We treated him like sh*t because he was one of our own and not a Jorge Mendes recommended mercenary.
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Yup. Bebe and previously Nani were given the royal treatment indeed.
That was a Spurs trait back in the day, they quickly slagged homegrown players and gave massive latitude to expensive signings. Was the other way with Man Utd or Arsenal who would support the local lads to the hilt ( and fork me sideways lots of them came through)
Is this the one you're talking about? If so it wasn't Mourinho who managed Chelsea at the time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/9309539.stm
Ultimately I don't think Welbeck will ever be good enough to be the main striker for a title winning side considering what's come before him - Rooney, van Persie, Drogba, Aguero, Henry, Bergkamp, van Nistelrooy - so I can see why we sold him, but it still pisses me off no end. He could easily be the supporting striker at the level of someone like Saha, Anelka or Cole who all played huge roles in their title wins. He's definitely capable of having a similar impact to our last great homegrown striker. Like Sparky he may never score 25+ goals but he can still play a big role in a title winning team.
Cannot say he is wrong.
He's right. The article is wrong. The comment about playing wide in a four man midfield, was more about how Moyes used him than anything aimed at Van Gaal.
Although I guess you could argue he was pointing out that Van Gaal should have taken this into account when talking about his United career so far. What I don't get is why someone like Giggs couldn't convince Van Gaal to find a way to hold onto Welbeck. Although by all accounts our new manager is a stubborn cnut, so that may not have been possible.
The comments about midfielders are damning. Such a pity he didn't get to play in front of Herrera and Di Maria. The combination of his pace with their eye for a pass would have been excellent for us.
Although I guess you could argue he was pointing out that Van Gaal should have taken this into account when talking about his United career so far. What I don't get is why someone like Giggs couldn't convince Van Gaal to find a way to hold onto Welbeck. Although by all accounts our new manager is a stubborn cnut, so that may not have been possible.
The comments about midfielders are damning. Such a pity he didn't get to play in front of Herrera and Di Maria. The combination of his pace with their eye for a pass would have been excellent for us.
Treated him like shit?
Yes nurturing him since he was a kid, giving him a chance to play professional football and then to go on and represent his country in the World Cup. And to cap it all off we let him go to the club he wanted to go to despite being direct rivals. Yes we really did 'treat him like sh*t'. Welbeck lovers are getting even more cringeworthy.
It's frustrating because, in my opinion, we've had the best we'll ever get from RvP. At his age and with his injury record I think we'll have to replace him sooner rather than later. Added to the fact neither Rooney nor Falcao are especially young then it might be seen as short-sighted. Of course if Wilson trains on and take Welbeck's place it'll look okay in retrospect.
Immediately regret looking in here. Welbeck fanbois by far the worst.
To a point. Wilson's still 5 years younger than Danny, has had his share of injury problems and is also a skinny length of rope. We might have had to replace all three of the most senior strikers by the time he turns the corner in the same way that Welbeck has done these last 12 months (seems to have, anyway)
Can't really disagree with that. But you'd assume that by the time that happens he'll be well on his way and we should still be getting goals out of the strikers that are already here, so with a signing or two it might not be an issue.
He comes across quite bitter in his interviews, he's never said a good word or a thanks to the club that pretty much made him and the constant indirect digs at our midfield.
Wayne Rooney was played in all sorts of positions including wide in a 4 man midfield, but he got on with it still scored goals and now is the captain of the club. Welbeck didn't want to hang around and try to force his way as a central striker or didn't want to go out on loan to prove his worth either. I can understand he wanted to leave which is fair enough but at the same time he didn't show any patience or will to fight for a place, especially in a time when Rooney is likely to drop deeper into midfield and RVP is coming close to no longer being a first choice.
The funny thing about this is all is when Giroud is back he will be shifted to the wing anyway.
Yeah. Hopefully.
I'll always maintain that we could have held onto Welbeck and shipped Van Persie out this summer or next and had the perfect mix up front in terms of age and attributes but meh, we hired the Dutch NT coach. That was never going to happen.
That fits with all the rumours about how this whole thing panned out.
He can be justifiably bitter if they're true.
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What a load of rubbish. Fans whinge when the cub lack ambition yet when they go out and makea big statement in securing one of the worlds top players they whinge as well.
Welbeck wasn't getting a regular start even before Falcao so there's every chance he'd have wanted to move on in the near future anyway. The manager has to pick his best side and clearly he feels that that particular side wouldnt have Danny Welbeck in it. That's football I'm afraid and nobody shoul get specialist treatment just because they were born down the road and have been with the club years. You take that route you end up with average when we need top quality.
This thread is going to be absolutely chronic. Everytime he has a half decent pefromance he'll be the next Thierry Henry and when he's crap it'll be a great thing we moved him on.
He's an up and down player and for me isn't likely ever to be top class in the sense that Rooney and RVP are. If he proves me wrong then fair play to him but he was never going to reach that level playing second fiddle to Rooney and RVP anyway, both of whom are better players as things stand at a time we need to be winning games first and foremost.
No, he won't. We have better options there. He'll only play as a striker and right now his performances are better than anything Giroud has shown.
This must have been posted about a hundred frigging times already. This thread is just like any other. Differing opinions, with opposing camps seizing on whatever events fit their position.
Just like every other thread, in the fullness of time it will become apparent which camp was closest to the truth. This usually involves in people who have been arguing to the contrary never posting in the thread again, with a noble minority fronting up and admitting they were wrong.
It's the way of the caf. Do people really need to keep pointing it out? If this thread (or any other) bothers people they don't need to read/post in it. I've been keeping the feck out of the Pogba thread for exactly that reason.
I disagree that Van Persie is a better player as things stand fwiw. He definitely hasn't been so far this season, with a real possibility we've seen the best of him already. That might change over the next few months. I certainly hope it does. Will be excruciating to watch my suspicions be confirmed.
If he continues in this form i don't see Wenger dropping him. Giroud also appears to be a Wenger favourite, so if they both play Welbeck is more likely to be playing on the wing due to his flexibility. But only time will tell.
Either way he will be on the bench or the wing.
I was at the game reminding Ancelotti of his meeting with Roman in the morning.
That performance was absolutely clinical, barring a late Ivanovic goal.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Giggs was one of the approvers of selling Welbeck. Not in a malicious way but because he likely rated Wilson higher. My thinking is based in part on Giggs decision to hand out a debut to Wilson despite there being no real reason to do so.
Interesting how you credit AVB's failure (3-5) to Mourinho.
Mourinho actually has an unbeaten record against Arsene's Arsenal.
Mourinho is tactically superior to Arsene Wenger. And I hate Chelsea, but facts are facts.
Big game for Welbeck this weekend against Chelsea, I thought he disappeared against an organised Spurs team.
They ruin my day, sometimes my whole week when I look in this thread. I've tried limiting my viewing time in here after his hat trick against the super Galatasary.
This.
I have no issue with people having opinions, its the whole point of the site. Its the constant knee jerk reactions I find tedious. One decent game doesn't make a season and you're dead right, it'll take time before anyone knws whether this was a good or bad deal for the club.
As it stands with RVP the fact that he has such a good relationship with Van Gaal is one major reason why I personally think this wqas the right move. The manager clearly didnt rate him and he needs to be backed, because of hsi experience and because its the best way for the club to be run going forward.
At Arsenal we've already seen what Danny Welbeck was at United - inconsistent. If he gets regular games maybe he'll kick on but the fact is he wasnt going to get that here under Van Gaal, regardless of what people think.
Absolute nonsense.
Where are these "interviews" that he has come across bitter? I'd like to see/read them.
Have you watched his interview with Sky Sports? when questioned about United struggling, he wished our players all the best. He said United's support is unbelievable, and that they'll be backing the players till the end.
He may have stated several times that he wasn't played in his preferred position, but it's the truth. It's not being bitter.
The season was a write off anyway so why not try out a few young players, finally give us something to be happy about at OT.
The conspiracy theorists will say we didn't want to win those games as our squad couldn't cope with the Europa League on a Thursday.
Giggs birth name was Wilson, from his past indiscretions I wouldn't be surprised if he's got a whole youth team of kids out there, this could be one of them?
Not seen too much of Welbeck, up front especially, but i get the feeling that against packed defences at home Giroud's ability to play with his back to goal and bring midfield runners into play might make him the better option against certain opponents.
Whereas Welbeck's movement and running power might suit playing away more, Giroud's lack of mobility was a problem at times away from home.
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He's inferior to Demba Ba and I honestly believe that Ba would have been a better / cheaper signing for Arsenal. That's the kind of level that Welbeck is at. Owen scored a hat trick for us in the CL before, Bendtner and Mitroglu have also done the same for other clubs. Please, just stop glorifying Welbeck. He's a good player but he's not better than what we have and he's gone now. It's no great loss and time to move on.
Comes across as a bit of a dick I feel.
Which part was wrong? It was all factually correct. My opinion is that Ba is inferior. That's my opinion. Welbeck is nothing more than a good player and is in similar company to the likes of Ba and Lukaku.
Well the parts about Mitroglu and Bendtner were indeed factually correct. He has never shown he is more than a 'good' player so nothing wrong with that. The rest is my opinion. It can't be wrong unless I get proved wrong. Lets see how the season goes for Welbeck first, eh. Then come back and call people's opinions 'wrong'. FWIW, Ba has shown far more in the PL than Welbeck ever has.
I'd argue Ba at his peak age showing what he has, makes him a good 10th place team striker, Welbeck looks to already fit with Arsenal, who are 4th/5th at the age of 24 while not playing up top. Any comparisons you make are moot, wait for him to have a season up top before you tell me someone is better at it.
Hope he celebrates mad if/when he scores against us, face expression like this:-
And everything, other than coming through the academy and being from Manchester, Welbeck has no particular strong bonds with United in a professional sense.
And everything, other than coming through the academy and being from Manchester, Welbeck has no particular strong bonds with United in a professional sense.
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