Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Ainu said:
I don't want to speculate on whether or not he'll fall into that category, as I think it's irrelevant. He's a local lad, home-grown, has the right attitude and clicks well with many others in the squad. You think we'll offload him if he isn't in the top 10 or 15 strikers in the world in a few years? Not every player in our squad has to be world class, especially not if he's a great team player, which for me he is.
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It's generally relevant when you're responding to posts saying he'll be world class (not specifically today, but in general). I think there is a reason that the last successful centre forward to come from our youth ranks was Mark Hughes, despite top quality player's like Rossi graduating.

Not every player in our squad has to be world class, but as a general rule our two main strikers are. I'm sure he'll be a decent squad player as I've already said.
 
The only problem I see with Welbeck is his first touch...can be heavy at times and that can be developed.
 
No point rushing him. He will develop, and games on the wing are probably better for him than not playing at all, even if he isn't playing particularly well.

If he is still at this level in a year or two then discussing his future here is relevant. Right now it isn't. Let us not forget that there was discussion about Hernandez's future last season, when in reality he was simply a mentally tired, out of form player.
 
The lad has talent and will become a good player, no doubt about it. Will he become good eough for a starter or will he become a decent squad player could be questioned, but saying that he will never make it here and wanting to get rid of him is pretty mental.
 
Revan said:
The lad has talent and will become a good player, no doubt about it. Will he become good eough for a starter or will he become a decent squad player could be questioned, but saying that he will never make it here and wanting to get rid of him is pretty mental.
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Not sure that anybody has or would argue that?
 
I think at worst he will be a decent squad player. These are the types of players you want as your "squad/rotation players". Players who grew up at the club and were free and can play in different positions.

He has the talent to be a top striker but obviously the next few years will determine what level he gets to.
 
His finishing and composure are bigger problems than his touch. Nothing he wont learn with age though.
 
Thing about Welbeck for me is that he seems to be an overthinker. You can see that when he gets into a good position where he has to make a decision, everything slows down for him and he seems clumsy. Its like making a decision takes so much of him that it makes basic skills suffer.

If he just did things with confidence Im sure he would look much better, as he seems to have all the physical and technical attributes in his locker. For me his problems seem mental. Its a hard thing to learn though, harder than just practising passing or finishing for sure.
 
The level of criticism he receives on here is ridiculous. It's only his second full season as a proper first team player and in the summer he played in his first major international tournament so it was inevitable that he wouldn't perform quite as well as last season, not to mention the fact that he's being stuck out on the wing.

Imagine Yorke, Cole, Sherringham, Ruud, Berbatov or Hernandez being shunted out onto the wing and ask yourself whether they'd play any better. It's hugely unfair to criticise a 21 year old playing out of position without the luxury of playing with a settled fully-functioning midfield. I'll reserve judgement until he gets a proper run through the middle.
 
Rooney and Henry used to be 'shunted' out wide. Rooney's first touch was as inconsistent as Welbeck's at his age.

Just needs to improve his composure in the penalty area.
 
Care_de_Bobo said:
The level of criticism he receives on here is ridiculous. It's only his second full season as a proper first team player and in the summer he played in his first major international tournament so it was inevitable that he wouldn't perform quite as well as last season, not to mention the fact that he's being stuck out on the wing.

Imagine Yorke, Cole, Sherringham, Ruud, Berbatov or Hernandez being shunted out onto the wing and ask yourself whether they'd play any better. It's hugely unfair to criticise a 21 year old playing out of position without the luxury of playing with a settled fully-functioning midfield. I'll reserve judgement until he gets a proper run through the middle.
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Adding the fact that he is the only striker who made it from the academy in more than a decade, has cost us nothing, played good in last season and is a full international for England. Then the ridiculous become retarded.
 
Varun_Utd said:
His finishing and composure are bigger problems than his touch. Nothing he wont learn with age though.
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I think that his first touch is his biggest problem, it basically affects a players whole game. The quicker that you can bring the ball under control, the quicker you can affect the game and the harder it is for the opposition to get close to you.

It is a talent that is painfully lacking in current English players. Watching Santi Cazorla's first touch brings a tear to my eye.
 
Care_de_Bobo said:
The level of criticism he receives on here is ridiculous. It's only his second full season as a proper first team player and in the summer he played in his first major international tournament so it was inevitable that he wouldn't perform quite as well as last season, not to mention the fact that he's being stuck out on the wing.

Imagine Yorke, Cole, Sherringham, Ruud, Berbatov or Hernandez being shunted out onto the wing and ask yourself whether they'd play any better. It's hugely unfair to criticise a 21 year old playing out of position without the luxury of playing with a settled fully-functioning midfield. I'll reserve judgement until he gets a proper run through the middle.
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1. He's scored 1 goal all season, and his general play has been shit, His link up play is always the thing that gets praised, but Hernandez who is slated for his is currently ahead of him on Assists.

2. England have no strikers. Andy Carroll, Sturridge and Welbeck shows you the depth

3. He played on the wing before, infact on his loan spell at Sunderland he was primarily a winger.

4. None of our strikers have a settled functioning midfield. Deal with it.

Revan said:
Adding the fact that he is the only striker who made it from the academy in more than a decade, has cost us nothing, played good in last season and is a full international for England. Then the ridiculous become retarded.
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So because he's came from the Academy he should be free of criticism? He was alright last season, 12 goals playing for one of the best teams in the world is the very, very minimum. Again, England have no options up front of note.
 
According to the stats thread Welbeck and Hernandez have the same amount of assists.
 
Steven Seagull said:
I think his first touch is exceptional most of the time? He's not Cazorla but his touch and technique is the last thing he needs to worry about imo
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You must be watching an entirely different player to me. Sometimes he knocks it 6 ft in front of him, going away from his marker to control it. He is very good at back heals and flicks, strangely, but his first touch is far from exceptional, most of the time.
 
Welbeck's touch and technique is fantastic when he is confident. The way he carries the ball at pace and drifts past players with his smooth running style is a joy to watch. His awareness and movement is also very good for someone so young. However, currently his confidence is shot and he isn't doing the things he is capable of. The important thing is that clearly the potential is there. Young players do go through these stages and Fergie will be patient, even if some of the fans wont.

I'd actually still rather have him on the wing than Young at the moment despite his lack of form. At least Danny still beats people and shows intelligent movement even when not playing well.
 
Lynk said:
1. He's scored 1 goal all season, and his general play has been shit, His link up play is always the thing that gets praised, but Hernandez who is slated for his is currently ahead of him on Assists.
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No, his general play hasn't been shit at all. Not the best but not the worst.

Lynk said:
2. England have no strikers. Andy Carroll, Sturridge and Welbeck shows you the depth
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21 years old and he started all four games at EURO.
Also there are some other strikers, Rooney and Defoe for example.


Lynk said:
3. He played on the wing before, infact on his loan spell at Sunderland he was primarily a winger.
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That doesn't mean that he is a winger though. That's not his position. Hargreaves played a lot as right back but he wasn't


Lynk said:
So because he's came from the Academy he should be free of criticism? He was alright last season, 12 goals playing for one of the best teams in the world is the very, very minimum. Again, England have no options up front of note.
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No he shouldn't be free of critics, no-one should. Anyway you look like you have an agenda against him. The lad is 21 years old, is playing for United, is having coach's trust, is playing for England and is a product of our academy. Almost everyone believes that he will be a great player, and even if doesn't become a first starter then we will have a fantastic squad player.

And as someone said before, imagine Ruud, Berbatov or Solskjaer playing as wingers when they were 21 years old. Don't think that they would have done much better than him.
 
He can be frustrating to watch at times, but he has plenty of endeavour and I belive he has a big future.
 
I know he was on for 20 mins and didn't have the much ball but still i found him to be disappointing, he doesn't seem to have the aggression or the ability to hold the play up and bring other players in.

He is another that needs to improve this year.
 
He had all that last year. He seems extremely lethargic in his playing style.
 
If he is off form, can't pass and can't pass the least you'd expect is a bit of energy and motivation.He plays like is half asleep or like Berbatov without being half as good
 
Welbeck's always been on of our most hard working players. Personally I don't see where this lethargic or lacking a bit of energy thing is coming from.
 
KM said:
Welbeck's always been on of our most hard working players. Personally I don't see where this lethargic or lacking a bit of energy thing is coming from.
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It comes from a direct comparison with Chicharito when he is given 15-20 minutues to play.Chicharito has spoilt us
 
KM said:
Welbeck's always been on of our most hard working players. Personally I don't see where this lethargic or lacking a bit of energy thing is coming from.
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It comes from a comparison to his workrate last season which was absolutely amazing. It was constant high pressure style football of his coupled with really good technical ability that picked him ahead of Berba. This season he just seems to be doing the jogging even when he is a fresh face 70 minutes into the game.
 
If we drew that game, bringing an off form Welbeck on instead of Hernandez would've been a massive mistake.
 
For me he needs to do better when holding onto the ball, the fact his finishing has deteriorated is making him look like a right donkey.

He reminds me of that Forest player from a few years ago...the one they called "the pineapple"!!
 
Cleverley should have come on today, not Welbeck.

Hopefully Welbeck will get a start mid week as a central striker and will bag a couple of goals to boost his confidence.
 
Nate Dogg said:
For me he needs to do better when holding onto the ball, the fact his finishing has deteriorated is making him look like a right donkey.

He reminds me of that Forest player from a few years ago...the one they called "the pineapple"!!
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1000x this.
He gets disposessed far far too easily.
 
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