Football takes into account more than "just" the player's ability fortunately.Because if it was only about that then in every single aspect Balotelli is better than Welbeck but I know I prefer to have Danny in the team without a single doubt.
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It's pretty clear what I said.
edit: Ah, you removed your examples because you realised you'd fecked up, well done, very honest.
Just to correct the examples you did delete. Mario Gomez turned 21 at the end of the 05/06 season, during which he scored 8 goals in 38 games, and Fernando Llorente turned 21 in the same season, during which he scored 4 goals in 25 games.
Mark Hughes never scored more than 15 league goals in a season (where he played 41 league matches). The most goals he managed in one season was 21 where 6 came from the League Cup.
His goal ratio for United was 1 goal just over every 3 games.
Probably didn't play 39 league games either though.
So basically.. Welbeck scores almost as many from open play per game, has more key passes per game, has a higher passing accuracy, contributes VERY well defensively and isn't a liability..
but because Balotelli is more skilled and occassionally has a world class game he's seen as brilliant but troubled while Welbeck is average and nowhere near good enough for a top club.
Sounds about right.
but because Balotelli is more skilled and occassionally has a world class game he's seen as brilliant but troubled while Welbeck is average and nowhere near good enough for a top club.
Sounds about right.
I wasn't aware Stuttgart were a fourth division club.
Yeah, no sense compiling 2-3, making the full list and posting them here.
Orton's right, actually, I wrongly put the season that Torres turned 22.
edit: Jesus, lynk, it's right fecking here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Gómez#Career_statistics
Read it, he turned 21 in 05/06, and he scored 8 goals in 38 games that season.
edit: Jesus, lynk, it's right fecking here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Gómez#Career_statistics
Read it, he turned 21 in 05/06, and he scored 8 goals in 38 games that season.
Finally some of you are realizing that Welbeck just isn't that good.
Not right now anyway, he shouldn't be anywhere near the starting lineup ahead of Hernandez. Thus, if given the chance to start either him or Hernandez, Hernandez should come on every single time. He's just better than Welbeck, period.
Not right now anyway, he shouldn't be anywhere near the starting lineup ahead of Hernandez. Thus, if given the chance to start either him or Hernandez, Hernandez should come on every single time. He's just better than Welbeck, period.
Anyway, the point of all that is, in case some people can't tell, that most players don't become prolific until a few years into their career. As such, using his goal return last season as a stick to beat Danny with is a joke, and that's even before you consider the precise nature of the role he played last year.
You're literally refusing to read my posts, right? Just in case you are compling some kind of list of your own, I'm going to make it very clear to you.
MY STATS ARE BASED ON THE SEASON IN WHICH THE PLAYER TURNED 21
Like, y'know, Welbeck did last season.
MY STATS ARE BASED ON THE SEASON IN WHICH THE PLAYER TURNED 21
Like, y'know, Welbeck did last season.
Do people still think Balotteli's this World Class player? I've never failed to get it more with a player.
16 in 30 overall, and they won the Bundesliga. Not exactly a 4th division club
Out of ideas aren't you? Thought so.
No one is saying he's world class, he's better than Welbeck though.
No? I'm not making up facts and figures to make Welbeck seem better than he is.
Which of my facts is wrong, Lynk? You've already suggested two, and then hastily deleted them when you realised you were wrong.
Is he? I rate Balotteli's finishing (with head and feet) as significantly better than Welbeck's but he's no better than him in any other way.
In fact I'd say Welbeck's a better passer, has a better work rate, team ethic, dribbler, has better vision. Balotell's probably a better crosser and better with free kicks actually.
Passing - Uhhh, both are inconsistent
Work Rate - Welbeck
Team Ethic - Isn't this same thing as Work Rate?
Dribbling - Balotelli
Vision - Draw
Penalties - Balotelli
Finishing - Ballotelli
Free kicks - Ballotelli
Crossing - Ballotelli
Technqiue - Ballotelli
Not being a massive liability most of the time - Welbeck
Work rate and ethic are no more similar than finishing and penalties.
I referring to you saying Gomez was playing in the German Fourth Division. When in fact he was playing for the German Champions.
Not being a complete and utter liability - Welbeck
Have you seen Welbeck take a penalty or free kick? What is technique? The other things you've listed are examples of technique. It's not an attribute in itself.
Balotelli is a good dribbler ? I must have missed that one.
I acknowledged the mistake, it was caused by you mysteriously doubling Gomez's tally.
Gomez turned 21 in July, the off season. The next season he scored 16 goals in 30. How is this hard to understand?
This is the thread that will get Lynk a tagline. Probably about Welbeck shagging his mum.
It's unreal the hype around this player. Excluding the very very opccasional great game I've never seen anything from this player to make me think he's top quality.
It's almost as though it's some massive conspiracy and everyone's in on it apart from me.
Wait, so you think the new season starts in July?
What?
You're counting the goal tallies of players when they were 21 right? He turned 21 in July, started the season in August and scored 16 goals in 30 appearances. Unless you're coming up with more bullshit I don't see how this is hard to comprehend.
Either way, only 4 more or 4 less than Welbeck, from a dedicated pure goalscorer who a few years later managed 39 in 52, doesn't do much for your point.
What do you make of the other stats? Some great scorers posting lowly totals at Welbecks age.
What do you make of the other stats? Some great scorers posting lowly totals at Welbecks age.
Must focus on the minor Gomez inaccuracy, mustn't acknowledge the other fifteen examples provided. (The voice in Lynks head).
It's a glaring inaccuracy. One saying Gomez played in the German Fourth Divison, the other saying he scored fewer than he did.
I'm not arguing with the rest. What the feck are you waffling on about?
I put it up there for you in giant fecking letters. The stats are for the season in which the player TURNED 21.
Edit: feck me, Lynk, it's literally the most prominent thing on the entire page, is it really that hard to read it?
Shut up.
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