Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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He's never shown signs of being a prolific goalscorer, which makes it rather odd that he's being criticised for it. It's fine that he's not there yet as he's young and learning, another victim of the caf's rollercoaster judgement of young players.

The only thing we should be asking of the youngsters is that they improve season on season, Welbeck has in nearly every way.
 
For me Welbeck needs a rest. I thought his finishing was poor yesterday but his runs and positioning suggest he's got it what it takes. Next season will be a big one for him.
 
Welbeck is a great young player, but we have been very lucky that his poor recent finishing hasn't cost us points. For the run in we should be playing either Hernandez or Berbatov from the start with Danny as an option from the bench.

He has had a great season and will surely improve even more over the coming seasons, but he just isn't nearly clinical enough in front of goal yet to command a CF position at this pivotal time of the season.
 
He rushes his finishing at times. He'll learn to be more composed with age, as Rooney has.

Rooney never looked like being a 25 + goals a season man. Now he is.
 
He's a little rough around the edges but he's been pretty impressive considering I'd never thought he'd make the step up.

Next season or two will be an interesting watch.
 
marjen said:
He rushes his finishing at times. He'll learn to be more composed with age, as Rooney has.

Rooney never looked like being a 25 + goals a season man. Now he is.
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Never? From the moment I saw him smash that goal against Arsenal I would have said 25+ goals is what he was about. I never thought his allround game and his heading ability would be what it is.It's a testament to his ability and professionalism.

To compare Welbeck with other great strikers is unfortunate but it's what being a Utd player is ultimatey going to be about.There woulld be less focus if he was at Newcastle for example. How much he develops is as much down to what's in his head as it's in his b oots. He has ability and I'm glad SAF is keeping faith in him.I for one am not convinced he's stopped physically developing.

Next season will be an interesting one for him
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Never? From the moment I saw him smash that goal against Arsenal I would have said 25+ goals is what he was about. I never thought his allround game and his heading ability would be what it is.It's a testament to his ability and professionalism.
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It was his allround game that made Rooney so exciting at 16/17, not his finishing. It was his pace, his dribbling, his long shots, his passing, his power, his enthusiasm and his work rate. Not his goalscoring exploits. He didn't hit 20 league goals in a season for us until 09/10, the season where he finally found some consistancy in his goalscoring, and the season he was played up front on his own(which ultimately aided his development into a hybrid playmaker/top scorer, Ferguson knew it seems).

He was inconsistant in front of goal, and never a "goalscorer" as such. He didn't score the "simple" goals enough, because his positioning, his movement and his anticipation wasn't there, as well as him lacking a bit of composure when faced with an opportunity. I think Rooney's the sort of player to look to for those who wonder whether a player can develop into a "natural born goalscorer". I do think it's possible to become a great goalscorer by practice, you don't have to be "born with it", like for instance Hernandez. Rooney is a perfect example.
 
Rooney has always been an all-round footballer. I really didn't think he'd turn into the consistent goal-scorer he has now, so we're very lucky in that aspect. I think that although he has lost some of his explosiveness, his improvement in finishing and goalscoring has been vital for us in recent years.
 
I always saw Rooney as a player who had the ability to be a complete forward back when he started playing for us to be honest. I thought of him as someone who could score 25+ goals a season, however I also thought that he'd have the ability to be the complete forward he has developed into now as well. He was seen by many as someone who could be one of the best players in the world, meaning he'd be able to do a bit of everything.

This season is the one where he's really started to show that. He's been playing in his second striker role, influencing the game most of the time, while still scoring a lot of goals at the same time. He really started to reach his peak in 2009/2010, but the difference is that he was playing as an out and out striker.

I think that he never really found the level he's finding now because of the way he was held back when Ronaldo was the best player in the world for us. He wasn't allowed to be the creator in behind the main striker, or the man leading the line because he was often shifted out wide. He still did a good job because that's the sort of player he is, but it wasn't what he did best. Now though, he's getting the chance to show his true all-round game.
 
Welbeck's all round game is outstanding but his finishing is poor to say the least. Every time he gets a chance I expect him to hit the keeper instead of the back of the net.
 
young Rooney was a scorer of great goals, not a great goalscorer

now he's matured he is a goalscorer

give Welbeck time, he's got all the attributes
 
Devilton said:
Anderson was brought up because you mentioned Welbecks age being the only saving grace...i just wanted to point out that you use Andersons age on a regular basis to defend him and he's a lot older then Welbeck.
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I still don't see its relevance. For I mentioned Welbeck's age in response to someone who thought it was okay for Welbeck to miss chance after chance just because he was getting into scoring positions. Rather than because it is bad that being young is his saving grace.

Any way my main point about Welbeck was finishing is a major weakness he has. Which can and will be worked on.
 
marjen said:
He didn't hit 20 league goals in a season for us until 09/10, the season where he finally found some consistancy in his goalscoring, and the season he was played up front on his own(which ultimately aided his development into a hybrid playmaker/top scorer, Ferguson knew it seems).
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69 goals in 113 starts since 08/09, compared to 97 in 220 starts in the five seasons prior. Remarkable improvement, especially when you consider that 13 of those starts were in the first half of last season, when he did nothing but mope around, threaten to leave, and score a couple of penalties.

As an aside, he started 51 games in 2006/07, which is astonishing considering he was only 20/21.
 
It is true that the sixteen year old Rooney wasn't all about goals. I remember watching near enough every Everton game in the season he broke through hoping he would get a cameo and run at people or do something special. Saying that I always thought there was a top goalscorer in there. I mean, he went to the euros and was blasting them in for England then came here and scored a hat trick on his debut. Twenty five goals a season was always something that wouldn't have shocked you with him anyway.

Welbeck will get a lot better though, that's for sure. His link-up play, which is probably his greatest strength, has been really poor the last few games. He keeps underhitting lay-offs and putting people under pressure. Whether that's down to a laxness in his game at the minute or due to poor form is open for debate. We all know he's much better at that side of the game anyway so that isn't much of a worry at the minute. His finishing isn't the best though, but a lot of great strikers weren't banging them in at his age so I wouldn't worry to much. He'll end up a very good player for us, that I'm sure of.
 
I think Welbeck is just a bit frustrated, currently. He's trying to shine as a front man whilst not being a natural goal-scorer. It's difficult for a player like that, even if your overall game is good.

It's not a problem currently given that we're winning and in good form, but it does present something of a dilemma. At the moment, the best thing to do would be to get Welbeck used to having the football at his feet, which is not something that can easily be done in competitive Premiership games if he's the furthest man forward. This could be done by putting him on the wing, though it really wouldn't be fair on Young, nor would it necessarily be a good thing to get Welbeck too used to playing there (he is already shy in front of goal - we don't want to further dilute the idea of scoring).

It's a strange one but, again, it's not too problematic a scenario. He's got years ahead of him yet, and all the talent in the world.
 
He's been overrated on here. His buildup play isn't as good as most people on here suggest, and he tends to overthink his shots for some reason. He's a good player, but he has some way to go.
 
His build up play is excellent, but inconsistent. I don't think he's really been overrated from what I've seen - I think he's been marked by most as a good Premiership player, with the potential to be top-notch.

Which sounds about right.
 
adexkola said:
He's been overrated on here. His buildup play isn't as good as most people on here suggest, and he tends to overthink his shots for some reason. He's a good player, but he has some way to go.
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I'd tend to agree with this. He's got a lot of potential and could be a very good player, but I tend to think that his technical ability is largely overrated by some.
 
golden_blunder said:
i think he means the new fall guy for a section of so called fans
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He's obviously not been reading this thread properly then. Welbeck hasn't really received that much criticism in comparison to Evans.
 
How can Welbeck be the fall guy when even out of form he still offers us more then Hernandez?
 
cheesy said:
I'd tend to agree with this. He's got a lot of potential and could be a very good player, but I tend to think that his technical ability is largely overrated by some.
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His technical ability is and always has been top drawer, think I said in a prediction thread somewhere that by 2013/14 Welbeck will be a world top 10 player, and I am ever more convinced of this.
 
Fiskey said:
His technical ability is and always has been top drawer, think I said in a prediction thread somewhere that by 2013/14 Welbeck will be a world top 10 player, and I am ever more convinced of this.
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That's where I don't agree. It's way too unpredictable for me. Sometimes it looks top drawer, but sometimes it looks woeful as well. There are times when his touch is off, which in turn leads to the rest of his technical game looking average as well.

I agree that he'll be a very good player, but to say he'll ever reach a top 10 world player is probably an exaggerration, and to say that he'll be there by 2013/2014 is ridiculous in my opinion.
 
cheesy said:
That's where I don't agree. It's way too unpredictable for me. Sometimes it looks top drawer, but sometimes it looks woeful as well. There are times when his touch is off, which in turn leads to the rest of his technical game looking average as well.
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Could say the same about Wayne Rooney and he seems to be doing ok for us..
 
Welbeck is a cracking player but he is not doing what he is paid to do, score goals. Fortunately the rest of the team are riding high but next season United need to sign a class centre forward.
 
The quicker the play, the better he looks. Started the season in flying form, in those halycon days of the Cleverley/ Anderson axis. Never looks as good when, for example, a mid to lower ranked team park the bus at Old Trafford and we have to break them down. More instinct than composure, not unusual in a guy his age. Massive step up in the pecking order this season, don't think anyone at OT will be disappointed with his year.
 
Stookie said:
Welbeck is a cracking player but he is not doing what he is paid to do, score goals. Fortunately the rest of the team are riding high but next season United need to sign a class centre forward.
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He's paid to play football, and if he wasn't doing that job very well then he wouldn't be playing nearly every game he's available for. His form has tailed off a little of late, but the excellent performances he's put in throughout the year shouldn't be so easily forgotten.

And the Rooney examples aren't at all far off the mark, he used to irk the hell out of me when he kept on missing simple 1 on 1s.
 
golden_blunder said:
i think he means the new fall guy for a section of so called fans
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It is reactionary. He was flavour of the month a short while back. He has gone off form recently and he needs to improve his finishing but all in all, this season has been a success for him
 
It's so clear to see the talent he has, but like any young player whos learning his trade he has to sort a certain facet of his game before he becomes the player we know he's going to be. It's weird with his finishing though, when he was in the reserves he looked a very natural finisher and the way he passed the ball into the net. It might be a case of him trying to place the ball too much instead of just spanking it.

He'll be a tremendous player in my opinion, yes he needs to work on his finishing and he'll go through parts of the game seemingly unable to stand up but he's got the whole package. Physically gifted, intelligent but just lacks that killer instinct. We'll score some great goals for years to come as a result of his one-twos in the area.
 
Welbeck has really gone off the boil recently which is a shame. He just doesn't seem on the same wavelength at times, he makes runs the other players aren't expected and doesnt make the ones they are.

I think getting Cleverley back into the team will help his game substantially, they always linked up very well.
 
It is his first season and he played more than he probably expected himself. He is very talented and people forget that he had some brilliant games, scoring goals and make us play well.
It has been a long season for him and we can see that, but the reactions here are way over the top
 
I think he is a good finisher, some of his goals in the past has proven that. Just needs a bit more composure in the box, so his not scuffing or getting the ball under his feet. The bit of play where Young fed him in on the left, I thought he was going to curl it into the far post, he's done it before (Derby three seasons ago) just fluffed his lines this time.

Still scored more goals in the league than Drogba and Torres combined.
 
This reminds me of the Andy Cole days when everyone complained that he needed two or three chances before he scored one.

But perhaps Cole deserved and Welbeck now deserves some credit for getting into the right positions to score which is more than can be said for a lot of players.

Not everyone is RVN, Ole or Chicharito. We are a spoiled lot.
 
Ferguson said:
This reminds me of the Andy Cole days when everyone complained that he needed two or three chances before he scored one.

But perhaps Cole deserved and Welbeck now deserves some credit for getting into the right positions to score which is more than can be said for a lot of players.

Not everyone is RVN, Ole or Chicharito. We are a spoiled lot.
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