Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Yes, linked up well, defended from the front a number of times winning the ball back, held it up well and made a good run to get on the end of the cross for his goal. Solid, but not spectacular.
 
I thought he was very good tonight, the only issue was that his best play was outside the box... ignoring that though, his strength, ability to win aerial flick ons, immense first touch and ability to take men on and drive into space was evident.
 
Tnx guys, nice to see him on score sheet again.
 
He's developing and most important of all, scoring goals when Woy giving him a chance to play.
 
1999united2008 said:
feel sorry for our Danny atm, with Rooney, RVP and Chico all on form he's not getting much game time for us, showed he can still score goals though tonight for England, wonder if he might get a run in the team again soon, though who would we drop atm?
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He's played for us 12 times this season. 1 more than Rooney and 1 less than Hernandez. He's getting plenty of game time.

togg said:
..yeah, but in all honesty....he's a bit of an average player really isn't he. Lovely guy..but...doesn't really quite cut it eh?
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Rowem said:
He's played for us 12 times this season. 1 more than Rooney and 1 less than Hernandez. He's getting plenty of game time.



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Like it or not a lot of people, our supporters included, do not rate Danny. The lad I was sat next to at Stamford bridge was constantly berating him.
 
Good to see him pick up a goal for england. Should give him a bit more confidence in his finishing which was lacking at the beginning of the season.

He should start the Champions league game I think. So hopefully he can get a goal in that game as well.
 
I rate Danny, I'm just not sure what I rate him as. Not overly clinical in front of goal, but maybe its confidence at the moment, creative outside the box but without the passing range of a 'in the hole' player. He's just a rather talented player but its almost like he just needs something to click.
 
He played well, used the ball smartly and scored, complete opposite of the stupid stuff Sturridge did when he came on.
 
Big-Red said:
I rate Danny, I'm just not sure what I rate him as. Not overly clinical in front of goal, but maybe its confidence at the moment, creative outside the box but without the passing range of a 'in the hole' player. He's just a rather talented player but its almost like he just needs something to click.
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Agree with everything there. He has a lot of qualities that are useful for a variety of positions, but not an abundance of qualities required for one position in particular which is what is holding him back at the moment.

Wouldn't worry at all though - just needs more games and a few years to work on a few things and it will come together for him. He is a determined lad as well which means he won't let his talents go to waste.
 
6 goals in 15 internationals is it? That's a decent return.
 
I think he's great.
He isnt exactly leading the line for us this season... Being asked to do a job wide is fine.. but its not fair to judge him on that.
 
Lynk said:
Hernandez last season scored the same number of goals as Welbeck.
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I think you might have made that point before. At least a dozen fecking times.

Out of interest, how many people need to point out to you that - at his best - Welbeck brings a lot more to the team than the ability to finish moves before the you finally grasp what they're saying?

Next question, how long are you going to keep bitching about a homegrown youngster who is still learning and developing as a footballer, cost us nothing and recently signed a long-term contract? Only it's already getting tiresome.
 
Lynk said:
Hernandez last season scored the same number of goals as Welbeck.
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Where's the point?

Hernandez didn't had a great season last year and no-one is saying that Welbeck was better last season than Chicha in his debut season.

Anyway, I cannot understand how you are ruling him out this early when he has really showed signs that has a lot of potential.
 
Devil may care said:
He played well, used the ball smartly and scored, complete opposite of the stupid stuff Sturridge did when he came on.
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That's the difference between Sturridge and Welbeck. Welbeck's game can be excessively passive whereas Sturridge tries too hard for the spectacular. Combine these two qualities together and you'll have a brilliant striker. Someone like Aguero I'd imagine.
 
Looks more at ease playing for England than he does for United at the moment. We have to be pleased with how he has progressed over the last 2 or 3 seasons though.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I think you might have made that point before. At least a dozen fecking times.

Out of interest, how many people need to point out to you that - at his best - Welbeck brings a lot more to the team than the ability to finish moves before the you finally grasp what they're saying?

Next question, how long are you going to keep bitching about a homegrown youngster who is still learning and developing as a footballer, cost us nothing and recently signed a long-term contract? Only it's already getting tiresome.
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Id advise you not to read the last few pages. Your head will likely explode....
 
His best performances this year have come in central areas, I wish they'd stop shunting him out wide. Even against Stoke where he was kind of on the left, he was prospering by getting in between the full-back and centre-back. Still he turns 22 soon and it all helps the development.
 
Welbeck has potential in loads of areas. We rarely play wide forwards but I think he'd excel in that role, and given time he has all the tools to become an excellent centre forward too. Given his size and ability I'd say his future is as a No.9 rather than a No.10, but he'll be a No.9 with a great all round game. It's certainly not something to scoff at.

Nothing is certain but I'd back him to continue developing. There's nothing to suggest he won't. People expect too much I think.
 
samabachan said:
Yes. Looks a genuinely international class forward and gave an (admittedly average) Swedish defence a lot of problems.
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He played very well. Always a threat, specifically with his movement. One of England's better players.

I still fear for him at United though. With Rooney and RVP he's never likely to be a week on week regular, and this season at least, he's been totally overshadowed by Hernandez. Its no reflection on the lad, just shows how difficult it is to make it up front at one of the worlds best teams and become a regular.

For now, he'll get enough games to keep him happy and hopefully he stays at the club long term, but I don't think its beyond the realms of possibility that he may need to move on at some stage in the next few years.

For his international career to flourish he may need to be a regular - because if he's not playing and scoring, other players probably will be.
 
Although we'd like to see Danny in central areas, I think playing him as a wide forward at times isn't the worst thing in the world. He's getting experience and that's important at this stage of his development. It might be a case of if he plays well enough, then he'll get the chance to play more centrally. Obviously, Fergie holds all the cards but it's hard to complain about the amount of game time Welbeck has acquired thus far.
 
RedRover said:
He played very well. Always a threat, specifically with his movement. One of England's better players.

I still fear for him at United though. With Rooney and RVP he's never likely to be a week on week regular, and this season at least, he's been totally overshadowed by Hernandez.

For now, he'll get enough games to keep him happy and hopefully he stays at the club long term, but I don't think its beyond the realms of possibility that he may need to move on at some stage in the next few years. For his international coareer to flourish he may need to be a regular - because if he's not playing and scoring, other players probably will be.
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In the next few years, why wouldn't you expect RVP to be played less and Welbeck to be played more than he is now?
 
Plato said:
In the next few years, why wouldn't you expect RVP to be played less and Welbeck to be played more than he is now?
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Because they've paid a lot of money for him and he's on huge wages and a 4 year contract. Clearly they expect him to be around long term or why invest the thick end of £40+ million - especially where there's unlikley to be any sell on value.

Its also the case that RVP is, as things stand, obviously much the better player - to be expected considering his experience. Welbeck may surprise me and develop into a truly world class forward (and of course I hope he does) but he's got a long way to go if that's ever going to happen.

For the record I like the lad, and he's got a huge part to play - but in terms of being a regular he's up against two of the best forwards in the world, as well as a player who while probably not offering as much in general play but has the rare knack of scoring regular goals.

I therefore think that in a year or two, if he wants to play every week and be an England regular he may start to get itchy feet. Hopefully he develops and can force his way in on form and ability.
 
Rowem said:
Welbeck has potential in loads of areas. We rarely play wide forwards but I think he'd excel in that role, and given time he has all the tools to become an excellent centre forward too. Given his size and ability I'd say his future is as a No.9 rather than a No.10, but he'll be a No.9 with a great all round game. It's certainly not something to scoff at.

Nothing is certain but I'd back him to continue developing. There's nothing to suggest he won't. People expect too much I think.
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I think if he plays in a system where he can drift across the frontline it would really be lethal.

In some ways the match vs Newcastle showcased it. Obviously the diamond midfield is what all of us noticed about that game and how effective it was, but we also had Rooney in AM along with Welbeck and RVP upfront.

Interesting thing was that Welbeck and RVP both drifted across the frontline which made our diamond midfield and our team as a whole a lot more fluid. Welbeck's starting position was central but he made a lot of good runs out wide and also got on the end of a few really good chances thanks to both his movement and the whole team's movement.
 
We have so many options. Concerns (for Welbeck's future) are fair enough as these things are unpredictable, but there are so many possibilities that will see him getting game time and really establish himself. We can play three strikers, especially as Welbeck and Rooney, and to an extent also RvP, are quite versatile players. It's one of the big advantages Welbeck had over Macheda, and in the long run it'll prove to be an advantage over Hernandez imo.

Plus, he's ours already. Wouldn't be terrible if he remained a squad player for a few more years. I don't see the worth in us selling him if he's happy to stay. It'd only weaken us and improve a rival. He's getting enough chances at international level as it is. It's better to be a squad player for us than a starter for a midtable team anyway in terms of international opportunities, development and top level experience. If he can develop as we hope then he will work his way into our team one way or another.
 
Big-Red said:
I rate Danny, I'm just not sure what I rate him as. Not overly clinical in front of goal, but maybe its confidence at the moment, creative outside the box but without the passing range of a 'in the hole' player. He's just a rather talented player but its almost like he just needs something to click.
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This. He's fantastic, but he needs to learn a bit of striker's discipline and spend more time in the dangerous areas, even if that means getting fewer touches of the ball and being less useful in our overall play.
 
RedRover said:
Because they've paid a lot of money for him and he's on huge wages and a 4 year contract. Clearly they expect him to be around long term or why invest the thick end of £40+ million - especially where there's unlikley to be any sell on value.

Its also the case that RVP is, as things stand, obviously much the better player - to be expected considering his experience. Welbeck may surprise me and develop into a truly world class forward (and of course I hope he does) but he's got a long way to go if that's ever going to happen.

For the record I like the lad, and he's got a huge part to play - but in terms of being a regular he's up against two of the best forwards in the world, as well as a player who while probably not offering as much in general play but has the rare knack of scoring regular goals.

I therefore think that in a year or two, if he wants to play every week and be an England regular he may start to get itchy feet. Hopefully he develops and can force his way in on form and ability.
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You could look at it as a contingency plan though. I wasn't for the transfer initially but it's obvious that having RVP at our disposal takes some of the pressure off of your younger lads to perform. It also will allow Welbeck and Hernandez to develop as needed. These are both players happy to bide their time and play when required. It's shown with Danny signing a new long contract. In three or four years, if the circumstances are still the same, then as a professional Danny might have a change of heart. By that time he'll be 25 or 26 but I think the hope is that by then, he'll have refined his game enough to be able to fully take on the responsible of being a regular starter for Manchester United.

Due to his profligacy in front of goal and other factors, he's not quite ready for such a role in the team.
 
Thing is, the weakest aspect of his play is finishing, which can be a bit problematic as a striker.
 
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