Why does he always shit it when the ball comes to him in the box.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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I honestly can not understand what it is that Moyes see's in him when he's not leading the line. He offers so little as a second striker, he's far too casual on the ball, his movement towards the box/anticipation and determination to get on the end of things are clearly not there. I've said it before but the only reason it makes sense to play him there is when we're playing someone with a deep play maker like Alonso was. Other then that it just doesn't make sense. I mean today when he did come on we had 4 players on the pitch who could play as a number ten/am, him, RVP, Rooney and Mata and if you were gonna pick one of them to play there he'd be last imo.
Still very dickfooted at times and not always capable of reading or executing the final ball. Obviously, if he can somehow capitalise on all the opportunities he puts himself in, he would be among the best players In the world.
Lots of ifs though.
Lots of ifs though.
Come off it.
Lord have mercy
Watch you don't get caught with those class A's on you mate.
If he was a bit shorter, white, Argentinian and played for Barcelona he would be the best player in the world.
Reverted back to his typical wastefulness after a decent run of games. He was anonymous throughout and then blew 2 decent chances. I just don't see him ever becoming our 1st choice striker. It's like his brain stops working when he gets the ball anywhere near the goal. A United striker should have awareness and composure in the box. He plays like a defender who's been sent up top by a team chasing a game.
Definitely needs to spend a few hours in training practicing taking a first touch
Talented but blunt in the box, just never looks like scoring.
Those misses and miss controls are what separates him from Sturridge
I'm sure he is. Like Valencia spends extra time on his crosses.
The fact that he is not able to start runs into space before the pass is hit makes me so angry. That he did not start on the trough ball from Mata is so bad I still feel frustrated. He is just not clever enough to develope his game to ever be good enough as a starter. Think he has been good at times and should be a back up though.
Someone should teach him how to cross before he practices it.
Sell him. He's never going to make it here. Unless he's fine with being 4th option then he should stay.
This club is too big for wankers like him.
This club is too big for wankers like him.
Why is he a 'wanker'? He is a decent squad-player, to be fair but he was indeed atrocious today.
Stupid criticising Welbeck when he's done really well leading the line for us in recent weeks. That's clearly where he should play. He should have never been put on, especially at #10 imo when we had Mata, Rooney or even Januzaj/Kagawa who all play better there.
His performance today should be criticised, his first touch / control completely deserted him.
I agree with the general consensus of your post though. He is a good squad-player and he has actually done relatively well recently.
Today was really one of the worst sub appearances I've ever seen from a United player. He didn't do one thing right, and I don't remember him actually controlling the ball properly either. I love how in the Welbeck v Sturridge thread people say Welbeck is better all around, just lacks the finishing Sturridge does. That's a load of bollocks really, because Welbeck has looked awful and completely useless when playing anywhere that isn't as a #9. He's decent at a lot of things, but nothing really sticks out.
My biggest gripe with him would probably be how he has no idea how to use his body. He's a big, strong and fast guy, yet he gets out muscled all of the time, slips over whenever he shoots or gets in a goal scoring chance (or just has a terrible touch then) and then even when it comes to his pace, he seems to run with a hand brake on whenever it looks like there will be a chance.
My biggest gripe with him would probably be how he has no idea how to use his body. He's a big, strong and fast guy, yet he gets out muscled all of the time, slips over whenever he shoots or gets in a goal scoring chance (or just has a terrible touch then) and then even when it comes to his pace, he seems to run with a hand brake on whenever it looks like there will be a chance.
So overrated by so, so many on here it hurts. Doubt he'd get in to half of the sides in the league, I honestly think that.
He may improve in the future but nowhere near a United player at this moment...nowhere near.
He may improve in the future but nowhere near a United player at this moment...nowhere near.
That and goals.
And dribbling ability.
And vision.
And intelligence.
Talent really. Lots and lots of talent is the difference between Bambi and Sturridge.
He's never been good enough. Looks like a great lad but not a united squad player.
Fair enough but. I think the decision to play him there should be criticised more than what he did or didn't do. We have some world class/excellent #10s, and Welbeck isn't one of them.
Think Noodle said it in the other thread, we had three strong number 10's in the matchday squad in Rooney, Kagawa and Mata. Instead we decided to play Welbeck there who for all intents and purposes seems to have gone into his shell again.
Have never rated him.
Thanks for sharing.
Not good enough
Good enough as a 4th striker. Not good enough to be a starter, and certainly not the right player for Moyes to have brought on (I think Januzaj would've made more sense, especially since we had Mata to slip into the support striker position.)
I haven't seen today's game but I'm not buying this. We've watched this guy from 18 we know he has great control and is smart with his link up play. I just find it weird how over 80% of our players have all turned crap! Its something that is going on behind the scenes they are not playing with confidence and it shows.
I agree he usually has a good touch, and his link up play is probably his best asset. He's not very good when he plays somewhere other then the striker position. Today he got subbed on as a #10 with Mata on the right, Rooney as a deeper midfielder and RVP up front. It's not his fault, but he did really bad when he came on, and he just couldn't control anything. He played 45 minutes, but had only 13 touches the whole game, 6 passes and of those 6 passes, he had a 67% pass completion. Looking at the stats site he was dispossessed twice and had 2 turnovers (not sure if its counts as the same thing though) and didn't have any defensive contribution.. He's a good striker, but he doesn't have a great all round game in my opinion, contrary to popular belief. The things he's good at as a #9 seem to disappear completely when playing in a different position too for whatever reason.
He remains the anti-striker. Received a lot of flak for calling him that, but it's what he is. Has lots of attributes of a great footballer, but utterly lacks the striker's instinct. Which history suggests is not something that can really be taught.
He's been at United since he was a kid, but when a ball falls to him in the box he completely loses his composure. He's had over 10 years of the very highest level of coaching (til this season, ba-doom) and it doesn't appear to have worked.
He's had a few decent finishes this season, but he's also cost us points. His wide open header from 4 feet out against Everton could have great changed the narrative of our season.
He's a United lad, probably on reasonable wages and therefore is a great 4th choice striker. Happy enough with that. But the gap in quality between him and Van Persie is mind-blowing, and Manchester United should aspire to have RVP's level of striking force, not Danny's.
I mean look back over the last few years of striker evolution: Hughes, Cole, Yorke, Van Nistelrooy, Saha, Rooney - that's real pedigree.
He's been at United since he was a kid, but when a ball falls to him in the box he completely loses his composure. He's had over 10 years of the very highest level of coaching (til this season, ba-doom) and it doesn't appear to have worked.
He's had a few decent finishes this season, but he's also cost us points. His wide open header from 4 feet out against Everton could have great changed the narrative of our season.
He's a United lad, probably on reasonable wages and therefore is a great 4th choice striker. Happy enough with that. But the gap in quality between him and Van Persie is mind-blowing, and Manchester United should aspire to have RVP's level of striking force, not Danny's.
I mean look back over the last few years of striker evolution: Hughes, Cole, Yorke, Van Nistelrooy, Saha, Rooney - that's real pedigree.
It's only in the box as well. His touch outside the box is often sublime, and the way he controls it and out-muscles towering defenders at the same time. He's immense at that. But if the ball comes to him in the box:
Reminded me of Emule Heskey today... flabbergasted that we laughed at the scousers when they had him but have groups of people here who feel that our very own version of him has world class potential.
Heskey was about the same age as well when he became a pissbag and laffin stock.
Heskey was about the same age as well when he became a pissbag and laffin stock.
That's a tad harsh comparing him to Heskey?
Good enough as number 3 striker......that is it!!!!
I don't think he'll ever be good enough to be the main striker here, but he'll be important for us in the rough years to come...
so clumsy.
And yet, during that decent run of games he also missed chances a quality striker would have put away. People live the story of Welbeck but the player just isn't good enough.
I'm not sure about the dribbling and intelligence but the rest I definitely agree with.
I said 18 months ago he needed 2 seasons on loan playing as a striker to ever make it here.
I am still of that belief.
I am still of that belief.
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