Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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Young had 1 year left on his contract, brought his price down.
There are also established players like Young that sells for 17m euro
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Journalists of the world would have me believe that the number of years left on a contact effects price.
why do you want a market value now?
goo, do you think Welbeck is the solution to our midfield problems?
No, did I say something to that effect?
just wondering. you seem to like the idea of strikers acting as midfield cover.
I do? I'm sure I suggested Rooney could play in midfield, something SAF seems to agree with as he played him there, but that's not where I'd prefer him, its more of an idea for the future, I can see him following Scholes's path from striker to midfielder as age takes it toll.
I can't think of another striker I've suggested start in midfield, though I've gotten some stick for suggesting Sneijder could follow Modric's example and become a more deep lying midfielder.
I can't think of another striker I've suggested start in midfield, though I've gotten some stick for suggesting Sneijder could follow Modric's example and become a more deep lying midfielder.
If Andy Carrol cos-
No no, thats just ridiculous
No no, thats just ridiculous
have you still not seen the thread in the transfer forum? Have you not figured out why you got your tagline yet?Nope, I'll go check it out!
It does, I just put my waggly finger in the wrong place. Sorry.
Man, I am so stupid!
Though it does make me think of a question I've had. When a team plays 4231, is the player in the middle of the line of 3, a midfielder or a forward? Part of the whole point of that formation is for that #10 player to be able to join the midfield on defense to counteract a midfield 3 for the opposition. And yet that same #10 is the hub of the offense.
I'd call it an attacking midfielder position, which is probably why I thought Giroud was an attacking midfielder when he was playing behind Benzema in a 4231.
Though that's not as funny as the idea I'm an idiot, I'll admit.
Though it does make me think of a question I've had. When a team plays 4231, is the player in the middle of the line of 3, a midfielder or a forward? Part of the whole point of that formation is for that #10 player to be able to join the midfield on defense to counteract a midfield 3 for the opposition. And yet that same #10 is the hub of the offense.
I'd call it an attacking midfielder position, which is probably why I thought Giroud was an attacking midfielder when he was playing behind Benzema in a 4231.
Though that's not as funny as the idea I'm an idiot, I'll admit.
Generally they are midfielders, but you can have a striker who is technically able like rooney/RVP to do that job aswell.
People like Ozil/Kagawa you could class more of a forward at times, but they are generally seen as Attacking midfielders in terms of position.
I don't get it either. Maybe it's a generational thing.
If you're average you're 'horrendously shite and rubbish and will never make it..' if you're promising and happy to have a young guy doing well "way over hyped. Not even that good.."
I don't get it. I don't see the overhype either. The lads clearly got his head screwed on anyways. I think that is the best part about it all.
The lad is a starter for both his club and country, 2 of the biggest teams in the world.
I dont think anybody expects him to turn out like messi, or maybe quite reach the heights of Henry in his prime, but what we will have is a strong, quick and skillful player who works his bollocks off in every game. Not much more you can ask than that!.
Being brought through as a 5 year old at the club you know hes not going to go off the rails and start asking for a move to madrid, he will be at the club aslong as we stay competitive and want him here, and i think that is why we are all so happy.
I dont think anybody expects him to turn out like messi, or maybe quite reach the heights of Henry in his prime, but what we will have is a strong, quick and skillful player who works his bollocks off in every game. Not much more you can ask than that!.
Being brought through as a 5 year old at the club you know hes not going to go off the rails and start asking for a move to madrid, he will be at the club aslong as we stay competitive and want him here, and i think that is why we are all so happy.
England? Biggest team in the world? Come on mate!
England are certainly one of the biggest teams in the World, what are you on about?
Think Carroll will take his place against Italy. Long ball game will be favored. Might even play Downing given Youngs injury.
Not at international level, where "big" is judged on trophies and current success not money.
Really? What have they done recently? Or rather, what have they done in their history? 1 World Cup. I'm not meaning to put the English down, I genuinely don't think they are a "big" international team.
Depends on your scale really but I agree, of course they are one of the biggest in the world.
The birthplace of football and one of the best supported international teams, drawing players from the best league in the world. I agree England are not big in terms of success but they definitely are in terms of support, recognition and global appeal.
Ireland spent most of the game against Italy trying route one football with absolutely zero success. Their centre-halve ate up all the high balls with ease. On the very rare occasion we did trouble their defence it was by playing the type of football that should suit a Welbeck-Rooney partnership.
Might be different with Chiellini missing, he is a vital player in their defense.
Birthplace of football = Agree.
Best league in the world = Arguable. Plus the fact that most of the players in the league are not English, so I don't see how that matters.
I don't see how you count "big" in terms of support? Could you explain that? The way I look at it, people from their country, support their country. They are recognized as perpetual chokers/under achievers, and I don't see what the huge global appeal is. I could be wrong, but that's just me.
Big as in we're one of the biggest national teams in the World, pretty fecking simple really.
Why are Sweden opening their new national stadium this winter with a friendly against England... because we're one of biggest national teams in the World. Don't even try denying this fact, it's just bloody silly.
Well you didn't answer my question. If your capable of having rational conversation, go ahead. If not, your just living up to your username and not listening to other opinions. I disagree. Deal with it. Or don't. I don't care.
People measure "big" by different things. I don't think the English national team is "big".
England is most certainly considered on of the 'big' international teams just like Spain was before they won everything in sight. And I can tell you this from an African perspective for example. 'Big' teams among others would include the likes of:
Brazil
Argentina
Spain
Germany
Holland
Italy
France
and...believe it or not, England. It is not necessarily based upon how much they've won, but rather the potential talent they have due to the quality of footballers they produce. And in England's case they produce this talent through the EPL which is widely regarded as on of the best leagues in the world. So simply put, yes, they are a big team. Whether they under achieve or not, they are a big team.
after all, they have JT
Looking at it that way, prior to 2008, Spain had been pretty much a shite/average team for 44 years. Or 24 years (if runner-up counts). Would you agree?
In any event, why are we derailing?
Welbeck is certainly more appreciated by opposition fans than is on the caf. All my mates who support other teams admire the boy and believe he's going to be a key player for us in years to come. The caf eh...
Welbeck is certainly more appreciated by opposition fans than is on the caf. All my mates who support other teams admire the boy and believe he's going to be a key player for us in years to come. The caf eh...
Let's get this argument beyond whether England are a big international team. The argument was that Welbeck is a starter for two of the world's biggest teams, Manchester United (accepted) and England. Well, hate to break it to you guys, but England isn't blessed with strikers, and wheter you'd like to accept it or not, he probably wouldn't start in about 10 of the best international teams. Hell, I'd wager had Bent not injured himself he would've started rightly or wrongly ahead of Welbeck.
You're kidding right? Welbeck is good, but the CAF are spouting bollocks like "next Henry" coming off a season where he has scored 12 goals. Welbeck is a classic case of the CAF spunking before the big show, same with Cleverley. The latter had 15 appearances, mostly substitutes, and suddenly he's the next iniesta.
You're kidding right? Welbeck is good, but the CAF are spouting bollocks like "next Henry" coming off a season where he has scored 12 goals. Welbeck is a classic case of the CAF spunking before the big show, same with Cleverley. The latter had 15 appearances, mostly substitutes, and suddenly he's the next iniesta.
Love the white text! You may be right - I just disagree. Or maybe I have a different definition of "big". With regards to quality players, wasn't it Sir Alex who said that England had produced only 1 since 1966? I just don't consider them that "big".
Well yes, in a way. They were perpetual underachievers like England are. FYI, I LIKE England, and have nothing against the place or players (other than JT)
Yeah, I seem to recall talk that Bent would be the lead striker ahead of Rooney. Amazing how many times a major injury will end up being good for the team because the replacement is able to make the most of the opportunity.
But on one said he's as good as Henry, just that he has a similar skill set and physical gifts.
Measure it by whatever you like, England are one of the biggest international teams with one of the biggest names in football. We're not talking about success here, although, England are ranked no. 6 on FIFA's silly list, denying the popularity and global appeal of "England" is pretty retarded.
Who cares whether or not he'd start or not in other International teams?
He's a starter in ours and is doing the business.
He's a starter in ours and is doing the business.
It was a response to an earlier argument.
You see, the thing that pisses me off about this forum is the way it seriously overrates some players. Anderson, Cleverley, Rafael, Welbeck. Players who might one day be good if not great players. And absolutely lynch's certain players, Evans, O'Shea, Hernandez. But instead of taking it all with a pinch of salt people go overboard, comparing Welbeck to Henry, Cleverley to Iniesta based on minimal appearances. How many more seasons must we hear "This could be Anderson's break through year!" and despite our patience with him, I recall some muppet saying Hernandez needs to up his act next year or else be sold, despite being the joint-second highest scorer with CAF favourite Welbeck.
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