Thought he was ok today apart from the finishing. You're doing something right when you're getting into a position to miss all those chances he does.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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Not sure i agree with that - ronaldo couldn't finish to save his life in his first couple of seasons then became, well, ronaldo.
That said Ronaldo isn't exactly your typical young striking talent...
Young player is inconsistent. Shocking, I don't think I can eat my chippy tea after this news.
His link up play and passing were rubbish, and his finishing was, well it is getting annoying.
He needs to really work on his finishing this summer.
not worried about him.
He's having a poor patch of form and unfortunately so is Hernandez but I think some are being a bit harsh because of how over the top some of the praise has been. Danny is a good young player with a big part to play for United over the next decade, that's good enough, he doesn't need to be the new Henry or whatever.
Yeah right. If it was a Berbatov or Owen doing that they'd be getting crucified. The only excuse Welbeck has is he is young and learning. For his misses are getting pretty unacceptable at times.
He needs a rest now, he looks knackered and his brain's gone. Perfectly normal, but still the case.
I agree with those who'd play Rooney up top. Can play Giggs behind him if necessary, or Young, or even Nani.
I agree with those who'd play Rooney up top. Can play Giggs behind him if necessary, or Young, or even Nani.
I think people need to remember how young and inexperienced both Welbeck and Hernandez are (yes, Chico won the league last year but lets not forget before then the highest level of football he has been exposed to was the Mexican league).
Its true Welbs isn't playing wonderfully at the moment and for a centre forward his finishing right now, frankly, is poor. However I think earlier this season he'd have buried the chances he had today. Its nerves. This is Welbeck's first taste of squeaky bum time and if you don't think that effects you just have a look at how City have collapsed.
Without the pressure of knowing every goal counts, every point counts I reckon Welbeck could've got a brace today. But this isn't early days, this is the title run in and that pressure is weighing down on every touch he takes in the box. Its obvious. Still getting used to that pressure, the demands of winning relentlessly is just part and parcel of growing up as a United player. Next year having had the experience of the title chase and knowing what to expect I doubt he'll let anxiety get to him as much as he has at the tail end of this season. Its a learning process.
Its true Welbs isn't playing wonderfully at the moment and for a centre forward his finishing right now, frankly, is poor. However I think earlier this season he'd have buried the chances he had today. Its nerves. This is Welbeck's first taste of squeaky bum time and if you don't think that effects you just have a look at how City have collapsed.
Without the pressure of knowing every goal counts, every point counts I reckon Welbeck could've got a brace today. But this isn't early days, this is the title run in and that pressure is weighing down on every touch he takes in the box. Its obvious. Still getting used to that pressure, the demands of winning relentlessly is just part and parcel of growing up as a United player. Next year having had the experience of the title chase and knowing what to expect I doubt he'll let anxiety get to him as much as he has at the tail end of this season. Its a learning process.
He really needs to work hard on his finishing. He had loads of time on the chance where he was put 1-on-1 with the GK and he could only shot it straight at him.
Is that Hellboy poster another of Baz's wum accounts? He seems to post nothing but nonsense. Literally every post has been so much full of shite I can't actually believe it's a real opinion.
I still have no doubt he will be a regular 20 league goals a season man in a few years. Two things he needs to learn, from experience or working hard, composure and his movement in the box.
His all round movement is good, but when he gets into the box he seems a bit unsure of where to go, especially in comparison with Hernandez. Like we did with Rooney, that can be taught. I've got a feeling his composure will come, i don't think he's a kenny miller or a heskey where he will always snatch at chances. When he's truly comfortable at this level and with his own game then he'll slot away the chances he makes for himself imho. Time will tell on that one though.
Bad form, very classy player though.
His all round movement is good, but when he gets into the box he seems a bit unsure of where to go, especially in comparison with Hernandez. Like we did with Rooney, that can be taught. I've got a feeling his composure will come, i don't think he's a kenny miller or a heskey where he will always snatch at chances. When he's truly comfortable at this level and with his own game then he'll slot away the chances he makes for himself imho. Time will tell on that one though.
Bad form, very classy player though.
Certainly I felt it was his touch that was off today - it affected his passing (which was often well-thought but poorly executed) and his finishing.
He's still a work in progress, but the signs are very good.
There are aspects of his play which should get better once he establishes a good run of form. His finishing, inter play and positioning for one. But the work ethic and the willingness to make runs and pull markers away from players behind him is good.
Evan at this stage he offers more to the team then Hernandez even when he has an average game because he can do a lot of other things relatively well. Still very young and the fact he has improved every year is a BIG plus.
There are aspects of his play which should get better once he establishes a good run of form. His finishing, inter play and positioning for one. But the work ethic and the willingness to make runs and pull markers away from players behind him is good.
Evan at this stage he offers more to the team then Hernandez even when he has an average game because he can do a lot of other things relatively well. Still very young and the fact he has improved every year is a BIG plus.
If it works for Anderson then it should be good enough for a much younger Welbeck. Ando regularly misplaces relatively simple 20-25 yard passes so it's not hard to see Welbeck missing chances (which are always a lot harder given the pressure)
WTF has this to do with anderson? Who got his fair share of stick as well for beeing a bit shit at shooting.
Welbeck's finishing has been woeful the last couple of games. But young'n'learning.
Still think with Berbatov and probably Owen leaving we should probably look out for a class striker.
Made some cracking runs and got in great positions, not enough done with the ball though. Frustrating but even today his quality was clear for all to see.
Club football to be precise otherwise he also played and did well in the world cup
If by 'not enough' you mean nothing, then you're right. He hardly touched the ball constructively for the first 75 minutes. That can't be good enough.
It'll be interesting to see what Fergie does over the summer. He has shown great faith in Welbeck, which is shared by almost the entire Cafe, so I don't see us buying a striker.
I'm dying to see this at some point. His skillset is so well suited to that position.
Fortunately the rest of the team have been able to carry a luxury, which is what Welbeck has become at the moment. In the long run we have to hope that the opportunities to learn that he is being given will pay off in his development as a player. I confess that I'm trending back towards my opinion of a couple of years ago - that he's not going to quite make it to the highest level. Doesn't mean that he can't be a valuable contributor, but I wouldn't let his presence put me off buying a top shelf striker in the summer.
I want to see this as well. I explained why many times in the newbies, where others disagreed. I think Nani can be very good centrally.
He could be. Certainly deserves a chance at it.
Needs rest imo.
What does Anderson misplacing passes have to do with Welbeck and his horrendous misses?
I'd still pick Hernandez over him. Welbeck is just not clinical infront of goal when he has time to think. He's almost too casual with his finishing. It's as if someone's pulling off fancy chip where they don't it take all that seriously given how audacious the effort is. And I'm talking about regular routine chances. He seems exaggerate his attempt monumentally.
Anyways, he's a good player. Just needs to work on this bit a lot.
Anyways, he's a good player. Just needs to work on this bit a lot.
Welbeck has been a bit overplayed this year. Good for his experience but not necessarily the most effective way to rotate strikers over a long season. A bit more of Hernandez and Berbatov (even if he is leaving) would have kept Welbeck fresher as well.
I'm not sure you understand youth development or even the concept of what makes a player a "luxury". A player who puts in the kind of hard work he does can never be classed as a "luxury" it garuntees that even on an average day like yesterday he is still not an overall liability to the team. If you want to see what a "luxury" looks like look no further than Balotelli on yesterdays form.
Some on this forum need to take a step back and learn to asses things as a whole to put them into context in much the same way as they needed to do during Jones rough spell earlier this season. Both players are under the age of 22 and playing their first seasons for the biggest club in britain and one of the biggest clubs in the world, did any of you really beleive it would be all plain sailing for them this season?
It goes right to the heart of what SAF said about some not being able to identify talent although you would think by now that some would have gotten better at it, sadly many can't even see whats been demonstrated in front of their own eyes on many occasions this season.
Yes Danny hasn't been up to standard lately in front of goal, however he will probably start the next game on the basis of this hold up play and link up play which for the large part hasn't suffered at all, but also on the basis that every game he starts this season will be valuble experiance for building a long term career at United. He is clearly still learning which includes learning how to handle taking chances when alot of pressure is on(leading an attack during a title run in) but he will get there eventually, I just wish some would have more patience whilst he does.
I've said all along he will be a special player for United as the years go on and despite his recent form I still stand by that, its not just a case of "local boy made good" its about seeing what a player is able to do when at his best during his first full season and realising that he can surely only get better and more consistant at doing those things.
It is a bit strange that even with Welbeck and Chicharito quite clearly out of their best form, Berba is no where near the team. I know he is going this summer, but he can still do a job before that time.
What he said. Welbeck just oozes class. The goals will come. We're in the fortunate position where a long-term investment isn't preventing us from winning the league this year. Win-win.
I also don't agree with those saying that we're carrying him. Welbecks movement and workrate already make him a very useful player, and when he has a good day his link-up play is a huge asset.
Because both still fit the patern of what the team needs alot better(workrate, movement off the ball and pace) and both are not so far away from top form that one good moment in a game won't put them back in form.
Minewhile the side is still grinding out wins which is what you expect at this stage so why rock the boat?
Did anyone really say we're "carrying him"? Jesus wept.
A young striker has a half a dozen games (or less?) where his form dips and suddenly he's a luxury who's being carried by his team-mates. Mental.
A young striker has a half a dozen games (or less?) where his form dips and suddenly he's a luxury who's being carried by his team-mates. Mental.
This place is fecking infuriating. Why can't you cnuts learn from the past?
I realise you haven't all been here for 5-6 years, but those who have been know that it's a repetitive cycle. Player gets praised, then a slump in form and he's written off as either past it or never gonna make it. Nani, Evans and Fletcher all suffered the abuse. Even Rooney, Ronaldo, Scholes and Giggs have gone through it. Even SAF himself. Not to mention the poor old squad players. Park, Carrick, O'Shea etc. Now Welbeck, Cleverley, Fabio, Rafael, Hernandez, even Smalling and Jones to an extent.
People take it for granted that we have an amazing set up that knows talent and how to develop it.
And yes, it's not the same people saying that Welbeck/Cleverley/etc won't make it who said the same about Nani or Ronaldo - but that doesn't mean you shouldn't learn from their mistakes.
I'm tempted to say fans are spoilt but that is too simplistic and ignores the main problem. You're not spoilt, you're just fecking ignorant. Not just you (well, probably YOU) but most football fans. For example, Jamie Mackie of QPR, a pretty useful player even in the PL, used to play for my local team in the Conference. Up until the time he left, or at least until his purple patch a few months before (aged 22?) there were questions raised about whether he was good enough to make it at the club, or if he could step up to League Two. And no, that wasn't you. You're different. But you regularly make equally ignorant assumptions. All of you. Even you. And especially YOU, you fecking moron.
I realise you haven't all been here for 5-6 years, but those who have been know that it's a repetitive cycle. Player gets praised, then a slump in form and he's written off as either past it or never gonna make it. Nani, Evans and Fletcher all suffered the abuse. Even Rooney, Ronaldo, Scholes and Giggs have gone through it. Even SAF himself. Not to mention the poor old squad players. Park, Carrick, O'Shea etc. Now Welbeck, Cleverley, Fabio, Rafael, Hernandez, even Smalling and Jones to an extent.
People take it for granted that we have an amazing set up that knows talent and how to develop it.
And yes, it's not the same people saying that Welbeck/Cleverley/etc won't make it who said the same about Nani or Ronaldo - but that doesn't mean you shouldn't learn from their mistakes.
I'm tempted to say fans are spoilt but that is too simplistic and ignores the main problem. You're not spoilt, you're just fecking ignorant. Not just you (well, probably YOU) but most football fans. For example, Jamie Mackie of QPR, a pretty useful player even in the PL, used to play for my local team in the Conference. Up until the time he left, or at least until his purple patch a few months before (aged 22?) there were questions raised about whether he was good enough to make it at the club, or if he could step up to League Two. And no, that wasn't you. You're different. But you regularly make equally ignorant assumptions. All of you. Even you. And especially YOU, you fecking moron.
He a luxury player in the sense that we are in a luxurious position to have him but he is in no way a passenger. He works his nuts off in every game and never gives any less than his all. He is also very intelligent and aware in and around the box. Links up well and holds the ball up well.
It's a minor dip in confidence, no more, no less. He proved at Sunderland and early this season that he can find the net. This is a small dip in form from a very young player. He is not Fernando fecking Torres!
It's a minor dip in confidence, no more, no less. He proved at Sunderland and early this season that he can find the net. This is a small dip in form from a very young player. He is not Fernando fecking Torres!
That's probably my favourite post I've read on the 'caf in months - and I fully agree with it
What does Anderson misplacing passes have to do with Welbeck and his horrendous misses?
Anderson was brought up because you mentioned Welbecks age being the only saving grace...i just wanted to point out that you use Andersons age on a regular basis to defend him and he's a lot older then Welbeck.
The stats and curve of his performances at Sunderland and United are quite similar up to this point of the season.
He started brilliantly for Sunderland, scored 5 goals in the first half of the season and finished it with 6 goals from 26 appear. He got injured at one point and this could explain his dip in form there.
Something similar has happened at United, too. He was very good in most games in the first half of the season and was scoring goals. Don't know why, maybe he got tired, but his productivity in the second half of the season, particularly over the last 2 months, hasn't been good. Overall he's scored 7 goals from 26 appear. in the league (21 starts), the goals to league games ratio is nearly the same as it was for Sunderland.
He started brilliantly for Sunderland, scored 5 goals in the first half of the season and finished it with 6 goals from 26 appear. He got injured at one point and this could explain his dip in form there.
Something similar has happened at United, too. He was very good in most games in the first half of the season and was scoring goals. Don't know why, maybe he got tired, but his productivity in the second half of the season, particularly over the last 2 months, hasn't been good. Overall he's scored 7 goals from 26 appear. in the league (21 starts), the goals to league games ratio is nearly the same as it was for Sunderland.
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