Danny Welbeck 2015/16

Comparing him with Martial is missing the point. They could both play. Compare him with the players that were considered ahead of him Falcao and the aging RVP. LVG fecked up. That's all there is to it.
 
Only needs 10 chances and he'll find the net.
 
This reminds me a little of when Pogba scored a good goal for Juventus, the same old discussions would pop up about how Utd were wrong to let him go except that Pogba has a much much brighter future than Welbeck. Welbeck is at his truly best a good player but an average one overall, you would think we let go of a superstar by reading some comments.
 
SteveW said:
Comparing him with Martial is missing the point. They could both play. Compare him with the players that were considered ahead of him Falcao and the aging RVP. LVG fecked up. That's all there is to it.
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Indeed. Last year United had a front 3 of Rooney, Van Persie and Falcao. Has to be the most immobile front line a so called top team
has ever assembled.
 
togg said:
Yes but he wasn't happy being just a squad player, he wanted to be in the team all the time. We couldn't have given him that.
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In hindsight we would have been better off with him as a fixture in the side. Even as a dodgy finisher his pace, athleticism and work rate would be better than Rooney and Mata and Depay.
 
kouroux said:
This reminds me a little of when Pogba scored a good goal for Juventus, the same old discussions would pop up about how Utd were wrong to let him go except that Pogba has a much much brighter future than Welbeck. Welbeck is at his truly best a good player but an average one overall, you would think we let go of a superstar by reading some comments.
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He is no superstar but the best Manchester born player for ages. This should mean something.
 
I like Danny Welbeck.

Looking very sharp, scoring goals and never gives less than 100%. Those of you rubbishing him can't tell me he wouldn't make an improvement to your current team. A big mistake getting rid of him (and Rio Ferdinand also shares that view). Well done LVG. You know how to turn a silk purse into a pigs ear.
 
togg said:
Yes but he wasn't happy being just a squad player, he wanted to be in the team all the time. We couldn't have given him that.
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Yes we could, he is easily good enough to be a starter in a top team(let alone in our team). He was doing his job great for Fergie, is one of the rare ones that played for Moyes and is always producing for the national team(not talking about the goals). Great talent and even better attitude but its not really surprising that people doesnt rate him. He is an attacking player with pretty limited end product and for most people, end product is the most important thing, specially with attacking players.
He can do a job in attack(as he showed today) but he isnt a striker, never was and probably never will be. His best position is a supporting striker in a 2 men attack or a left wide player. In this two positions you get the most out of his talents as his movement off the ball is second to none - quality that he loses when moved to a lone striker. The movement then is still solid/good but not special as it is when he isnt playing as a striker.
But it isnt only that, he is a team player first and for most and while his finishing isnt really a strong suit he is not as bad as people think. He doesnt waste a lot of balls as he doesnt shoot very often, most of the time he is looking for a pass. He is great at combining with others, specially in tight spaces and he works his ass of every single game, today he tracked back probably more then Ozil and Iwobi combined and its their job to track back as they are midfielders. Lacks selfishness and arrogance to be a quality striker, he is just to damn nice....
He is what i call a balance player. For every special player that will lead the team and produce magic you need a player that will keep it simple, make sacrificing runs and work hard and there arent many that are better then Danny in that.
 
When you have players who are starting every week for United and are far worse players than him then of course people will miss him. Just comparing him with Martial is stupid because Martial is pretty much our best player, plus both of them would have place in this team. And Martial costed us stupid money(it was worth it, no doubt though).

Just when you think that we payed for Fellaini around 30m pounds and sold Welbeck for around 15 it's more than enough to make United look stupid. And Fellaini isn't the only one. There's Darmian, Rojo, Memphis, etc. All those players except Memphis are at pretty much in their peak years and they are nowhere near good enough for us. But let's not give Welbeck a chance and sell him to our rivals where he can knock us out of different competitions.
 
I like him but he's not good enough to lead the line for a team hoping to challenge for titles, which is what he wanted.
 
I would have loved to see a 4411, with Welbeck slightly behind Martial, in like a second striker role.

I think because Welbz works so hard, it would allow us to play with two uptop, as he could drop onto the deepest midfield, when the oppositon are in possession - similar to what he did against Real Madrid, when he marked Alonso out the game, but having the energy to get forward and be a threat.

Having seen Watford, and especially Leicester in the Premier League do so well with a 4411 makes me desperate to see what we could have achieved with two players such as Welbeck and Martial up top.
 
togg said:
Yes but he wasn't happy being just a squad player, he wanted to be in the team all the time. We couldn't have given him that.
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He was told as 4th choice striker. Considering at that time we only played with 1 striker, his prime age, and future spot as England striker, his decision to move was a sensible one.

The decision to make him 4th choice though. All things considered, that was an awful one.
 
togg said:
Yes but he wasn't happy being just a squad player, he wanted to be in the team all the time. We couldn't have given him that.
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We absolutely could. We dropped him for RVP, Falcao and Rooney. The first two were gone a year later and Rooney's legs went with them.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Future intention? Well, so far he's another example of a United player who left, only to be replaced by worse.
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That's exactly why put the word 'future' there.

Most of the players we got rid of were deservingly done so(A lot of them had stagnated, see Nani for example) and the move was best for both parties.

We have done a poor job of replacing them, or in some cases never even bothered too.

You are right.

I dont think that invalidates getting rid though. I view that as two different things, with the second (replacement) being an absolute failure.
 
David Court said:
I like Danny Welbeck.

Looking very sharp, scoring goals and never gives less than 100%. Those of you rubbishing him can't tell me he wouldn't make an improvement to your current team. A big mistake getting rid of him (and Rio Ferdinand also shares that view). Well done LVG. You know how to turn a silk purse into a pigs ear.
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The big mistake was not doing enough to replace him in the squad.

If Arsenal want to be top dogs again they will have find a world class striker, which Welbeck isn't.
 
We could use him right now but we could also use Hernandez who is has had a much more impressive season than Welbeck. Fact is, noone saw Falcao, RVP and eventually Rooney bombing the way they did. And there's no telling whether these players would be as good in our mess of a team.

Overall, I simply can't be too fussed about Welbeck leaving. He's just not the level of player whose leaving is a huge miss. Someone like Pogba on the other hand continues to keep reminding us of what we're missing out on.
 
He and Martial would have dovetailed nicely as split strikers. Speed, movement, interplay and dribbling. That opens up defences. Luckily Rashford looks a gem so in the future we may not regret but Welbeck would certainly start for us in the current state of affairs.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
He is no superstar but the best Manchester born player for ages. This should mean something.
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No it shouldn't. If there are 11 better players not from manchester and a manchester born player is the first player after those 11 in the team sheet, that doesn't mean he deserves to start just because he's from Manchester...

At the time I wanted Welbeck to stay, but I do back the decision in hindsight to let him go. The players we got in to replace them though, should have been better.
 
Danny boy couldn't finish. A forward striker who frets with indecisiveness in front of goal. Who had reserved spots in the team for being a local lad.
He came around when he was 19/20 age and maintained pretty much that level even when he became 23/24. Rightly got sold.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Danny boy couldn't finish. A forward striker who frets with indecisiveness in front of goal. Who had reserved spots in the team for being a local lad.
He came around when he was 19/20 age and maintained pretty much that level even when he became 23/24. Rightly got sold.
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Pretty sure he starts for 3rd placed team in the league/our rivals because he is a Manc.
 
He'd be useful in our current team.

However, the key point is that our current team isn't at the level we should be aiming to be at.
 
I wonder how many of you would actually have Welbeck over a new CF signing.
 
MDFC Manager said:
He'd be useful in our current team.

However, the key point is that our current team isn't at the level we should be aiming to be at.
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because he wasnt playing for United when we were winning things......
 
golden_blunder said:
Horseshit. Vardy is 29 already. There's no reason to think that welbeck can't hit a purple patch as well at some point.
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No reason to think anyone can't have world class season in the PL then. Maybe Benteke will be PFA player of the season next year.
 
Welbeck would walk into this United team. LvG's worst decision amongst many others to sell a quality home grown Manchester lad.
 
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