Been feeling the same for a number of years now
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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Been feeling the same for a number of years now
Spot on and they will be disappointed because he'll be at this club for a very long time yet, barring a fall out with Fergie of course.
Welbeck is brilliant. Simple as that. Anyone not excited about a talent like this coming out of the youth academy needs their heads examined. So much is expected so soon of young players these days, that it's gotten ridiculous. I cringe when I think of the amount of abuse players like Darren Fletcher took in their first few years in a United shirt.
Whoever can't see that Welbeck has what it takes to be a top player for this club for years to come, is beyond help.
Whoever can't see that Welbeck has what it takes to be a top player for this club for years to come, is beyond help.
Love him. He's been my favourite player for United since breaking into the team.
We have Hernandez whos playing very well at the moment and he deserves his chances in the PL now - Welbeck will have to make way for that to happen and given his recent performances its not unfair.
How can you say that we look more fluid will Welbeck playing than without him when hes hardly been left out at all this season? WIth him playing out of position Id like us to mix it up a little, play Hernandez and RVP up front, and see how that works out.
A bit rich to be talking about posters "waiting for players to fail" when you yourself live in a world where Anderson was "a liability" yesterday btw.
was that ramirez who cut him down there? dont think he even got booked for that
I don't know why he's started trying to beat five men the whole time. An odd backward step for a player who's normally always improving.
Its like a merry go round, Welbeck does well, gets games and its Hernandez sat on the bench who's off form, then Hernandez scores a couple of goals and people call for him to start. Welbeck sits on the bench looking bored and is then apparently out of form, can see it coming. Both are quality and in different ways.
What an arrogant player according to some
Why would Hernandez take Welbecks place on the left?
Anderson tiring after 60mins is and will always be a liability.
In the next line I also said something like his perfomance otherwise was a joy to watch. Not sure what your driving at...
He's been doing that for years, remember him skinning about half a dozen Hull players a few seasons back.
Why would Hernandez take Welbecks place on the left?
Anderson tiring after 60mins is and will always be a liability.
In the next line I also said something like his perfomance otherwise was a joy to watch. Not sure what your driving at...
Where did I ever say Hernandez should play on the left? We can play a diamond-ish formation with no out and out wide player on the left and fit all of RVP, Rooney and Hernandez into the side comfortably. Welbeck would have to be put on the bench for that to work out though.
Anderson does not tire after 60 minutes, thats bollocks, and even if he did its not a liability. We have substitutes you know? Is Scholes a liability? If you praised him otherwise in the Anderson thread then Im sorry for being crass, but I read your comment as overly critical after an excellent game from him.
Bottomline is that despite Welbeck and Hernandez not playing the same position, they are still more or less competing for the same open spot in the squad for bigger games. We wont play both of them in a game like Arsenal with both Rooney and RVP guaranteed to play.
Agree with that, unless we're losing @ around 70 minutes and desperately need to score, then there's a slight chance all 4 of them would be used in the same game.
And while Anderson doesn't exactly have the best stamina out there, it's really funny how everyone mentiones his poor stamina, yet when it comes to Scholes it's just forgotten, never mind the fact that Anderson actualy runs around and closes opponents down all the time.
Ok I know, Scholes is a legend and is also at the end of his carreer, but that's besides the point.
Him and Giggs...ugh, well they haven't been working tonight have they?
Not a fecking left winger.
It's not even that...that chance he had on the edge of the box, where he handled it. He's just woefully off form.
He was awfull, I don't know what happened to him tonight.
He should back-heel everything.
Just give him time up front, he should be able to grab some minutes of the bench. Doesn't deserve to be starting and isn't very good on the wing.
He'll get time in the next two CL games.
I really think we're doing him a disservice by using him this often n the wing when he gets a look in.
I realize he's got some heavy competition up top, but he's half the player out on the flank.
I realize he's got some heavy competition up top, but he's half the player out on the flank.
I'm guessing it's just a way of squeezing him into the side and giving him some games, given the competition he's up against in a more central position.
He offers nothing playing on the wide left. He is reduced to being a defensive striker. A lot of fans thought that the RVP signing would be bad for him and it has proved thus. That said, I don't regret signing RVP for one second.
Completely agree, the only time he's looked good on the left is that game earlier this season where he, Rooney and RVP constantly rotated with each other.
Awful today, probably the worst I've seen him play.
Surely we should be taking him out of the firing line and give him time to work on his finishing in training for a few weeks, no point shoe-horning him into the side now Young is back.
It's worth noting his finishing is poor too...he lacks the composure to be top striker.
I know I'll get shot, but he has never convinced me. There has been a lot of hype around him..especially from the media...but his goal scoring record is pretty poor. He really needs to improve on that. I don't think he will be a united player in three years time...
If we hadn't signed RVP and relied on him for more of the games...we would not be sitting on top of the league right now, that is for sure...
If we hadn't signed RVP and relied on him for more of the games...we would not be sitting on top of the league right now, that is for sure...
Welbeck will be a top, top striker for us. Growing pains at the moment.
I think he'll be a good Premier League striker, but not for United. I too will probably get caned for saying that.
I think that may be the worst I'v ever seen him play.
Think he suffered due to Fergie trying to fit in too many players and sacrificing team balance to do so. Thing with him playing out wide is that he needs to try and come inside more and make diagonal runs. It got more exposed today because we lacked so much centrally that his inexperience out wide got more exaggerated.
Was he really playing out wide? I thought he was one of the the top two in a diamond.
It's annoying because he's a far better dribbler than he's showing, and there is no reason why he shouldn't be playing better on the wing than he has been doing. Still have faith that there is a top player in there ready to step up but he needs time and more minutes in his preferred position - something he's going to struggle to get with Hernandez, Van Persie and Rooney all looking good.
I dunno why people think it was a diamond, weirdest diamond I've ever seen. Was definitely a 451.
I mean, how can people actually watch a game and not notice the difference in a player playing as a striker and a player playing as an out-and-out winger? Really?
He obviously drifts inside from time-to-time, as a) that's his nature and b) United-wingers tend to move about, but come on.
Well he was playing as an inside forward rather than on the wings, no ?
I thought it looked like a narrow 4-2-3-1 with Rooney dropping from the hole into midfield on occasions.
I thought it looked like a narrow 4-2-3-1 with Rooney dropping from the hole into midfield on occasions.
It was a pretty clear 433 and that's backed up by the average position image:
Welbeck, Nani and Hernandez well spread out with Rooney, Giggs and Anderson a tight unit in midfield. Both Meulensteen and Sir Alex have talked about the benefits of playing young players in various positions in their formative professional years and this is just another example of it. Welbeck's multi-talented enough to excel in any attacking role but you have to expect some difficulty adjusting. Rooney himself had countless poor performances on the wing in the early years, even David Villa at his peak found it very difficult adapting to a wider role so it's no surprise to see Welbeck doing the same. With a bit of patience he could master that role though and I think we can all agree that if he can show his best form in that role then it'll be hugely beneficial, particularly in Europe given our tendency to play 451/433.
Rooney's learning to play in midfield, Welbeck's learning to play on the wing and the thinking behind that is pretty clear - we're now ready to go with the 3-man midfield, but we're going to do so without limiting our attacking potential in terms of individuals or as a team. We may not be playing 442/441 but we'll continue to play at least 2 strikers in every game. It's what we do best.
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