a bit cocky saying yeah im looking forward to be sticking the ball in the back of the net every few sentences.

He also mentions nobody should be criticising his finishing because he hasnt been played as a forward all the time. Well neither were Rooney and Ronaldo and they still performed better.

Basically i feel he should just keep his head down and focus on his performances and not pointlessly put himself under the spotlight. There's a reason his finishing is scrutinised, theres no reason for him to be declaring anything right now.

First do the business and then talk.

 

[Godfather]

The time RvP, Falcao and Rooney are too old to play at the top level we will just buy the best strikers out there again, and Welbeck will never be one of them, so no worries.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I'd argue Ba at his peak age showing what he has, makes him a good 10th place team striker, Welbeck looks to already fit with Arsenal, who are 4th/5th at the age of 24 while not playing up top. Any comparisons you make are moot, wait for him to have a season up top before you tell me someone is better at it.

Oh dear. All the stats so far point to Ba being inferior or at the least on the same level. It's my opinion and there's nothing to disprove it. You're extremely arrogant by the way and seem to have a serious issue with diverse opinions.

 

[sajeev]

Oh dear. All the stats so far point to Ba being inferior or at the least on the same level. It's my opinion and there's nothing to disprove it. You're extremely arrogant by the way and seem to have a serious issue with diverse opinions.

on top revealing your ignorance about football, you don't seem to know what inferior mean

 

[Mogget]

The time RvP, Falcao and Rooney are too old to play at the top level we will just buy the best strikers out there again, and Welbeck will never be one of them, so no worries.

If that's the mentality you're happy with then you have to wonder why big clubs even bother having academies

 

[Massive Spanner]

If that's the mentality you're happy with then you have to wonder why big clubs even bother having academies

Strange comment. If a striker comes out of the academy with the ability to reach that sort of level, they won't be sold. There's no chance the club would sell Adnan, for example.

 

[m1y2]

Fair play to you if you think Welbeck will outscore Rooney, Falcao and Van Persie combined. But Rooney has 3 goals so far, with Van Persie 2. I would suggest that Welbeck's 4 goals doesn't mean he has outscored them so far just yet.

I believe he scored 2 for England as well, why not to count it too, its a proffesional match for your country, I am not sure if Rooney scored his all three goals since welbeck's departure. Because it is the time when he finally got his chance from minute 1, not like last 10 minutes of the game. It would be fair to count it from that point. I think he can outscore at least one of the three strikers we have and rather two and wouldn't be surprised if he outscored them all. Rooney obviously plays little bit deeper but he takes free kicks and penalties and there is no chance he would outscore them all together but right now hes got better numbers doesn't he?

 

[JustAFan]

This is getting nuttier by the day.

 

[Dante]

Welbeck would have been great in the wide striker role of our 4-diamond-2. Better than RvP, at any rate.

 

[gooDevil]

If that's the mentality you're happy with then you have to wonder why big clubs even bother having academies

Yeah, why would the most successful academy in England want to keep going...

 

[Dunk]

Meh, feck him. Never was good enough to play at the top level for Man United. Fair enough score a hat trick against the weakest team in the Champions League at home and of course he'll look good.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Immediately regret looking in here. Welbeck fanbois by far the worst.

Up there with the Rooney bashers in my opinion.

 

[Krovv]

At Arsenal we've already seen what Danny Welbeck was at United - inconsistent. If he gets regular games maybe he'll kick on but the fact is he wasnt going to get that here under Van Gaal, regardless of what people think.

Don't you think it's a bit early to call him inconsistent? The player I've seen so far has scored four in five games while still developing an understanding with his teammates. He's consistently worked hard and he never hides in a game. Couldn't do much more really. I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[m1y2]

"Arsenal's Danny Welbeck HITS BACK at Man Utd for sticking him on the wing"


Welbeck, 23, could not resist pointing out to Van Gaal that if he is played in the central striker's role he will score goals - not like at United where he was shunted to midfield.

"Nobody can really criticise my finishing because they don't really see me playing in a forward position too often," he said.

"But now I am getting into these positions I want to be sticking the ball in the back of the net. I'm sure it's the same with every other striker.

"Obviously people can say I've not scored enough goals, but you stick the best strikers on the wing in a four-man midfield and see if they score goals."

He predicted that he will score a lot more now that he is playing in a central role for Arsenal, who have the midfield talent to supply the ammunition.



He said: "I wouldn't say I feel different now. Maybe beforehand, sometimes I wasn't getting through on goal if I was coming from a four-man midfield. Obviously it's difficult to leave your position and go and get goal-scoring opportunities.

"But I'm getting into these positions much more regularly now, and I'm looking forward to sticking the ball in the back of the net.

"If you're getting goals and getting a run of games in your preferred position, your confidence is going to grow and performances are going to grow as well. That is something I am really looking forward to doing, building on those performances.

"When I am playing with these sorts of midfield players, they are looking to slip the ball in behind. I am always ready for that, looking to make the movement right and get in behind the defenders. Tonight I did that a couple of times and scored a few goals.

"I'm looking to build an understanding with the players and getting to know them better, it's good to play with these calibre of midfielders, they are only going to create chances."


http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...Arsenal-news-Manchester-United-Louis-van-Gaal

Shame we don't have quality striker with high speed and power, that's what welbeck is. I was completely out of my mind when Van Persie was about to recieve a through ball last match but he gave up because he was extremely slow. I wish we just had more different striekers who can stretch the play and make those runs behind the defense. we have quality midfielders to create such chances but not strikers. I believe Falcao is the closest to it but he is nothing compared to welbeck in terms of speed and strenght. Hope Wilson will overcome his injuries as he looks like someone solving this little problem we have now..

 

[Judge Red]

I'm happy for him. He's scoring Champions League hat-tricks when he would have struggled to get on our bench. He's not and never will be the new Henry but he's found a club that can return him to being the thinking man's Sturridge.

There was never going to be an outcome where it looked like a good sell. He's always put in a good shift, whether it was out of position for us or where he belongs for Arsenal.

 

[Kag]

Up there with the Rooney bashers in my opinion.

Welbeck has no "fanboys." The biggest problem in this thread are the juvenile virgins that steam into the thread every time he scores with sarcastic remarks about it being the end of the world, as if that's what a large amount of people have been suggesting.

Many people just happen to rate him, just as they did when he played at United. The only people with a problem are the immature weirdo's that are pretending posters have been suggesting things when they have not.

 

[AllezLesDiables]

Too early to tell after 5 games with Arsenal. Granted he does have 4 goals and 1 assist in 5 games with the Gunners. He's also fluffed a lot of prime chances as well.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

I believe he scored 2 for England as well, why not to count it too, its a proffesional match for your country, I am not sure if Rooney scored his all three goals since welbeck's departure. Because it is the time when he finally got his chance from minute 1, not like last 10 minutes of the game. It would be fair to count it from that point. I think he can outscore at least one of the three strikers we have and rather two and wouldn't be surprised if he outscored them all. Rooney obviously plays little bit deeper but he takes free kicks and penalties and there is no chance he would outscore them all together but right now hes got better numbers doesn't he?

Ah so you are counting England as well? Whatever to twist your argument I suppose.

I think he will definitely outscore at least two of our strikers if not all to be fair as he will likely play in more matches and has less competition, just don't think he will combined...

 

[Cassidy]

Too early to tell after 5 games with Arsenal. Granted he does have 4 goals and 1 assist in 5 games with the Gunners. He's also fluffed a lot of prime chances as well.

I would be more worried if a striker wasn't getting chances than he missed a few and still had 4 in 5 games.
Andy Cole used to miss quite a few chances for United too if I remember correctly. He will also improve his finishing with getting regular games up top and gaining more confidence with every goal he scores.

 

[AllezLesDiables]

I would be more worried if a striker wasn't getting chances than he missed a few and still had 4 in 5 games.
Andy Cole used to miss quite a few chances for United too if I remember correctly. He will also improve his finishing with getting regular games up top and gaining more confidence with every goal he scores.

I'm not sure he'll get that much better at be efficient. He's been fluffing sitters in some fairly spectacular ways for more than a few years now. He's even gotten more creative in his misses with Arsenal. He'll score more goals because he's playing as a striker and not as a wing, but I still don't think he's going to score 20 or more PL goals in any one season for Arsenal. Doesn't mean he doesn't have value, but I think his level is that of getting lots of minutes/starting for a top 3-6 club, which is still a high level it's just not at the level of leading the line for PL winner or Champions league top contender.

Arsenal hasn't been a club that lacks chances in the last few years, they've lacked a top end goal scorer. Welbeck gives them a different option than Giroud, but I don't see him being enough to carry Arsenal up another notch.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Everyone else is so fecking vocal in the media, why shouldn't Danny be? It's about time he stepped up and let everyone know how he feels. Everything he says in the article is true.

Actually, Sturridge was the same when he left Chelsea because he felt he wasn't given a fair chance to prove himself as a forward.

“I was never sure if I’d play as a striker [at Chelsea] because people didn’t believe in me,"

"I was often asked to play in a different position and to do a job for the team but, having been a striker and then being asked to just flick a switch and play on the wing was always going to be difficult, because mentally you’re going to play the way you always have and I play on instinct.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...the-cuff-in-central-striker-role-9106002.html

"I wasn't given a run of games, but if I had and I hadn't done the business as a central striker, I'd have said 'fair play'. But I'd get a game, I'd score two goals in the centre-forward position and then I'm on the bench for another four or five games. As a young player, there's only so much you can take, before you think, 'I'm not wanted here, I'm not loved here'".

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...ge-chelsea-didnt-give-me-a-chance_158112.html

 

[Varun]

Absolutely nothing wrong in what he's said. He'l go on to be a top player at Arsenal.

 

[MUFCpiffgawd]

Up there with the Rooney bashers in my opinion.

no i got no real problem with welbeck fanboys or detractors on here. Both raise fair points. What is funny however is seeing opposing fans who have called him sht for years suddenly change their minds like we haven't been telling them for years that any of our strikers were good enough to start for their teams.


I got banned from a liverpool forum for telling them both welbeck and hernandez were better than Carroll. The message i got when i was banned was: "we dont tolerate wums here"

 

[Robbie Boy]

on top revealing your ignorance about football, you don't seem to know what inferior mean

Righteo. So explain why exactly Welbeck is the better player? I really would like to know. I would say my football knowledge would far exceed yours, you smug fellow.

 

[sajeev]

Righteo. So explain why exactly Welbeck is the better player? I really would like to know. I would sy my football knowledge would far exceed yours, you smug fellow.

you don't have any idea of what my football knowledge is, so it is another logical blunder on your part to say any thing on those lines, whereas I am simply talking about the ignorance your posts displayed.
if you can't see it for yourself, I can't help you

 

[Rykker_4united]

This is a really, really horrible thread lol.

 

[Loublaze]

no i got no real problem with welbeck fanboys or detractors on here. Both raise fair points. What is funny however is seeing opposing fans who have called him sht for years suddenly change their minds like we haven't been telling them for years that any of our strikers were good enough to start for their teams.


I got banned from a liverpool forum for telling them either welbeck or hernandez was better than Carroll. The message i got when i was banned was: "we dont tolerate wums here"

Haha funny that! A lot of Liverpool supporting friends I have on Facebook now rate Welbeck all of a sudden! Not to the mention the Arsenal fans I knew who never rated him as well but are now calling him the next Henry

 

[Robbie Boy]

you don't have any idea of what my football knowledge is, so it is another logical blunder on your part to say any thing on those lines, whereas I am simply talking about the ignorance your posts displayed.
if you can't see it for yourself, I can't help you

You're the one wading in here like a smug idiot trying to be insulting because I obviously have a diverse opinion to your own.

If I have 'footballing ignorance' because I think a player that has shown himself to be a better player to Welbeck to date, because he has been, then wow, just wow.

I presume you're a Welbeck fanboi so I know there's no getting through to your kind. So be it. I'm ignorant and you know everything.

 

[Mogget]

I'm not sure he'll get that much better at be efficient. He's been fluffing sitters in some fairly spectacular ways for more than a few years now. He's even gotten more creative in his misses with Arsenal. He'll score more goals because he's playing as a striker and not as a wing, but I still don't think he's going to score 20 or more PL goals in any one season for Arsenal. Doesn't mean he doesn't have value, but I think his level is that of getting lots of minutes/starting for a top 3-6 club, which is still a high level it's just not at the level of leading the line for PL winner or Champions league top contender.

Arsenal hasn't been a club that lacks chances in the last few years, they've lacked a top end goal scorer. Welbeck gives them a different option than Giroud, but I don't see him being enough to carry Arsenal up another notch.

Is that the criteria for being a world class striker? Because Drogba only scored 20+ PL goals twice in his career. If Welbeck continues to improve his overall game then even if he scores between 15-20 he'll become a very good player.

 

[sajeev]

You're the one wading in here like a smug idiot trying to be insulting because I obviously have a diverse opinion to your own.

If I have 'footballing ignorance' because I think a player that has shown himself to be a better player to Welbeck to date, because he has been, then wow, just wow.

I presume you're a Welbeck fanboi so I know there's no getting through to your kind. So be it. I'm ignorant and you know everything.

its not that it is diverse. it is that it is simply stupid.

i don't mind being called an idiot by you. thanks for the pleasure. was fun conversing with you

 

[Steven Seagull]

You're the one wading in here like a smug idiot trying to be insulting because I obviously have a diverse opinion to your own.

If I have 'footballing ignorance' because I think a player that has shown himself to be a better player to Welbeck to date, because he has been, then wow, just wow.

I presume you're a Welbeck fanboi so I know there's no getting through to your kind. So be it. I'm ignorant and you know everything.

Please stop

 

[golden_blunder]

If he continues in this form i don't see Wenger dropping him. Giroud also appears to be a Wenger favourite, so if they both play Welbeck is more likely to be playing on the wing due to his flexibility. But only time will tell.

Either way he will be on the bench or the wing.

I think you're wrong. I believe Welbeck will go on to cement the posisition as his own now. His style compliments Ozil, Oxo, Sanchez, Wilshire etc perfectly. I have a feeling that Wenger will chuck in Walcott alongside him and have the quickest attack in the PL

 

[Oneunited26]

Real Madrid have sold so many players over the years, they probably have sold bigger and better players in their prime than what we have, like welbeck. We have to realize not every good player like welbeck is the right fit for united, he probably will have a good career at arsenal, but the sign of the times of united now is big name players playing. We are not that club anymore of 2009-13 who would welcome these hard working players like welbeck, over big money stars, the clubs mentality has shifted, and welbeck was a prime example those type of players the club are willing to sell on

 

[Il Prete Rosso]

I think you're wrong. I believe Welbeck will go on to cement the posisition as his own now. His style compliments Ozil, Oxo, Sanchez, Wilshire etc perfectly. I have a feeling that Wenger will chuck in Walcott alongside him and have the quickest attack in the PL

Ozil, Ramsey and others don't trust Giroud, you can see it on the pitch. Welbeck gives them that pace that Giroud lacks when trying to play through balls.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Is that the criteria for being a world class striker? Because Drogba only scored 20+ PL goals twice in his career. If Welbeck continues to improve his overall game then even if he scores between 15-20 he'll become a very good player.

you know I can see posts before you edited them, right?

Weird response, probably a good idea to delete it.

 

[Massive Spanner]

By the way, I've already handed out a warning for an insult in here. If people can't have a dignified debate in here without resorting to calling people idiots and ignorant and whatnot, I'll thread ban you.

 

[Americano]

Everyone else is so fecking vocal in the media, why shouldn't Danny be?

I find his comments completely reasonable. I only take issue with the timing. Yes, he's had a good game with a hat trick, but he wasn't speaking up after those horrendous misses. Maybe just wait until you've got a season or two behind you with some solid performances to air this out.

 

[m1y2]

Ah so you are counting England as well? Whatever to twist your argument I suppose.

I think he will definitely outscore at least two of our strikers if not all to be fair as he will likely play in more matches and has less competition, just don't think he will combined...

I am not twisting anything. I stated it from the comment one IRC. I don't see why we wouldn't count it. His record for England is very good lately either from his time at US or now at Arsenal. He gets his games as a striker where he should play as well as Falcao gets his time for Columbia even he is after long spell out, Rooney is an albions skipper as is Van Persei for the Dutch team. I don't know why people try to discredit him that much. He is just too good to be told he is shit. As you said he can outscore at least our two strikers doesn't i mean that we should keep him at the expense of one worse striker, no need to tell that all of them is going to be worse and in case of Van Persie its going to happen quite quick as he already looks useless in countless situations because he lack a lot of athleticism and willingness to work his socks for the team and these are attributes that makes modern football better, everyone needs to work 150% to make the team better. Welbeck is already more useful for the team than either of the three even he doesn't seem as clinical as them, CURENTLY as 23 YO. Van Gaal simply had no balls in this case but whatever I don't want to get back deeper this discussion I had since he had surprisingly moved to Arsenal. He deserves FULL credit and United fans should be happy for him as he is from our academy ranks and I just can't understand some poeple still slating him for some chances he misses as he is constantly proving all them wrong and yeah it's just the beginning..

 

[iBoss]

Too early to tell after 5 games with Arsenal. Granted he does have 4 goals and 1 assist in 5 games with the Gunners. He's also fluffed a lot of prime chances as well.

Also scored twice for England playing up top. He is doing well.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

I am not twisting anything. I stated it from the comment one IRC. I don't see why we wouldn't count it. His record for England is very good lately either from his time at US or now at Arsenal. He gets his games as a striker where he should play as well as Falcao gets his time for Columbia even he is after long spell out, Rooney is an albions skipper as is Van Persei for the Dutch team. I don't know why people try to discredit him that much. He is just too good to be told he is shit. As you said he can outscore at least our two strikers doesn't i mean that we should keep him at the expense of one worse striker, no need to tell that all of them is going to be worse and in case of Van Persie its going to happen quite quick as he already looks useless in countless situations because he lack a lot of athleticism and willingness to work his socks for the team and these are attributes that makes modern football better, everyone needs to work 150% to make the team better. Welbeck is already more useful for the team than either of the three even he doesn't seem as clinical as them, CURENTLY as 23 YO. Van Gaal simply had no balls in this case but whatever I don't want to get back deeper this discussion I had since he had surprisingly moved to Arsenal. He deserves FULL credit and United fans should be happy for him as he is from our academy ranks and I just can't understand some poeple still slating him for some chances he misses as he is constantly proving all them wrong and yeah it's just the beginning..

Actually he hadn't scored for England for a whole year before his 2 goals against Switzerland. So there is that myth that he is a prolific genius for England, I mean he did lose his place to Sturridge for a reason. Myth is harsh actually asl 10 goals in 28 games is a great return all in all.

I would say it is twisting the facts to include international goals but thats just a point of view. I would only look at club games largely as Falcao hasn't played for Columbia since May and so if you're going to count Welbeck's goals for England you may as well count Falcao's goals for Monaco in this concocted up comparisons.

I agree Welbeck isn't shit, don't take his criticisms on here to heart. I personally hope he cocks up now that he plays for Arsenal (and this is the main motivation for "he is shit" comments)but he is too good of a player for that to happen.