That's wasn't what I meant.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
- Thread starter KM
- Start date
- Status
That's wasn't what I meant.
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014...n-persie-is-uniteds-worst-performing-striker/
Statsfest on all our strikers. Nothing in there about passing or work done without the ball. Danny still comes out of it well. Reflects his improvement this season.
Statsfest on all our strikers. Nothing in there about passing or work done without the ball. Danny still comes out of it well. Reflects his improvement this season.
@Pogue Mahone wasn't too long ago he had that run of 6 goals in 6 games. Seems like eons ago despite happening in the same season
Yeah, if RvP's still in a strop I'd like to see Danny start up top tomorrow. Done well in that position this season. Feck all to lose by seeing it he can get back to his early season form and a lot to gain.
Danny has everything about him to be a great striker, he is getting there this season and has played extremely well when played upfront (his position you say ? Fancy that)
He will though develop late, I likened his situation to Didier Drogba in conversation with a friend at the weekend. Clearly has all the technical tools but needs to be fully developed physically, he will then learn how to use his natural athleticism and frame to his advantage. It takes time with some strikers, he will be one of them
He will though develop late, I likened his situation to Didier Drogba in conversation with a friend at the weekend. Clearly has all the technical tools but needs to be fully developed physically, he will then learn how to use his natural athleticism and frame to his advantage. It takes time with some strikers, he will be one of them
Who we got? Manchester United Reserves?
West Brom. It's next Saturday, not tomorrow.
The fact that his only appearance since RVP have come back has been a poor sub appearance at Stoke has disguised the fact that prior to Robin's return he was having a great season. He'd scored a fifth of our goals and won us a fifth of our points. Even with his recent absence he's still been the best reserve striker in the league, even including his handful of appearances in that thankless defensive striker role.
Our standards for a 'great season' have dropped remarkably if Welbeck is being deemed to be having a great season.
Please do elaborate..
What else would you call scoring a goal every 142 minutes in a team which is as threatening as an inflatable kitten.
Van Persie had what you'd call a great season last year.
Welbeck has had one good patch of scoring.
I do think he's been harshly dropped by Moyes since then. RVP has scored a few since coming back but his general play has been poor and bordering on non existent. Welbeck was linking up the attack nicely before being dropped.
But then as Moyes has shown he isn't one to make the tough decisions.
Welbeck has had one good patch of scoring.
I do think he's been harshly dropped by Moyes since then. RVP has scored a few since coming back but his general play has been poor and bordering on non existent. Welbeck was linking up the attack nicely before being dropped.
But then as Moyes has shown he isn't one to make the tough decisions.
Welbeck's 'one good patch of scoring' represents pretty much his only run of games this season, certainly his only run up front. Prior to Villa he'd started just the seven games, mostly on the wing, and still already scored more goals than the whole of last year.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/39308/Show/Danny-Welbeck
For a young back-up I'd say that represents a great season up to January.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/39308/Show/Danny-Welbeck
For a young back-up I'd say that represents a great season up to January.
where did you get those stats? I don't think that's correct.
Van Persie had by HIS accounts a good season last year, I'd agree. Welbeck has had one patch of good scoring? So you rate them both by the same stick then? You expect the same from welbeck and RVP?..... As if not, your comparison is pointless.
I'd argue most people's general play has been poor again, but as for goal scoring, you'd have bitten someone's hand off last season if someone said he'd get 6 in 6 at the start of this season, for DW, up until that point, it was a very good start to the season for him.
I think you should have loaned him out either last season or this season again in a team where he would have been a ST starting every week. 4 strikers is probably the amount you'd realistically want because of injuries but you'd have Kagawa/Januzaj who could play behind the ST and from Jan you'd also be able to have added Mata to that equation. I really think if Welbeck was given consistent game time as a ST he'd be an excellent player and a 20 goal season striker.
Make my mind up about what? Those posts are complementary.
Transfermarkt. I made a list of the top 15 using their stats for every player in the top scorers list and posted it in another thread the other day. Here's the list:
1. Aguero: 79
2. Sturridge: 83
3. Suarez: 86
4. Van Persie: 119
5. Adebayor: 124
6. Welbeck: 142
7. Remy: 148
8. Bony: 153
9. Dzeko: 166
10. Negredo: 168
10. Toure: 168
11. Giroud: 179
12. Rooney: 185
13. Ramsey: 186
14. Hazard: 190
15. Lukaku: 195
Transfermarkt. I made a list of the top 15 using their stats for every player in the top scorers list and posted it in another thread the other day. Here's the list:
1. Aguero: 79
2. Sturridge: 83
3. Suarez: 86
4. Van Persie: 119
5. Adebayor: 124
6. Welbeck: 142
7. Remy: 148
8. Bony: 153
9. Dzeko: 166
10. Negredo: 168
10. Toure: 168
11. Giroud: 179
12. Rooney: 185
13. Ramsey: 186
14. Hazard: 190
15. Lukaku: 195
That's not true at all. He didn't have a great game when he started the 3-1 defeat against Chelsea, played his part in that horrific double-header against Sunderland in the Carling Cup, then had another very poor game against Stoke shortly after (replacing Jones at half time) which was the last game in which he featured.
This is all discussed on the last couple of pages of this thread, where he's getting dog's abuse. He certainly wasn't dropped when he was playing well.
I also think he's been injured for the last few weeks. The pre-Olympiakos talk was of him coming back into the squad after recovering from a knee injury.
Honestly, this place is nuts. Literally every single issues that gets discussed ends up being somehow used as a way to criticise the manager. Whether or not there's any basis in reality. It's demented. It's not like there aren't enough reasons to slag Moyes off, why make shit up!
Last edited:
Chabon's quote about being as threatening as a kitten was in reference to United as a team rather than Welbeck. He's praising him.
I'd have to agree. Danny's been made a scapegoat but when played up front he's been good.
I mis-read, my apologies, I thought you meant that Welbeck was the kitten, hence I was a bit :S Which way is he? Very interesting information by the way, does a lot to show people his potency, even in this current team..
My initial post was in support of DW, so you got a friend in me there! And RE Chabon, yes it seems I misread
Knee injury, yeah. I hope he gets at least a few oppurtunities from now to the end of the season. He should be able to get into double figures in the league which would be a real achievement. He didn't manage that the season he was first choice.
Nah, I'm a notorious Welbeck apologist. But then of course I bloody am, he's the only local lad to make it into the first team this century.
I'm actually really worried about his knees.
There was talk earlier in the season of persistent swelling every time he plays and he's had his cartilage trimmed a few times. There's only so much cartilage you can take out before you end up in Louis Saha, Ledley King territory.
I have been generally impressed when he has played up front this season.
He's a very good squad player. Maybe more one-day
I really don't rate him up front, don't think he has the ability to make that position his own for a club of this size. Personally, I think he's more suited to playing as a wide-forward than anything else. Makes more use of his work-rate, pace etc and he wouldn't have the same pressure to consistantly score goals that he would up front.
I admit to not knowing about his injury.
I didn't have the 'pleasure' of watching the Sunderland game.
In the Stoke game IIRC he came on in an unbalanced formation and weirdly played as a no.10.
He had done well as the main striker from about December up until the middle of Jan. I think he can consider himself a tad unlucky to be dropped/moved out of position based on this.
Btw this is coming from one of his fiercest critics on here, and I remain far from convinced about him long term.
Welbeck was playing well last season, scoring feck all
Welbeck is playing shite this season, scoring goals.
That's about it.
Welbeck is playing shite this season, scoring goals.
That's about it.
I read somewhere that he was injured recently, no way that he was dropped from bench toi anyway(Moyes said nothing about it though, but you hardly see him saying anything these days except licking Rooney's arse anyway).
Well thats a good thing because Welbeck's passing and work done off the ball is miles worse than last season and before. He averages 3.5 passes more than Van Persie even though he's played in deeper roles able to get on the ball more, the same amount of dribbles as RVP and less than Rooney. While Van Persie and Rooney have both created more chances too.
Its great he's had a few games where he's finished very well when he gets a chance. Not so good if the rest of his performance has gone out of the window.
His off the ball work has blatantly not disimproved. He's obviously making more of an effort to get on the end of things in the box. A flaw in his game in previous seasons. Hence he's more prolific.
Other than that, your stats tell us feck all. Anyway, why are you comparing him to Rooney and RvP this season when I was comparing his own efforts, this season and last?
Other than that, your stats tell us feck all. Anyway, why are you comparing him to Rooney and RvP this season when I was comparing his own efforts, this season and last?
Last edited:
Rooney and Welbeck > Rooney and Van Persie.
Am I the only one who has never seen Rooney strike up a good partnership with anyone?
With the exception of Saha, he couldn't get a decent partnership with RVN, Tevez, RVP, Berbatov...
Welbeck has been gotten the closest to striking up a good partnership with him
With the exception of Saha, he couldn't get a decent partnership with RVN, Tevez, RVP, Berbatov...
Welbeck has been gotten the closest to striking up a good partnership with him
He linked well with Ruud but generally agree.
Saha had no pace....Did he?
It's been awhile.....God I miss them! Ronaldo, Rooney, Saha, Ole and then Larsson
It's a good point.
He's never been in a partnership that brought the best from himself and his strike partner. He's either played really well on his own (09/10) or he's had to sacrifice himself into a 'work horse' type role to get the best from someone else (Ronaldo etc.).
I thought Saha had pace.
He had a great partnership with Hernandez, was good with Ruud, Tevez he was also generally pretty good with after a bit of a slow start together. He was just streaky then but the two of them linked up really well along with Ronaldo. Then he was good with Saha, and Welbeck that one year. If anything he's usually been really good with other players, exceptions being RVP (though I think they could still do well under a good manager) and Berba, but more because Berba didn't suit us at all.
Anyways, on Welbeck, if we're talking about partnerships, he'd be way down the pecking order currently to me. Nothing against him, but we have plenty of great partnerships that would be great for the team overall.
Either Rooney-RVP together, 1 of RVP/Rooney with Mata behind them, or one of RVP/Rooney with Kagawa behind them. So basically for Welbeck to get starts he needs both Rooney and RVP to be out injured, but that's only as a lone striker (which to be honest is how we should approach any game).
Did well with Hernandez in 10/11. He thrives of players who push the oppositions defence back, thus giving him space to attack.
- Status