He'd be getting picked because he's better established and more experienced than Sterling (i.e reputation), when Sterling is currently playing better football especially if you're only comparing how they play as wingers.
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He'd be getting picked because he's better established and more experienced than Sterling (i.e reputation), when Sterling is currently playing better football especially if you're only comparing how they play as wingers.
What was he supposed to do, shoot from halfway line after that? Or try diagonal pass for Valencia? That would definitely be the ideal move to make next, instead of trying to run with the ball attacking the space he won, by taking few of their players out of the game.
Indeed. I'd say he gets picked in spite of his reputation, some of the dirge that gets thrown at him is ridiculous.
Especially when he actually got to the ball and won a foul. Some people make it sound as if being athletic is a negative trait. It's a good thing that he's got so many strings to his bow.
I blame the lionisation of the Barca model for attacking play. It's as though you can't be a decent player in the front six unless you're a technical midget.
I sometimes think that Welbeck would be higher rated if he had the same level of technique, but was slow and weak.
I blame the lionisation of the Barca model for attacking play. It's as though you can't be a decent player in the front six unless you're a technical midget.
I sometimes think that Welbeck would be higher rated if he had the same level of technique, but was slow and weak.
You talked about examples of players being picked on reputation turning out to be a mistake. The clear implication there is picking someone on reputation alone.
This isn't the case with welbeck. Hodgson would be picking a player who is experienced, established and in good form. He's previously delivered for England in an interntational tournament and is arguably having his best season to date for his club. Picking him seems like a sensible approach to me. More sensible than dropping him for someone who's just completed his first good season for his club and has little or no international pedigree.
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Incidentally, that freekick that Welbeck won which RVP scored from was a case in point. There are probably only about 4 or 5 players in all of Europe who would have the combination of touch, technique and pace to actually get to Giggs' pass. Danny had no right even getting close and yet he made something out of it. But he gets criticised in this thread for some reason...
he didn take a few players out of the game by running with the ball towards the space. he did that with the piece of skill then he tried to outpace the oncoming opponent by knocking the ball way forward to the point where it simply became a foot race between him and the defender and he lost. It was a moment of genuine skill mixed with a moment of loose control and that's why i said it sums him up.
he does a lot of good work and then cocks it up at the vital moment and that's what sometimes sticks more in people's minds. thought he did well yesterday but it's something to improve on as he develops
that's kind of silly when people drool over ibra's goals even if he doesnt do much for the rest of the game. danny being athletic isn't a problem. it's simply that he's still roughing out the edges in his game and so the aspects where he's lacking will be pointed out. also there's a level of impatience with young players which i quite dont understand. at the beginning of the season some fans were ready to let danny go, hopefully he's shut them up now
Why's that cocking it up, when more often than not he does actually win the foot race and is usually in behind the defence after doing so? If something doesn't work out one time, it doesn't mean it's a bad decision to have done it (we won a throw from it anyway so still had possession).
because in that instance i felt he cocked it up. that wasn the only attacking decision he could have made
Thanks for explaining that video for me, it was really tough to see what he did, explanation was definitely needed there.
He didn't lose the possession there, something that would happen with pretty much any of our player in that situation. We haven't really score the goal after his skill, but we actually did after he did similar thing later on, where he won the free kick. Again, situation where most of our players would lose the ball.
That piece of skill just showed what he is all about, and that we need to use that, it wasn't really just about that situation, but after few of those similar ones we actually created few decent attacks.
i'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. the video doesn show it but after kicking the ball forward, he lost out in the foot race with the defender who knocked it out of bounds. i'm questioning the need for him to knock the ball forward like that hence why i said earlier "loose control".
i'm not questioning his use of skill. i've already praised it.
Having his best season when played up front yes, but he has no chance at all of starting there if Sturridge and Rooney are fit. When played out wide he's looked the same as he's always looked -- good in patches but lacking end product. Where as Sterling's been probably the best young player in the league in the wide role.
Ye true. However, as good as Sterling has been this season, (although Welbeck hasn't been far off, in my opinion, when played up top) he needs to show that he's able step up to international level. Welbeck has done that, and like I said, has been arguably one of England's brighter performers in the qualifiers, in my opinion.
I have know doubt Sterling will be great for England, though. He was very good against Denmark.
It was Rooney who made that pass after beating 3,4 players. Giggs played the passes for 1st and 2nd goal.
You speak as if Welbeck has a longrunning impressive resume as a senior.
Sterling will be ahead of Welbeck in the pecking order out wide for England. And Sturridge ahead of him up front.
I'd agree with the latter but I'd be surprised with the former. Welbeck has been brilliant there for England throughout qualifying while Sterling has played and not done much in about two games. If we treat international football like some sort of fantasy team from that Premier League season, ie purely on club form, then we haven't a hope in getting anywhere.
He was one of our better players in the CL game and able to get out of tight situations, bringing the ball forward etc. That's not much, but better than what his team mates did
He'll get most of the rest of the season in his favoured position now (in the league anyway), it'll be good to see if he can keep up his brilliant scoring rate for another six or seven games.
Sterling has been better than Welbeck; that's obvious. But I do wonder how Sterling would perform in England's set up. Quick passing and the likes of Suarez creating space for him to run into won't happen with England. Same goes for Henderson. I think a big part of how good a job Rodgers is doing is that he's making players who are far from being exceptional play to an exceptional standard. I don't see Hodgson being able to replicate the same effect and tbf it's harder to do on the NT level.
How is it obvious? Danny's playing in a (sadly) starkly inferior side and has fourth best goals-per-minute ratios and the best chance conversion stats in the league. How are people still not getting that while he's not played as much as he'd like, Welbeck is having a sodding exceptional season.
Welbeck has much greater experience on the European and International stages. An important consideration surely.
I'm not sure why you picked out one sentence when in the rest of my post I point out the importance of the system Sterling is playing in to his performances. I also question if he'd be better for England's set up than Welbeck (which I'm not sure he is).
Because you said something which is highly debatable is 'obvious', and I'd like you to explain how exactly that's the case.
I don't think Sterling has been significantly better. Welbeck's had a very good season.
Could play a very important part in the end of our season now that Van Persie's out. I'd actually be very interested in seeing how he performed up top with Mata at number 10, but that's one combination I doubt we'll see unless Rooney's injured/suspended. Still, very good chance for him to reaffirm that he's capable of being a regular in the starting line-up.
Rooney will surely be rested for the Villa and Newcastle games, whereas Mata will be playing every league game. It's perfectly possibly we'll get to see all the various combinations people have been wondering about before the season is over. Except those involving Kagawa, obviously.
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No he won't. Welbeck will play wide left against Italy. That's an absolutely certainty. One of Roy and Nev's first names on the team sheet, leave the bias behind and acknowledge reality.
He's been putting his pace, skill and strength to good use lately, a lot better then he was before. Before whenever he played on the wing he'd be pretty ineffective, have a few nice touches but ultimately do nothing with it. The last few times we've seen him however he's been getting past players, using his physique to get past them and actually looked to make chances, and had some good decision making. He just needs to keep doing that and be more productive because he certainly has the talent and physique to be a top player, its just the mindset that I wasn't sure of before. He has to try to be more decisive, make a difference, get himself into goal scoring positions and actually make them count which he wasn't doing for the first few months of the season.
Shouldn't start up front right now, Mata is simply a world class player so he needs to start behind Rooney of course, but Welbeck has a chance to make one of the wing positions his own and offer some pace. If we play Kagawa/Januzaj on the other side, we have a fluid system anyways with everyone moving around and comfortable in playing anywhere, and Welbeck or Nani would fit into that no problem.
Shouldn't start up front right now, Mata is simply a world class player so he needs to start behind Rooney of course, but Welbeck has a chance to make one of the wing positions his own and offer some pace. If we play Kagawa/Januzaj on the other side, we have a fluid system anyways with everyone moving around and comfortable in playing anywhere, and Welbeck or Nani would fit into that no problem.
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I would say that his performances on the wing depends from the instructions he gets from the manager. If he is placed there first because he is good defensively, than he usually ends up having poor game attacking wise, mostly because he looses strength and concentration higher up the pitch, because he spends lot of energy chasing opposition players. You could see it against Olympiakos, in the first half when our players were attacking oriented he was great, but after we scored three his only job was to defend, help Buttner, he barely passed the halfway line later, and he wasn't half as good as he was in the first half.
Needs to start up top in every game we play now until RVP is back.
No he doesn't. Mata/Rooney is a miles better combo than Rooney/Welbeck. Why on earth would we shunt our best number 10 and arguably best player out wide where he's at a fraction of his effectiveness to accommodate Danny Welbeck?
Based on what? The latter is an exceptional combination and the former has played together once.
Mata can play out wide and has done before. Rooney should play behind Welbeck, no doubt.
Based on the fact that Juan Mata is a world class player, one of the absolute best in the league and one of the best number 10's in world football and Rooney played his best game in a long time yesterday by playing up front.
Danny Welbeck is a long, long way from being a world class player. He's not even in the top ten strikers in the PL. Why on earth would we shunt Mata out wide for him?
I can't believe this is even a discussion.
Do you actually watch us play? Did you not notice the difference in Mata's performance and the entire teams performance when we played Mata as a number 10 and not out wide?
Me neither. Inexplicable.
There's absolutely no reason Mata can't excel alongside Rooney behind Welbeck, whereas Welbeck is wasted anywhere other up front. Both should be playing in a 4-2-3-1 along with a more traditional wide player on the other side.
Honestly, people seem to think Mata exclusively played off the striker for Chelsea, thats a nonsense. He played about half the time in each position, and excelled in both. It's not about where he's standing when the whistle blows, its about the football we play.
Honestly, people seem to think Mata exclusively played off the striker for Chelsea, thats a nonsense. He played about half the time in each position, and excelled in both. It's not about where he's standing when the whistle blows, its about the football we play.
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