I can see lesser clubs being 'moved'...but clubs like United, Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal...with so much history....its impossible.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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It would be like Euro Disneyland, no one would show up.
After the Wimbledon/Milton Keynes farce I can't see it happening again for a long time.
So the club and its officials (privately) viewing the local fans as insignificant is suddenly going to lead to none of those fans turning up to matches? How does that work?
I'm really not following your argument. Frankly the local core support has proven that it can be taken for granted during the Glazers ownership and if you don't believe that then you must accept that the locals have been successfully replaced with OOTners.
There are more than enough United fans in the UK to fill Old Trafford. You might need some slightly more imaginative pricing policies to do so in the future (recently introduced 18-21 season tickets for example) but like I've said matchday revenue will become and has become less and less significant as the years go by so a very slight fall in income isn't an issue. I agree that the seats need to be filled and they will be, don't worry about that.
Does that mean United will be dropping ACS and prices over the next 5-10 years and we'll all eventually get in free?
Whilst it's obviously true that nowadays getting locals to fill the stadium is not hugely important in financial terms I think it's a very dangerous route to go down.
1. Without the local fan base clubs like United and Liverpool would not attract as many OOTers - or get them to follow as fanatically as many do. I can say this as an OOTer myself. To put it in a way you might understand - the stadium atmosphere and hardcore supporters are part of the appeal of the Manchester United 'product'.
2. The fans in the stadium have an impact on results on the pitch - which is required to be financially successful. For best results the stadium needs to be filled with passionate supporters.
3. Local players who are avid fans of the club are important. The club doesn't want the next Scholes, Giggs and Neville growing up supporting City because United thought they were insignificant.
GCHQ from defending price rises and ACS over the years has changed his stance to match day revenue being insignificant.
Have you been privy to those discussions?
Anyway, Danny Welbeck...
I reckon he was one of the main players who made United tick last season with his fantastic movement. I'm hoping Cleverley stays fit, and together with Kagawa we will have the movement and energy distinctly lacking last season in some games.
I reckon he was one of the main players who made United tick last season with his fantastic movement. I'm hoping Cleverley stays fit, and together with Kagawa we will have the movement and energy distinctly lacking last season in some games.
It's only important when raising prices 10%. When the stadium is half empty, that's meaningless.
I can't wait for the new season. Welback, Cleverley and Kagawa playing together would bring back our good old days of fluid attack.
It's doesn't really add up that you won't pay Welbeck £60K and want to pay RvP £220K.
Maybe GCHQ has a point. Locals in Manchester are essentially meaningless considering the massive Caymen Islands market we've just tapped into.
I see what GHCQ is trying to convey but at least try and deliver it with some emotive support for the club
.*applause*
Again completely missing the point. I'm an oot fan, my most immeadiate annoyance with the Glazer ownership is their relationship with fans and their treatment of them. The debt won't make me stop supporting Utd, lack of success wouldn't make me stop supporting Utd. Severing links with and viewing local fans as insignificant would.
As has been said, local support is a key and established part of the 'product'. While it may be an insignificant direct revenue generator its still a notable characteristic of the brand which is long established. Now if your trying to tell me that senior executives within the club don't realise that, then we either have some of the most inept marketeers in the world running the club, or you're talking bullshit and just looking for a reaction.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me how football with its independently owned clubs compares to the NFL, which is a franchise.
In my book you're attention seeking.
But anyway, yeah Welbeck.
I'd be devastated if we let Welbeck leave, a very talented young english striker created from our own academy.
Be a massive shame if we ruined all that work by letting him go.
Be a massive shame if we ruined all that work by letting him go.
No he wouldn't. For a start, Danny Welbeck being talented at football and working hard for himself is the main reason he is where he is. He isn't where he is just because United allowed him to be and "back him". That's a complete nonsense. If I work hard and become good at my job, it doesn't mean I owe my entire career to my employer, even if they start fecking me around.
If the club fanny around with his contract and then let it run down to the point he has no choice but to look at other offers, he has every right to turn round and say "pay me what I think I'm worth"...in fact he'd be a chump not to do this, and if the club wont budge then there's every possibility he would be better off elsewhere, as if that is the club's policy, they wont be anywhere near where they are now in 5-10 years time anyway.
It was the same with Pogba. We let his contract run down, and then act surprised and disrespected when another club of similar stature comes in and offers him more money, and he chooses to sign for them...why the feck wouldn't he choose to sign for Juventus? I don't get why it's hard to understand. United seem to be living in cuckoo land.
Where did I say Utd 'allowed' him do anything? Stop being a hysterical fanny noodles. His career and talent have developed effectively where he is. I also have no doubt he'll get a contract that he deserves, and as i've said imo he deserves parity with Hernandez. Therefore he'd be mad to go elsewhere, IMO, particularly if it meant going to a club a step or two lower than where he is right now.
i would reckon wenger would love to have welbeck (even without these bollocks rumours about a loan) i could see welbeck thriving in arsenal's system and under wenger.
Juventus offered the same money as us, iirc. Also, it wasnt only us that doing the stalling...it came from Pogba too.
All this is nullified by the club allowing his contract to run down to the last year in the first place. That just shouldn't be happening with any player they value keeping hold of at all...let alone one of the most promising talents at the club.
It's bizarre enough we're after Van Persie due to his situation, when we're looking to develop Welbeck, let alone us getting into exactly the same situation with him at the same time...unless the two are connected somehow, but I really hope not. Welbeck out and Van Persie in with us losing a bucket load of money in the process would be a horrific piece of business, and if the money is there would also make absolutely no sense.
According to who?
and it's always both parties doing the stalling. Once you let it run down to within 12 months you make it a whole lot more difficult to keep hold of the player. I just find it stupid how it's always the player and their greed that fans blame, when in a lot of cases they're taking the most sensible option available to them.
I'd imagine the RVP thing relates far more to Berbatov than it does to Welbeck.
Welbecks had 1 year in the first team, so renegotiaing now makes perfect sense, particularly seeing as he doesn't come across as the sort to take it as a personal insult, throw his toys out of the pram and go hunting for an extra 10k somewhere else.
You seem to be putting 1 and 1 together and coming up with about 8 noodle. Your need to constantly complain about the club is clouding your judgement.
Welbecks had 1 year in the first team, so renegotiaing now makes perfect sense, particularly seeing as he doesn't come across as the sort to take it as a personal insult, throw his toys out of the pram and go hunting for an extra 10k somewhere else.
You seem to be putting 1 and 1 together and coming up with about 8 noodle. Your need to constantly complain about the club is clouding your judgement.
the club is doing this because he is a local lad.
If he was spanish and showed the same talent and progress and had been with us since he was 15-16, the club would've been scared that he would have options on the continent so they would've looked to tie this up much earlier.
But because danny's a local boy, the club know he won't leave england to being with so the 'market' for danny is much smaller, giving the club more leverage in doing the deal on their terms.
Like how we tied Pogba down a couple of years ago?
pogba hasn't shown the same progress or talent as welbz. not a like-for-like comparison.
more like how jesus freak got a re-negotiated contract with a pay rise after a decent first season.
His agent claimed both offers were the same, though that's not exactly the most reliable source, I don't believe we've heard anything to contradict that.
One of the rare times I completely and utter agree with you. Why we(united rather than Arsenal) see RVP as so essential to our plans in beyond me.
Tie down Nani and Welbeck then spend on central midfield. What kind of message will it send to these two players if despite their efforts for the club so far we bring in a player earning more than they are asking for in weekly wages, especially when that player is injury prone and 29 years old. Not exactly value for money is he at 20-25mil.
With Kagawa coming and prefering to play behind the central striker its debatable whether we actually need anything more than a reliable stop gap striker who can backup Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez.
Last summer Hernandez was a full international, on the back of a great first season at Utd and got a new contract on the back of it.
Much the same position that Welbeck is in now.
I can't believe this shit. After Pogba and Morrison leaving, it turns out that Welbeck is also in his final year. This contract renewal system is complete lunacy if you ask me. We have been negotiating with Welbeck for a long time now and I presumed it had been signed. I don't like the way this is going.
i don't know how much welbeck is on right now and how much he is asking for but he deserves something around 50k - 60k now. he is a full international and could end up as a top class striker one day. please tie him up as soon as possible. i don't like the idea of letting our young player's contract goes down until the final year, especially for a talented player like welbeck.
Welbeck would be a great swap for RvP. It's not going to happen tho'.
I didn't know that. Very strange for this to be the case.
That's really insulting. If he was a muslim or other religion you wouldn't get away with saying that on here. That's several very derogatory comments on here in the last two days. Just STFU.
keep the piety in the dressing room or maybe after scoring a goal.
i would pull him up on it regardless of his religion if he practiced it every fecking time for a couple of mins before kick off in teh middle of the center circle regardless of his religion.
I reckon we have other pretty religious lads in our side, but none of them treat the pitch like a fecking church every kickoff.
Leaving the contract to the last year saves a few million quid on salary. Massive risk to take for a club. Arsenal are a case in point.
Club is no getting more money orientated than I ever remember previously.
What an odd thing to get annoyed about.
You're right!
The expectations at the club are every player need to do what Giggs, Scholes, Nevilles did, and just sign on the dotted line because their local boys and it's United.
You can have that opinion without referring to him as a Jesus freak, or assuming the blowjob position. In fact, I don't know why you would bring it up at all in a thread about Welbeck. You clearly have an issue with it deeper than what you are making out above. If you feel you have to complain about something that doesn't effect anyone, at least do it in the right thread.
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