Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Great player, but not a left winger at all.

Making us so narrow at times today.
 
As I've said in the match thread, he's just not a winger. He will put in a shift and work hard there, but at a top club you want players with ability out there, not ones who will put in a shift. He's a natural striker and that's where he belongs. He doesn't play wide enough and him as a winger doesn't really work. You can perhaps understand him being shifted out there before to get some gametime, but now Rooney's out, he'll get more anyway in his actual position.
 
He doesn't stay wide, that's the issue. Valencia stetches the pitch, which stretches their defence as the leftback needs to pull wide with him. With Welbeck playing narrow the right back can come tight to the centre backs which means very small gaps between defenders... Which we cant play through.

We need another proper winger to pull the fullbacks wide and leave gaps for Kagawa, Cleverley and Carrick to exploit.

For a few minutes at a time he would just stay central, offering no threat down the flanks. You can come inside, Silva, Iniesta, Mata have shown that, but it needs to be balanced. At the minute he hasn't found that balance.
 
I think he has used the ball quite well today, it's encouraging that our newest academy graduates (Welbeck and Cleverley) are so efficient in possession.

He's lost the ball at least 3 or 4 times that half. Robbed. Ala Carrick getting robbed. Not trying to get past someone, but by dallying on the ball etc.

Something Nani, for one wouldn't do (get robbed on the ball when not trying to beat his man).
 
No need to analyse his performance really, doesn't fit into the 4-2-3-1 system with RVP and Rooney on the books.

Isn't a winger. But is brilliant in a two man attack.
 
Should play upfront, thats it. Not sure Fergie sticks him there just to give him games - but it wont do him any good and not good for the team.
 
Put in an honest shift but apart from a few moment just didn't really do much.

Shouldn't play in that position...clearly he's no good at it.
 
He hasn't been playing as a winger, he's been playing up front alongside Van Persie with Kagawa in behind and all three of them at various points have pulled out wide both in defence and attack. People have been saying for ages how great that '433' we played with Rooney on the left and Ronaldo on the right because of the fluidity of the frontline but we had all the same issues when it didn't work out. It'll take time to find the best way to fit them all in.
 
Below par start to the season, where his close control and first touch has deserted him.

Playing as a left winger is stupid with the options we've got, this position doesn't suit his game at all.
 
I don't think Fergie is doing him any favours out on the wing, though he kept moving from there. That said, if he wants to play games up front he could be left waiting quite often this season, so I presume he's trying to keep his development going without having to drop one of Rooney/RvP.
 
He is not a great player, not yet. He is far too inconsistent to be considered great, he is a talent but he goes missing far too often and he is constantly giving the ball away be it with a heavy touch or a mistimed pass. He also should never play on the wing again for us. There was a world of difference once Nani came on, for example we actually had an option on the left hand side which was a danger. I don't expect him to start too many games once Rooney is fit again, but maybe a season learning from the best 2 strikers in the league will be good for him.
 
I don't think Fergie is doing him any favours out on the wing, though he kept moving from there. That said, if he wants to play games up front he could be left waiting quite often this season, so I presume he's trying to keep his development going without having to drop one of Rooney/RvP.

Yeah, pretty much what everyone said would happen if we signed RVP. It'll only get worse for him when Rooney gets back.
 
He hasn't been playing as a winger, he's been playing up front alongside Van Persie with Kagawa in behind and all three of them at various points have pulled out wide both in defence and attack. People have been saying for ages how great that '433' we played with Rooney on the left and Ronaldo on the right because of the fluidity of the frontline but we had all the same issues when it didn't work out. It'll take time to find the best way to fit them all in.

Welbeck is wasted on the wings.

I don't think Fergie is doing him any favours out on the wing, though he kept moving from there. That said, if he wants to play games up front he could be left waiting quite often this season, so I presume he's trying to keep his development going without having to drop one of Rooney/RvP.

I think the answers in here.

The 433 can be great, but of course, the personnel have to fit the bill.
There's very few players in the world that should encourage the manager to play that player out of position; RvP and Rooney are obviously special talents that should be playing as much as possible. Welbeck, isn't one of our best players right now. If he plays, he should play as a striker, and I don't think even Rooney can be playing as the striker at the moment; RvP has scored 4 goals in 200 odd minutes. Crazy strike rate. He hasn't even been playing that well; his goals:shots ratio is identical for us as it was the whole of last season.

He got involved in our play more today, as well.

IMO, if we are playing a left forward it ought to be Rooney. LW can easily be played by Nani/Young. RW/RF is obviously Valencia's spot when fit now.

But Welbeck isn't offering us too much from there, and I don't anyone bar Messi can take away RvP's spot as the central striker at the moment.
 
The greatness bar has certainly been lowered.

No one gives a shit you utter bore :wenger:

He's 'very good' then, feckin hell.

You should maybe analyse your own posts with the same rigour you do everyone elses, maybe then you won't come out with such consistent shite.
 
He shouldn't be starting in the League except in emergencies, he's nowhere near as good as van Persie or Rooney as a striker and he's nowhere near as good as Nani or Young as a winger. He should be used primarily as back-up or an option from the bench, starting in dead rubber games or against lower division opponents.
 
I want to see Kagawa in behind Welbeck, believe me that would be a deadly combination. Welbeck is suffering from being shunted out wide, he's still slowly growing into his body. Welbeck is a class player, no question about that at all, he just suffers from that inconsistency that many young players do. Not every young player has to have a career trajectory like Rooney or Messi.
 
Had a shocker today, in the early stages when we were establishing control it always seemed to be him that lost us possession. Sure, he won it back a couple of times, but better if he hadn't lost it in the first place. Time to give Hernandez a few games in his place. We were much more if a threat when he came on.
 
Had a shocker today, in the early stages when we were establishing control it always seemed to be him that lost us possession. Sure, he won it back a couple of times, but better if he hadn't lost it in the first place. Time to give Hernandez a few games in his place. We were much more if a threat when he came on.

Start Hernandez on the left? Why not Nani instead?

To be honest, no-one other than Van Persie - and Scholes when he came on - had a great day today (hence why the match-thread resembles the aftermath of a suicide cult at times). Welbeck doesn't work as an orthodox winger but I can see the idea behind putting him on the left of Van Persie with Kagawa floating around, they should be capable of some excellent movement and passing between them. Didn't work at all today of course, but we were just a bit shit in general.
 
Not sure what the point is in playing him instead of Nani wide left.
 
He shouldn't be starting in the League except in emergencies, he's nowhere near as good as van Persie or Rooney as a striker and he's nowhere near as good as Nani or Young as a winger. He should be used primarily as back-up or an option from the bench, starting in dead rubber games or against lower division opponents.

I agree with this, except I'd much rather have Javier Chicharito Hernandez coming off the bench to save Manchester United's arse when we need a goal or 3.
 
Stop playing him on the fecking wing!

I love Danny to bits, he's gonna be a class class striker in a few years, but when you've got two wingers sitting on the bench, don't play a fecking striker there!

No other manager would do it, so why does Fergie think it's okay? Its pointless. Just stop it.
 
Unfortunately it's like Fergie's trying to make a point to him: Don't worry, you're still a big part of the team. Unfortunately, it's hampering the team because he's playing in a position that isn't right for him.
 
He was always useful drifting in from the wing growing up through the ranks and in the reserves but he has grown and bulked so much I am not sure it is suiting him at the moment. Fergie reckons he is still not finished growing, don't know if that is affecting him because for me he has looked a little clumsy in posession recently where he is normally very silky with the ball for a big lad.
 
Converting him into a left winger whose main purpose is bothering Shinji Kagawa, due to us signing Robin van Persie and erh, Shinji Kagawa, wasn't the greatest idea of all time, it turns out.

Also, playing him ahead of our actual left wingers might, you know, piss them off.
 
Brwned is right, he didn't play as a left winger today, he didn't do anything that remotely resembled wing play, he was playing as a false winger or left sided attacker, take your pick.

It seems to me that given Valencia is such an orthodox winger on the right that Fergie wants to use the left for a floating playmaker, I imagine that was where he envisaged using Hazard, basically a role Giggs played for us before shifting permanently inside.

The problem is Danny just isn't suited to it, he's a #9 IMO, he's not a winger or left sided playmaker, so when you start him over there he's simply a #9 desperately trying to get as far infield as possible, back to his natural habitat, leaving us looking unbalanced.
 
He hasn't been playing as a winger, he's been playing up front alongside Van Persie with Kagawa in behind and all three of them at various points have pulled out wide both in defence and attack. People have been saying for ages how great that '433' we played with Rooney on the left and Ronaldo on the right because of the fluidity of the frontline but we had all the same issues when it didn't work out. It'll take time to find the best way to fit them all in.

Agreed, I don't think Welbeck's performance resembled anything like a left winger. At times he was the most central of our midfielders and playing in the hole... it was a really unorthodox role but not necessarily one in which he can't play... sometimes players just have bad performances and I think yesterday was one of them, he was not alone in that respect.

It's unlikely he's going to get much games up front if RvP keeps up this form, so he's going to need to be versatile, he's capable of it, just need to keep the faith.
 
Welbeck didn't have the best of games. But I don't think it is his fault. He just isn't suited to the role that he was required to play last night. Welbeck has shown that he is best in the centre with the ball played in to him. He just doesn't provided enough danger coming in from the left at the moment.

The difference was really evident when nani came on. That driving at players is something that welbeck doesn't have. I'd much prefer we play nani out left (or as an inside forward) than welbeck. Shift welbeck back inside when we intend to play to forwards up top and leave the wider areas to players more suited to them.
 
I actually thought his technical skill levels would move through the side in a way that he could be creative across the front 3. But he clearly doesn't/didn't have the positional discipline to play an all-round role on the left he kept drifting into the center and generally being out of position. He didn't really have an impact like a winger which was probably what was needed but i wouldn't really take too much out of that.

Any time Danny gets on the field to develop is good. He will learn more being out of his comfort zone than he will in it.
 
Welbeck is rubbish on the left but until Fergie decides what his best combination is, then we will see players not in their preferred positions.
Chicharito plays up front, whether on his won or in tandem - PLEASE not on the wing Fergie!
Realistically, I think only Rooney is effective up front or withdrawn but we do have Kagawa too. I was watching Kagawa and his words played out - that we do pass the ball a helluva lot out wide when we aren't in advanced positions!
 
Start Hernandez on the left? Why not Nani instead?

To be honest, no-one other than Van Persie - and Scholes when he came on - had a great day today (hence why the match-thread resembles the aftermath of a suicide cult at times). Welbeck doesn't work as an orthodox winger but I can see the idea behind putting him on the left of Van Persie with Kagawa floating around, they should be capable of some excellent movement and passing between them. Didn't work at all today of course, but we were just a bit shit in general.

Yeah, Nani then, either would improve things imo. Welbeck will still get plenty of pitch time, but until he improves his link up play, he shouldnt be playing as much as he does
 
Welbeck has been shunted out wide a fair few times over the years, and has never looked comfortable there. He looked better when he came inside as a two, but that was only for about 10 minutes before he got subbed off.

He is a right footed striker, if he played on the right wing he might actually do better but being shoved out wide is just silly when we've got Nani, Giggs, Young and even Kagawa.
 
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