Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Sir A1ex said:
...or a nationality if you look at an Israeli passport, but that's beside the point.
American can refer to anybody from the Americas, so isn't purely a nationality, while Emirati also refers to an ethnic group. To try and get pedantic about it is pointless.

To claim to not appreciate the difference between talking about City's owners being Arabs, and ours being Jews is obtuse to the point of idiocy or, worse, bigotry.
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No it's that the word 'jew' has become a loaded term in the western world whereas it's ok to use 'arab' because the same history isn't behind that world. It really comes down to what's PC and what's not in the west.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
he and almost all the lads on here don't have the same unique skillset that welbz does in a industry that is of as high a demand that welbz performs in. So it doesn't make any sense to compare 'us' to welbz.

Though there might be a couple of traders or surgeons on here that might clear 20k a week on here and rightly so if the market bears their wage.
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Sure but we're United fans and so is Danny...What's laughable is where the games going with kid. It's no wonder most don't improve because they're already earning too much too soon.
 
Striker10 said:
Sure but we're United fans and so is Danny...What's laughable is where the games going with kid. It's no wonder most don't improve because they're already earning too much too soon.
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All wages are rising in football due to the influx of more and more TV money. Check out the numbers of the PL tv deal renewal and UEFA is expecting double the tv money for CL renewal deals.

Naturally wage inflation will occur at all stages of the game so it is reasonable to expect professionals of all ages to get their share.

It's all relative though. Kids are earning a tonne, but the top end is earning even more so I would imagine they would be just as driven to reach the top.

It isn't like rooney is still on 100k but kids are now on 30k.
 
Ismail Elezi said:
Well, we call here everybody with their pseudo-names. For example, who is Hectic?
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Yes, because my name on here is Hectic, so you call me Hectic, not 'Heclay' or something equally gay.

If Rooney wanted his name to be pronounced, 'Ronza' or 'Waka Floka Wazza', then great, but to my knowledge he doesn't.
 
Hectic said:
Yes, because my name on here is Hectic, so you call me Hectic, not 'Heclay' or something equally gay.

If Rooney wanted his name to be pronounced, 'Ronza' or 'Waka Floka Wazza', then great, but to my knowledge he doesn't.
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Heclay sounds really cool. Hector too.
 
Hectic said:
Yes, because my name on here is Hectic, so you call me Hectic, not 'Heclay' or something equally gay.

If Rooney wanted his name to be pronounced, 'Ronza' or 'Waka Floka Wazza', then great, but to my knowledge he doesn't.
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Heckers would be ok, if you'd gone to the right school.

You'd have had to be anally shagged for a few years though, but at least you'd have a cool tie as well.
 
Difficult to say where we are with that at this moment in time" ‪
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Regarding Welbeck's contract. Bit worrying this, hopefully he signs a new one.
 
Absolutely ridiculous. Give him 60k, it's not unreasonable. Club taking advantage of local lads affection towards the club it would seem. The struggle with contracts we seem to have time and time again is nothing but immensely frustrating.
 
He'll sign a new contract. There's nothing wrong with us trying to keep it as low as possible if we can. I don't exactly pity his current wage.
 
Shouldn't let it run into the last 12 months. Sort it out quickly or it starts to become a problem.
 
Although there have been sporadic claims of interest from United in Robin van Persie, who has decided not to renew his contract with Arsenal, it rather overlooks Welbeck's impressive development.

Tipped by Ferguson as an outsider for England's 2010 World Cup squad, the 21-year-old took slightly longer to make his mark than his manager thought.

For it was this summer, at Euro 2012, that Welbeck announced his arrival on the international stage, fending off Andy Carroll to become England's number one target man.

Welbeck started all four games in Ukraine, scoring a spectacular winner against Sweden in Kiev, doubling an England tally that began the previous month with a well-taken winner against Belgium.

However, when he reports for duty at United's Carrington training complex later this month, Welbeck faces an even more formidable challenge, living up to his manager's high expectations.

And for that he will need to increase his output from the 12 goals he scored last term, nine of which came in the Premier League.

"Danny can be a top player but obviously he will have to improve his goalscoring," said Ferguson.

"He got nine goals last season but if you are going to be a top striker you have to get 20 or above.

"I think he will do that."

Brought up in the same Longsight district of Manchester as Wes Brown, United have taken a keen interest in Welbeck from a very early age.

It is a good job too as it allowed more thorough treatment of injuries that otherwise might have halted his progress.

"He's always had growth spurts and all little things like weak knees and weak thighs. It was happening all the time," said Ferguson.

"So we fostered him from the age of nine right through that period when he was developing."

And, for defenders at any rate, the nightmare is that Ferguson does not feel Welbeck has completed that physical development yet.

"He's not got his full body yet," he said. "There's a lot of growth in him yet.

"At 6ft 3in, I don't think he'll get taller, it will go the other way, and he is very powerful already.

"He's got good movement and courage, plus confidence on the ball.

"And he showed maturity at the Euros by playing three games in seven days, which he has certainly not done for us before."

In fact, the only difficulty United are encountering with Welbeck just now is the frustrating amount of time it is taking to negotiate a new contract for the striker, whose present deal expires in 12 months' time.

It had been hoped negotiations would be concluded before the new campaign gets under way.

However, Ferguson has been unable to offer any meaningful update.

"It's difficult to say where we are with that at this moment in time," said the Scot.

Yet, if Welbeck headed off on holiday buoyed by his international experience, for strike partner Wayne Rooney it was another summer of frustration.

Once again at a major tournament, Rooney failed to do himself justice, missing England's opening two games through suspension, then producing below-par displays against Ukraine - even though he scored - and Italy as Roy Hodgson's men crashed out in the quarter-finals.

Not that Ferguson was entirely surprised.

Having worked with Rooney for eight years now, he always felt that lengthy gap between his star man scoring for United in their last-day win over Sunderland and his opening salvos of Euro 2012 might present an insurmountable barrier.

"I always thought it was difficult," said Ferguson.

"We know him better than anybody and he needs a lot of football.

"Wayne's a stocky lad. If he misses a couple of games, it takes him three or four to come back and he didn't play from his last game (for United) on May 13 until the third game of the Euros more than a month later."

In fact, Rooney did manage a 37-minute friendly appearance against Belgium in between.

However, when England needed a big performance from their talisman against Italy, Ferguson detected tiredness from his outing against Ukraine.

"He didn't look as sharp as normal," said Ferguson.

"It is very hard to play two big games in four days."

Ferguson sees no long-term problem though.

Neither does he feel Rooney was placed under too much pressure in an era when star men are scrutinised like never before.

"It's a fact of life," he said.

"I read an article that Argentina have never taken to Messi. Then he goes and scores a hat-trick against Brazil with that incredible third goal.

"People were saying Spain weren't the force they were, then Xavi produces the kind of performance he did. It was brilliant.

"Great players have to deal with these things."
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Found the full interview. Fergie doesn't sound too worried.
 
Twitter rumor going around that talks are sucking big time, which is why we're after RVP. Seems a bit of 2 + 2 = 5 to me, but you never know.

Why we'd let him leave is beyond me.
 
Fergie commented earlier today that the contract talks had not progressed but he didn't seem too concerned about it. Welbeck is United through and through. No fear at all. He'll sign soon enough once he is back from his holidays.
 
Beachryan said:
Twitter rumor going around that talks are sucking big time, which is why we're after RVP. Seems a bit of 2 + 2 = 5 to me, but you never know.

Why we'd let him leave is beyond me.
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No Twitter rumors of that sort. Stop talking nonsense
 
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2 - The two highest scoring PL players born in the 1990s are Mario Balotelli (19) and Danny Welbeck (16). Impact.

Take away Mario's penalties and it's even more impressive.
 
He will stay, it's just negotiations. He's a local lad and we are probably trying to play on that a bit and not offering what he is worth. He wants what he is worth which is fair enough, we will want to keep him in the end and he will want to stay.
 
Rumour going about on twatter that Danny Welbeck has been offered to Arsenal on loan as part of the RvP deal?
 
Summit said:
Rumour going about on twatter that Danny Welbeck has been offered to Arsenal on loan as part of the RvP deal?
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He's in the last year of his contract. I just can't see that happening at all. Surely we'd want him to stay?

Looks like twitter rubbish to me. I think the rumours only surfaced after the traveling squad was announced.
 
Damien1990 said:
He's in the last year of his contract. I just can't see that happening at all. Surely we'd want him to stay?
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The rumour is, 19.5m and Welbeck for a year long loan? Also the person tweeting it has announced he is not in the squad to travel to Germany.
 
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