Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Fergus' son said:
I said I think he could score 15-20 you child.

Looks on course for it too.
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You acted like a spoilt brat for no reason during that 'debate'. You were absolutely adamant that he would score 20+ and turned into a right little bitch about it.

Not sure he is on course for 20+, but I said double figures would do me just fine.
 
Robbie Boy said:
You acted like a spoilt brat for no reason during that 'debate'. You were absolutely adamant that he would score 20+ and turned into a right little bitch about it.

Not sure he is on course for 20+, but I said double figures would do me just fine.
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Oh shut up, I said he has shown that he can achieve close to 15 goals before so I think he can do again.

Stop with the constant insults, it's really immature.
 
Fergus' son said:
Oh shut up, I said he has shown that he can achieve close to 15 goals before so I think he can do again.

Stop with the constant insults, it's really immature.
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Constant insults? Think you're the one who started kicking off in the first place. Go back and read through your posts, you honestly threw a massive strop.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Constant insults? Think you're the one who started kicking off in the first place. Go back and read through your posts, you honestly threw a massive strop.
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I counted 'bitch', 'twat' and 'clown' in the last two post you either addressed to me or was talking about me.

Massive strop? I said I think he would score 15 because he has got close before and is obviously improving. He's on course for it.
 
Fergus' son said:
I counted 'bitch', 'twat' and 'clown' in the last two post you either addressed to me or was talking about me.

Massive strop? I said I think he would score 15 because he has got close before and is obviously improving. He's on course for it.
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Ok, if you believe that's all you said, then so be it.

In the real posts, you were extremely arrogant and very hard to converse with. Anyway, here's to Welbeck going through a good spell and long may it continue.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Ok, if you believe that's all you said, then so be it.

In the real posts, you were extremely arrogant and very hard to converse with. Anyway, here's to Welbeck going through a good spell and long may it continue.
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Much easier to converse with people who call others 'twats' 'clowns' and 'bitches', I suppose?

I used the fact that he has scored 12 for us before, as a reason to suggest that he can achieve 15 this season. Hardly baffling.
 
When he gets that consistency that every one is looking for, that sudden change of influence that can suddenly happen to players, that feeling that you get when Rooney or RVP are on the team sheet.....then it will be when he arrives and the confidence in him will be complete.

...until then...he certainly has stated his case on being on the right road recently...
 
So pleased for him. Funny what playing in your natural position can do to a players confidence. RVP's injury was a blessing in disguise. Obviously want RVP back asap but it's great to see Danny doing well, he deserves the turn around in fortune.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
So pleased for him. Funny what playing in your natural position can do to a players confidence. RVP's injury was a blessing in disguise. Obviously want RVP back asap but it's great to see Danny doing well, he deserves the turn around in fortune.
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Same. Awesome to see some real progress this season after his poor 2012/13. I've always been confident he'd turn it around but you do start to doubt yourself after numerous frustrating displays where he'd repeat the same mistakes.
 
I still find it hilarious that so many wanted to sell the lad. If you couldn't/can't see the talent the boy has then you might as well give up with football.
 
Welbeck adds more to the buildup play than van Persie, who can be a bit periphery at times if he's not scoring. Of course van Persie's finishing is a good 3 levels above Danny's.
 
Sam said:
I still find it hilarious that so many wanted to sell the lad. If you couldn't/can't see the talent the boy has then you might as well give up with football.
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I recall a very small amount of people wanted him gone / thought we should get rid. I don't remember this "so many" that a few seem keen to peddle.

Like I said a few days back. Often it's the minority that is heard because they shout the loudest. My recolection is that a handful thought he should be moved on whilst most wanted him to stay.
 
As a lot of people have stated down the years; with Welbeck, you can just see he's got it. That wow factor. It's just there.

People who've written him off haven't got a clue.
 
It was never wrong to say he was generally shit last season. This "I was right" attitude from people is embarrassing.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Should really have started.
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He started two days ago. And started the game before that. And the other game before that. He needed a rest.

Anyway, when he came on he was by far our best player. Not only the goal but his general play was great. Our best player in this month IMO.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
It was never wrong to say he was generally shit last season. This "I was right" attitude from people is embarrassing.
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Second sentence is right, first is well off. He was shit in the box, but he was just as excellent in the build-up last season as he has been this.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
It was never wrong to say he was generally shit last season. This "I was right" attitude from people is embarrassing.
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He's always had class, though. Even when not performing or being shite in the box he's always looked like he'd be a top player eventually.

If he'd have got a run as a striker last season you would probably see the same thing you're seeing now.
 
marjen said:
If he'd have got a run as a striker last season you would probably see the same thing you're seeing now.
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Possibly, but you can't erase how bad his finishing was last season (just as ISSY shouldn't ignore how good he was in his build-up play). His chances up front and in front of goal were limited, yes, but he scuffed up more than enough of them for it to be about more than just being played on the wing. He's scoring chances this season that he would have fluffed last year.
 
Brightonian said:
Possibly, but you can't erase how bad his finishing was last season (just as ISSY shouldn't ignore how good he was in his build-up play). His chances up front and in front of goal were limited, yes, but he scuffed up more than enough of them for it to be about more than just being played on the wing. He's scoring chances this season that he would have fluffed last year.
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Confidence issue.

When he's playing up front he gets into so many goalscoring positions that some are bound to go in for him despite not being a natural finisher.

That's what happened at Villa. Now he's looking confident in front of goal and his finishing improves as a result.

Welbeck, when playing as a striker, will get into four or five goalscoring positions a game due to his movement against most sides. One or two are bound to go in.
 
marjen said:
Confidence issue.

When he's playing up front he gets into so many goalscoring positions that some are bound to go in for him despite not being a natural finisher.

That's what happened at Villa. Now he's looking confident in front of goal and his finishing improves as a result.

Welbeck, when playing as a striker, will get into four or five goalscoring positions a game due to his movement against most sides. One or two are bound to go in.
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It's a valid point but it doesn't really change anything. Last season he was getting only a few games here and there and, whilst contributing massively in general play, he was messing up all his goalscoring chances. This season he's only getting a few chances here and there and he's burying them. The difference between the two seasons has more to do with him improving than him getting more 'proper chances'.

Talented finishers don't become so very ineffective in front of goal regardless of chances or confidence. Look at Hernandez - he could sit on the bench for two seasons straight and then come on to score a second-half hattrick if he was given the opportunities.
 
Brightonian said:
It's a valid point but it doesn't really change anything. Last season he was getting only a few chances here and there and, whilst contributing massively in general play, he was scuffing chances left right and centre. This season he's only getting a few chances here and there and he's burying them. The difference between the two seasons has more to do with him improving than him getting more 'proper chances'.

Talented finishers don't become so very ineffective in front of goal regardless of chances or confidence. Look at Hernandez - he could sit on the bench for two seasons straight and then come on to score a second-half hattrick if he was given the opportunities.
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He gets into goalscoring positions more often as a striker than as a winger. Not very debatable, is it?

Unsurprisingly, he's putting a few of them away.

Anyway, last season was an anomaly. He'd already provened that he could score goals as a striker for us and Sunderland. The question is really how many he can get, not if he can get them.
 
marjen said:
He gets into goalscoring positions more often as a striker than as a winger. Not very debatable, is it?
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Yes, but between his many games as a winger last season and the few he got as a striker, I'd say he probably wasn't getting that many fewer chances to score as he is this season. The difference is that he's burying them, and 'lack of confidence from lack of chances' is not a significant enough factor to explain the vast improvement.

If you genuinely think he hasn't tangibly improved his finishing this season from last, we'd best agree to disagree, because to me it's blindingly obvious.

marjen said:
Anyway, last season was an anomaly. He'd already provened that he could score goals as a striker for us and Sunderland. The question is really how many he can get, not if he can get them.
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This bit I agree with. For most of his career he's been a good goalscorer, and i've always been confident that he'd get it back sooner rather than later. It's not a natural weakness in his game, he just went through a bad patch last season.
 
Doing really well as a central striker. Worry about what happens to him when Van Persie is back though.
 
Brightonian said:
Yes, but between his many games as a winger last season and the few he got as a striker, I'd say he probably wasn't getting that many fewer chances to score as he is this season. The difference is that he's burying them, and 'lack of confidence from lack of chances' is not a significant enough factor to explain the vast improvement.

If you genuinely think he hasn't tangibly improved his finishing this season from last, we'd best agree to disagree, because to me it's blindingly obvious.



This bit I agree with. For most of his career he's been a good goalscorer, and i've always been confident that he'd get it back sooner rather than later. It's not a natural weakness in his game, he just went through a bad patch last season.
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I think it is a natural weakness in his game, I just think his overall game makes his poor finishing worthwhile - as long as he's not used as a winger.

He'll score goals as his movement and pace gives him a lot of chances anyway, and his finishing will improve over time. Remember Rooney's big improvement in this area?
 
marjen said:
I think it is a natural weakness in his game, I just think his overall game makes his poor finishing worthwhile - as long as he's not used as a winger.

He'll score goals as his movement and pace gives him a lot of chances anyway, and his finishing will improve over time. Remember Rooney's big improvement in this area?
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Rooney has always been a fairly good finisher, albeit not a natural one. He went from being a good to a clinical finisher.
 
Bape said:
Rooney has always been a fairly good finisher, albeit not a natural one. He went from being a good to a clinical finisher.
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He missed shitloads of sitters in his younger years. He's always been capable of the extraordinary but Welbeck's that too.
 
Bape said:
Rooney has always been a fairly good finisher, albeit not a natural one. He went from being a good to a clinical finisher.
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That's such a vacant term. How do you define natural finisher? Why isn't Rooney one? How come he's still a good finisher? Is one the subset of other?
 
Everest Red said:
That's such a vacant term. How do you define natural finisher? Why isn't Rooney one? How come he's still a good finisher? Is one the subset of other?
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I think some common sense should be used. He isn't a poacher, he has more to his game. His game isn't about goals.
 
Just now, he is one of our few players who is exciting to watch. I hope he manages to keep this run going with his run in the team.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
I think some common sense should be used. He isn't a poacher, he has more to his game. His game isn't about goals.
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I agree, but I think Rooney's finishing ability, as testified by the number of goals he scores, his chance conversion percentage, the variety of positions he has played in and scored, and some audacious goals he has scored signals he's a fine finisher. If we had a strong midfield, he could have been playing up front and we'd all be fawning about his natural finishing ability.
 
Everest Red said:
I agree, but I think Rooney's finishing ability, as testified by the number of goals he scores, his chance conversion percentage, the variety of positions he has played in and scored, and some audacious goals he has scored signals he's a fine finisher. If we had a strong midfield, he could have been playing up front and we'd all be fawning about his natural finishing ability.
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No doubt he is a fantastic finisher but in regards to the way the term is commonly used and referred as, I wouldn't call him a natural finisher. But in saying that, yes his goal scoring speaks for itself, so it's hard to argue that he isn't a natural finisher.
 
Over the last few games, Welbeck has made the team play far better as an attacking unit. His movement and use of the ball seems to increase our threat immensely.
 
Welbeck has done well

I'm just wondering how he will react with Rooney and RVP to be reunited soon.....

I could see Moyes using a bit more rotation between Rooney, RVP and Danny with Hernandez on the bench

I see no real point in playing Welbeck on the left
 
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