Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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GCHQ said:
Now I love Manchester as a City but I don't think I'd find many locals who'd disagree that Manchester is completely meaningless in global terms.

For example, how much of a consideration do you think the core support was for Chevrolet when they made the decision to pay over half a billion dollars to become the club's shirt sponsors?
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bsc said:
So you're a Mancunian who puts the [commercial] value of a Mexican 'asset' [balance sheet talk] above a born and bred Manc who lives and breaths the club and the city.

No pride in your city? Does money always take precedence over community spirit and local pride?
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My personal feelings don't matter, I'm just describing how and why such a decision is reached.
 
thegregster said:
Well they clearly are not. Match day revenue is currently a big part of Uniteds turnover.

Its around 30%. If these people didnt go United would be in serious trouble.
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And the local core support provide less than 30% of that matchday revenue once you've deducted corporate hospitality, OOT season ticket holders and tourists.
 
GCHQ said:
My personal feelings don't matter, I'm just describing how and why such a decision is reached.
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Bollocks. Of course feelings matter, that's why football is such a great game.

Did you not feel that extra bit sentimental when Welbeck scored against Arsenal in front of the Stretty, than Hernandez against, say, Stoke?

If not, then you're a robot, who views the game different from almost anyone I know. Local players coming through the youth ranks are always valued much higher by the core support.
 
GCHQ said:
And the local core support make up less than 30% of that matchday revenue once you've deducted corporate hospitality, OOT season ticket holders and tourists.
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Can you provide a source to back this up? Are are you pulling figures out of your ass?
 
bsc said:
Bollocks. Of course feelings matter, that's why football is such a great game.

Did you not feel that extra bit sentimental when Welbeck scored against Arsenal in front of the Stretty, than Hernandez against, say, Stoke?

If not, then you're a robot, who views the game different from almost anyone I know. Local players coming through the youth ranks are always valued much higher by the core support.
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Welbeck against City was the best of the lot. And I'm not even a manc!
 
thegregster said:
Can you provide a source to back this up? Are are you pulling figures out of your ass?
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It's well documented that corporate hospitality represents virtually half of the club's matchday revenue. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that only around half (of the other 50%) is provided by the local core support. It's probably quite a bit less than that but I'll be generous and say that the club's core local support provides 25%-30% of its matchday revenue.

We're talking about c. £25m for a business that will be generating in excess of £500m revenue in the 2015/16 financial year.
 
GCHQ said:
It's well documented that corporate hospitality represents virtually half of the club's matchday revenue. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that only around half (of the other 50%) is provided by the local core support. It's probably quite a bit less than that but I'll be generous and say that the club's core local support provides 25%-30% of its matchday revenue.

We're talking about c. £25m for a business that will be generating in excess of £500m revenue in the 2015/16 financial year.
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Who do you work for?
 
GCHQ said:
It's well documented that corporate hospitality represents virtually half of the club's matchday revenue. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that only around half (of the other 50%) is provided by the local core support. It's probably quite a bit less than that but I'll be generous and say that the club's core local support provides 25%-30% of its matchday revenue.

We're talking about c. £25m for a business that will be generating in excess of £500m revenue in the 2015/16 financial year.
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Can you give us a link. I cant find one. If its so well documented you should find one easily.
 
bsc said:
Bollocks. Of course feelings matter, that's why football is such a great game.

Did you not feel that extra bit sentimental when Welbeck scored against Arsenal in front of the Stretty, than Hernandez against, say, Stoke?

If not, then you're a robot, who views the game different from almost anyone I know. Local players coming through the youth ranks are always valued much higher by the core support.
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Maybe a little bit, yes, but I'm not sure why this has any relevance given what I've already stated about the club's core local support and its lack of significance.
 
Oh and something else that needs a mention. Barca have set the bar these last few years, by fielding a team dominated by players who grew up playing football together. Immersed in the standards and footballing culture of the club, learning each other's game inside out. I mean, feck it, that's been the blueprint for all our recent success too!

Now we're supposed to break with our succesful traditions and fail to emulate arguably the best club side in history by fecking off our best homegrown players because we might negotiate a marginally better TV deal in Mexico? Aye, that should work.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Oh and something else that needs a mention. Barca have set the bar these last few years, by fielding a team dominated by players who grew up playing football together. Immersed in the standards and footballing culture of the club, learning each other's game inside out. I mean, feck it, that's been the blueprint for all our recent success too!

Now we're supposed to break with our succesful traditions and fail to emulate arguably the best club side in history by fecking off our best homegrown players because we might negotiate a marginally better TV deal in Mexico? Aye, that should work.
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But Welbecks not pretty enough to sell shirts in the states.
 
It's not like I even said that Hernandez's commercial appeal was the single biggest reason for him being offered more money.

How about the fact that he had a more effective, some would say considerably more effective, season in 2010/11 than Welbeck did in 2011/12?
 
I never thought we'd reach a day and age where we'd talk about how much a player should be getting....I don't know why he's not signed a contract. To me it's baffling. I don't relate to these footballers who should be thankful for the opportunity to live their dream. This whole situation begger belief.
 
Goal wise yes, but there's a lot more to football than that. Am I wrong in considering welbeck to be a much better footballer?

Don't get me wrong, Hernandez has got a part to play.
 
Hang on, Welbeck's in the last year of his contract?

So are we trying to ruin ourselves or is the club just suddenly being run by feckwits?
 
GCHQ said:
Season tickets? The significance of season ticket income to the club has already decreased rapidly over the last five years and in five years time it will represent an absolute pittance of the club's total revenue.

Commercial appeal is very important whether you like it or not and it will be reflected in the Hernandez/Welbeck salary packages.

EDIT - There's no real battle to attract the next generation of ''local fans''. They're completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
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GCHQ said:
So what? I've made it perfectly clear why those local people going to Old Trafford will provide an ever decreasing amount of importance to the club's fortunes over the years to come. They're ''reasonably insignificant'' at this point in time. Fast forward five to ten years and yes, I'm afraid ''essentially meaningless'' would be an accurate description.

People always try to make me out to be the bad guy but I'm just telling it how it is!
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Wow, those are two really, really bad posts.

The appeal of United to people across the world has nothing to do with the extreme passion of local support? Sorry, that's quite incorrect.

What % of our income is from ticket sales? It's surely not a 'reasonably insignificant' amount, that would be the our endorsement with Turkish Air, if it disappeared we'd hardly notice.

If the stadium was empty every week the club would collapse.
 
Danny's father is his agent, am I right? I expect this situation to be sorted out in our favour at some point in the near future.
 
gooDevil said:
You do have to wonder why we didn't extend him last summer, especially if SAF saw him as the first choice striker.
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We either really have got our heads buried up our own arse or are deliberately trying to encourage players into fecking off.

Welbeck's one of the most important players at the club and we've let his contract wind down to less than 12 months...I mean, what?
 
GCHQ said:
Why's it too far? It's true!

I'm a local fan by the way!
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Really?


GCHQ said:
Where was the mention of the core support in the IPO?

The club has been pitched by the banks as anything from a global media company to a global consumer brand.

Now I love Manchester as a City but I don't think I'd find many locals who'd disagree that Manchester is completely meaningless in global terms.
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Have you ever been to Manchester? There's not a single true Mancunian who doesn't believe the city is the centre of the universe.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Always made sense to negotiate an extension this summer. After his debut season as a first-team regular.
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Was it not blatantly obvious he was worth keeping hold of at this time last year then?

If I'm him, once it gets to this stage, I'm looking at offers from other clubs to cover myself.
 
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