So actually it has nothing to do with trophies or money, but you're immense dislike for RVP? That's what happens when you're a fan of a smaller club, a bigger club takes your best players. Although I'm sure Southampton actually love supplying you with their top youth products- you know, products that they have nurtured and developed for 8+ years. I'm sure Barcelona also love you treating their youth setup like an arcade claw machine.
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So actually it has nothing to do with trophies or money, but you're immense dislike for RVP? That's what happens when you're a fan of a smaller club, a bigger club takes your best players. Although I'm sure Southampton actually love supplying you with their top youth products- you know, products that they have nurtured and developed for 8+ years. I'm sure Barcelona also love you treating their youth setup like an arcade claw machine.
He was a cu nt, we paid him for 8 years about 6 of which he spent in hospital. And then we don't even get a proper fee since runs down the contract. Indefensible. Of course, he could have stayed and probably won the league last year at Arsenal (at least the FA cup) and been a hero like Bergkamp or Henry instead of being a leper in N5 and a footnote at Man Utd.
agree with that
my concern/disappointment with letting Welbeck go, was never really about the goals. He hasnt scored a lot of goals for United (we can debate the reasons all day long), though he has shown the side to his game for England. My disappointment was based along the lines of the fact that his style and qualities were much different from what the other guys bring to the table. Danny's pace and movement would be an asset to any team, but particularly ours as we had become a bit static. He's also great at playing 1 touch stuff, flicks etc, he could have dovetailed with DiMaria and Herrera lovely. Instead we have to watch it at Arsenal
RVP is paceless and a bit static, great finisher on his day. You could say that Falcao has the same attributes, though his passing is probably better than RVP, and slightly quicker. Rooney, brilliant on his day but after that, what? Mata?
Welbeck would have been something different. I can somewhat understand the decision if Danny was just insistant that he wanted to leave, but he's a Manc, a red one at that. I'm sure with the right words he could have been convinced to stay, show him the vision for the future. But LVG gave him the 'meh' response. I honestly would have thought that Welbeck would have been a player that LVG would have enjoyed working with and would have improved his game. Im surprised he let him go (ok i know we brought Falcao in, but different type of player)
I've read this a lot (usually added to 'he'll be his Muller'), but always felt that it is a wishful thinking. One thing that Van Gaal likes at player, is intelligence, and Welbeck is far from an intelligent player. Technically he is okay/good, physically he is a beast but not a player who make the right decisions most of the time and whom uses properly his advantages. I never thought that Welbeck will be a Van Gaal favorite.
About him bringing other things than the rest of our strikers, again I don't fully agree. Obviously, if we play him as a main striker then yes (speed, power, dribbling) but that wasn't ever going to happen. As a winger/inside player Di Maria is significantly better than him on everything. Even Januzaj is better than him in most of the things for that position. I think that he might have been a useful backup, but that's it. I also guess that Van Gaal thought the same considering that he didn't fought to keep him. Only time would tell if it was the right decision or not, but bar the sentimental reasons, I think that definitely was the right decision to let him go.
Yeah, sure.Are all the players you sign from smaller clubs cnuts too? RVP got a chance to go to a bigger club and win the league, on process getting more money. He did that, and it is hard to argue with that decision.
£24m is a pretty good fee for a 29 year old with his injury record.
He'd have gone for double that if he hadn't run down his contract and insisted on choosing his destination club (She said: 'fu cked that up Robin, fu cked that up, O Robin fu cked that up').
Whut? The only 29 year old to ever command a fee like that was arguably the best European footballer ever. Absolutely no chance in hell.
Personally he reminds me more of Adebayor than Henry. I think Welbeck is more refined with his link play whereas Adebayor was more powerful in the air and in his hold up play. Both seem to look a bit awkward at times. Yes his second goal had shades of Henry at how he opened his body to slot it in but I don't think in general play they are similar.
All a bit premature comparing him to Henry imo.
I still love Danny, after Evra and Vidic left and Giggs retired he was my favorite United player.
As I said before, as long as we finish above them, and they don't knock us out of any cups, he can score 40 a season and I'll be delighted.
Maybe in two years when van Persie moves on we'll buy him back for 50 mil.
As I said before, as long as we finish above them, and they don't knock us out of any cups, he can score 40 a season and I'll be delighted.
Maybe in two years when van Persie moves on we'll buy him back for 50 mil.
I admire Pete's willingness to constantly try to wind people up. Who else is that consistent?
He might be a bot, he's so consistent.
Said when we signed him that he was the perfect signing for Wenger - the kind of number 9 player he's been looking for a few years and from what I've seen I've not been proved long.
He's just got everything we needed to lead the line for Arsenal. His movement is fantastic, he works hard, his game is polished but he doesn't drop too deep because he knows the service will come to him and he works his socks off and boy he's quick I knew he was quick but he's very very quick! I don't even think he's a bad finisher if I'm being honest - chamakh, gervinho, Bendner they were bad finishers, Danny's maybe not a natural finisher but that doesn't mean he can't score many goals!
Early days but I'd say it's quite likely you will end up regretting it. Before anyone throws out the why would regret it when we have Falcao, Rooney etc I'm talking about selling him to Arsenal. As painful as it was to see RVP leave in reality we didn't have too much choice. You were the team he wanted to go to and he only had 1 more year left in his contact we were never going to let RvP leave on a free - it's just not how we operate. I know Welbeck said he wanted to join Arsenal but you could have prevented it - you could even argue you done a great thing for the lad by letting him go to the club of his choice but it's amazing how often those decisions in life can come back and bite you.
He's just got everything we needed to lead the line for Arsenal. His movement is fantastic, he works hard, his game is polished but he doesn't drop too deep because he knows the service will come to him and he works his socks off and boy he's quick I knew he was quick but he's very very quick! I don't even think he's a bad finisher if I'm being honest - chamakh, gervinho, Bendner they were bad finishers, Danny's maybe not a natural finisher but that doesn't mean he can't score many goals!
Early days but I'd say it's quite likely you will end up regretting it. Before anyone throws out the why would regret it when we have Falcao, Rooney etc I'm talking about selling him to Arsenal. As painful as it was to see RVP leave in reality we didn't have too much choice. You were the team he wanted to go to and he only had 1 more year left in his contact we were never going to let RvP leave on a free - it's just not how we operate. I know Welbeck said he wanted to join Arsenal but you could have prevented it - you could even argue you done a great thing for the lad by letting him go to the club of his choice but it's amazing how often those decisions in life can come back and bite you.
fickle fans.Adebayor was/is a very good striker. His work rate drops from time to time but there's so few strikers that can give what Adebayor can leading your line. He really should have been world class given the talent that he has.
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He sacrificed playing wide for two years, on top of being with the club since he was knee high to a grasshopper, I think he deserved the chance to go to a top club if he wasn't going to start up top.
Being a United supporter, I bet we could buy him back in 2-3 years if we offered him a starting role.
Also, it's nice to be on buying and selling terms with a top club, we can't treat everyone like we treat Liverpool in the transfer market.
Not to worry. Length isn't everything.
I was thinking last night how awful it would of been watching him play like that if we had just loaned him, so glad that didn't happen! Regarding him going back who knows what the future holds if you went back to your old winning ways and we stayed as a club just battling for the top 4 then maybe, however I hope he's here for the long run! What's quite exciting about the new batch of young player we've got is many are British so the only teams we have to fear that could take us off them is the top English ones. Not like when we had players like Fabregas, Van Persie and Nasri who you felt a Barca/Real/ Juve could come in and nick at any time.
Shocking decision to sell Welbeck. Ruined my summer transfer window.
Well you put the moron in oxymoron back there.
If he was a defender and was turning in top class performances then i'd be gutted, and wonder what the club was up to, but we are stacked up front and if he was still with us it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to us atm.
Never really thought he could cut as the main striker when he was here, and could just be he needed the move to freshen him up, and give him some belief, be interesting to see if he can sustain it.
Never really thought he could cut as the main striker when he was here, and could just be he needed the move to freshen him up, and give him some belief, be interesting to see if he can sustain it.
That's not true. He's more athletic than any of the forwards we've been left with.
I'd have preferred him on the pitch while we were struggling against Leicester as when we had the ball he would have given us an option to play the ball down the flanks and retain possession. Without the ball he would have worked harder than any of our other forwards closing down and tracking runs.
It's stupid to claim we're not missing out on anything when he's faster, fitter and stronger than any of our forwards.
Look, bottom line is Danny wanted to play as the main striker, rightly, or wrongly he never had a hope in hell of doing that at United, personally I say rightly, and to keep him to do the odd bit of donkey work when we are struggling to keep the ball in a game, would have been wrong.
Main issue people have is that we sold him to direct rival, and in that I agree.
Hope you stick around Redcafe after Arsenal's match against Chelsea.
I know, one trophy in ten years sure put me in my place, old buddy.
You ruthless trophy hunters, you.
Is that what Ferguson was doing giving him all those starts in our toughest games? He was often our best player in away games where it's going to be difficult, you're delusional if you think it'll all be plain sailing just putting out a team with better attacking players than the opposition.
Was sending Welbeck on loan and selling Hernandez ever a possibility? I think most of us would have preferred that.
We do lack some pace in our team with Mata, RvP, Falcao and even Rooney all being slower than Welbeck. Falcao is more clinical but I think Arsenal got the better deal. Only 16m for a young English striker. I know, I need to harden the feck up.
We do lack some pace in our team with Mata, RvP, Falcao and even Rooney all being slower than Welbeck. Falcao is more clinical but I think Arsenal got the better deal. Only 16m for a young English striker. I know, I need to harden the feck up.
I expect us to win and me to be lording it sometime early on Monday morning if my hangover permits.
Yup perhaps Wenger will finally nail it on the 12th attempt against Mourinho.
Don't believe I said that, I said Danny wanted to be the main striker, and he'd quite rightly had his fill of been a bit part player, who gets shoved here there, and everywhere in games, and that personally I didn't rate him highly enough to do that at United, so he had to go.
Yes Fergie played him in some big games, and although he had loads of energy, his scoring record was rubbish, and his first/second touch was often rubbish too, if he gets all these things together at Arsenal then fair play to him, the fresh start will have obviously worked for him.
Wut?
Great goals for the hattrick. Happy for the lad. He is going to be good for the Gunners.
Erm, Wenger hasn't won a game against Mourinho in 11 games or something so far in his career...
First time for everything. We need the arse to win anyway. Don't want Chelsea running away with it.
I can remember us beating them 3-1 at home a couple of years ago (I had the correct score at 28/1 and Rosicky burst through in the last minute, hit the post and nearly made it 4 - unlucky Tom!). We also done them 3-5 at the Bridge not that long ago.
Would prefer a Chelsea win though as I find Liverpool and Arsenal to be our direct competitors this season. A draw would also be great though.
I don't know about the 3-1 but the 3-5 definitely wasn't against Mourinho. It was against AVB's nightmare highline defense.
Yes, I think RVP scored a hat-trick that game if I'm not mistaken. However, Mourinho wasn't in charge of Chelsea at that time. Wenger is yet to beat Mourinho's Chelsea in 11 games.
Yeah, Mourinho wasn't in charge of Chelsea for those matches. There's no chance of us getting anything from the game this weekend.
Yes it's all about celeb managers, we're doomed.
Agreed, if deals can be made that benefit both parties (however unlikely) then why not?
"Arsenal's Danny Welbeck HITS BACK at Man Utd for sticking him on the wing"
Welbeck, 23, could not resist pointing out to Van Gaal that if he is played in the central striker's role he will score goals - not like at United where he was shunted to midfield.
"Nobody can really criticise my finishing because they don't really see me playing in a forward position too often," he said.
"But now I am getting into these positions I want to be sticking the ball in the back of the net. I'm sure it's the same with every other striker.
"Obviously people can say I've not scored enough goals, but you stick the best strikers on the wing in a four-man midfield and see if they score goals."
He predicted that he will score a lot more now that he is playing in a central role for Arsenal, who have the midfield talent to supply the ammunition.
He said: "I wouldn't say I feel different now. Maybe beforehand, sometimes I wasn't getting through on goal if I was coming from a four-man midfield. Obviously it's difficult to leave your position and go and get goal-scoring opportunities.
"But I'm getting into these positions much more regularly now, and I'm looking forward to sticking the ball in the back of the net.
"If you're getting goals and getting a run of games in your preferred position, your confidence is going to grow and performances are going to grow as well. That is something I am really looking forward to doing, building on those performances.
"When I am playing with these sorts of midfield players, they are looking to slip the ball in behind. I am always ready for that, looking to make the movement right and get in behind the defenders. Tonight I did that a couple of times and scored a few goals.
"I'm looking to build an understanding with the players and getting to know them better, it's good to play with these calibre of midfielders, they are only going to create chances."
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...Arsenal-news-Manchester-United-Louis-van-Gaal
Welbeck, 23, could not resist pointing out to Van Gaal that if he is played in the central striker's role he will score goals - not like at United where he was shunted to midfield.
"Nobody can really criticise my finishing because they don't really see me playing in a forward position too often," he said.
"But now I am getting into these positions I want to be sticking the ball in the back of the net. I'm sure it's the same with every other striker.
"Obviously people can say I've not scored enough goals, but you stick the best strikers on the wing in a four-man midfield and see if they score goals."
He predicted that he will score a lot more now that he is playing in a central role for Arsenal, who have the midfield talent to supply the ammunition.
He said: "I wouldn't say I feel different now. Maybe beforehand, sometimes I wasn't getting through on goal if I was coming from a four-man midfield. Obviously it's difficult to leave your position and go and get goal-scoring opportunities.
"But I'm getting into these positions much more regularly now, and I'm looking forward to sticking the ball in the back of the net.
"If you're getting goals and getting a run of games in your preferred position, your confidence is going to grow and performances are going to grow as well. That is something I am really looking forward to doing, building on those performances.
"When I am playing with these sorts of midfield players, they are looking to slip the ball in behind. I am always ready for that, looking to make the movement right and get in behind the defenders. Tonight I did that a couple of times and scored a few goals.
"I'm looking to build an understanding with the players and getting to know them better, it's good to play with these calibre of midfielders, they are only going to create chances."
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...Arsenal-news-Manchester-United-Louis-van-Gaal
He's right to be upset about us sticking him on the wing all the time.
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