Perhaps he could move to midfield like Dembele. Would probably be instantly better than Cleverley and Fellaini.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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There is absolutely no way he is 100% fit. He got outpaced last night and that never happens with Welbeck.
Arrrgghh please stop these Welbeck to midfield posts. It's giving me e-aids.
Just watching him. He has 'it'. Sometimes it's hard to see, but it's there.
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He's another one paying the price for having no support behind him or out wide. We desperately need a midfield and wingers he can link up with effectively. He's excellent on the break and his one-two touch play is top class he just doesn't have the foundation to play it.
That was against Jagielka - he is deceptively quick. Probably the quickest CB in the league apart from Koscielny.
I just think Welbeck needs to build his match fitness. I have a feeling he will start tomorrow.
A bit disappointing to see our fans write him off when he's only a couple of games in after a long-ish injury layoff.
A bit disappointing to see our fans write him off when he's only a couple of games in after a long-ish injury layoff.
Always with the injury excuses. He never scores when he's fully fit!
But he plays well and contributes to the overall team performance. Welbeck and Cleverley seem to fashionably be everybody's source of frustration atm. We were hardly playing swashbuckling football when he was out injured.
A bit of blind faith on here for me.
If Welbeck has "it" (whatever that may be) - then when is he going to start showing it consistently? he isn't a kid anymore, he has experience and a fair few international caps.
Before I go on - you can't fault his work ethic or his attitude, before anyone accuses me of getting on his case, but for a club like United that simply isnt enough. As it stands we're desperate for a player other than Rooney or RVP to really take it on and inspire the team.
He has decent physical attributes and his pace is a plus, but he lacks the composure and touch to be a really top class player. Playing out wide he tries his hardest but he doesnt carry the threat that a top winger should. If United spend big in those areas I fail to see how he can command a regular place, because he doesnt offer enough of a goal scoring threat to get a regular place upfront either.
I appreciate that being a valuable player is not all about individual brilliance - but there are plenty of players with a good work rate and a decent amount of talent - but if we rely on players like that long term, in key areas then we'll struggle.
If Welbeck has "it" (whatever that may be) - then when is he going to start showing it consistently? he isn't a kid anymore, he has experience and a fair few international caps.
Before I go on - you can't fault his work ethic or his attitude, before anyone accuses me of getting on his case, but for a club like United that simply isnt enough. As it stands we're desperate for a player other than Rooney or RVP to really take it on and inspire the team.
He has decent physical attributes and his pace is a plus, but he lacks the composure and touch to be a really top class player. Playing out wide he tries his hardest but he doesnt carry the threat that a top winger should. If United spend big in those areas I fail to see how he can command a regular place, because he doesnt offer enough of a goal scoring threat to get a regular place upfront either.
I appreciate that being a valuable player is not all about individual brilliance - but there are plenty of players with a good work rate and a decent amount of talent - but if we rely on players like that long term, in key areas then we'll struggle.
That has some value - but it also allows players to hide and turn in average performance, while others excel. To
If RVP wasnt scoring he'd be slated. If Rooney wasnt producing he would (and does) get slated - seems some players are immune from criticism.
Cleverley and Welbeck are the fashionable targets because a lot of people dont consider them good enough. In comparison to players who've been regulars in their position even in the recent past, some might say that's fair enough. The fact that they're home grown players seems to count for a lot in fans eyes, and seems to make some blind to a particular players failings.
Your last point is bizzare - you seem to be saying that because we're not great when he's not playing, that excuses average performances when he does. He may be preferable to other players in that position but it doesnt mean fans donet want better.
Welbeck not good enough for the future. I've heard it all now.
Not if his development is going the way it is, no he won't be.
clearly he needs to produce more in the way of end product, even the staunchest welbeck defender (like me) can admit that. However questioning the boys talent is crazy you just have to watch him with the ball at his feet to see he oozes class. He's still learning his craft match-wise, and learning to play different roles and with different types of players. He can be guilty of overplaying at times and he needs to work on getting his shot off quicker but I've no doubts all those will fall into place and he'll be a top player for us. It may well take a couple more years but he'll only be 25 then, with plenty of football ahead of him. wonderkids like rooney, messi, ronaldo etc have skewed peoples expectations of young players I feel. Dannys making good progress imho
He was the dog's bollocks after Swansea, since then having troubles with injuries, selection and a dip in form partially caused by those factors. He's been playing well for England since he broke through, as well as being our key figure in big games pretty often. Both of these arguments show he can handle the big stage. It's obvious he's not fully fit right now and I'm 100% positive those discrediting him are looking mainly at his last two performances.
And has shown to be worth most of those international caps you speak of including during 2012/13, more then many others in fact.
When played consistently at Sunderland his ability was evident for all to see,the same was the case upon his return to United in the season which followed, yet the way people are carrying on you would think that there was no reason to believe he had anything to offer a club.
It may ultimately prove necessary for him to move clubs as Sturridge has done although it would be better for United if that was not the case.
Tell me why you think he is?
I'm struggling to see it, there must be something there as managers seem to gave faith in him.
Why is that such a bold statement?
He doesnt score enough goals and doesnt create enough chances for others. Fans like a player who runs about and gives it his all - doesnt mean he's good enough.
People seem convinced he's going to mature into a great player. In my opinion the things he lacks - touch and composure are not things you learn or miraculously develop, but they are what seperates decent players from the top 5%. Look at Januzaj - he comes on as a kid and he has those atribues in abundance - that's how you can tell he'll be such a good player.
Welbeck is 23, not 18 so I personally dont see him suddenly becoming a prolific goalscorer or dazzling winger.
If United want to keep pace with the best sides in Europe and the Premier League then they need to be targetting the best players around. In case you hadn't noticed, the best sides dont have workhorses playing out wide. As it stands he's getting his place because there is nobody better. That may change shortly if Moyes is backed in the transfter market.
I've seen him being the best player on the pitch in both legs against Madrid last season and there were some cracking names involved. I've seen him single-handedly destroying Liverpool at home while leading the line, just as well as Arsenal away two years ago. His link-up play is good, his physique is terrific and work-rate can't get any better. Intelligent lad who only needs to work on his decision-making and finishing although he's already improved on that.
He's done well for England - but International football is totally different. You're often playing bang average sides and the game is played in a different way. Fair play to him, but plenty of players have had decent international careers without ever reaching the very top.
He also did well at Sunderland. He looked like he had real potential to kick on and become a very good player. For me he hasnt done that - he still looks "raw" despite having had plenty of experience since. I'd love to see it happen, but if it was going to, I'd have expected it to have by now.
Its all about levels. As I said above, he'll probably always have a place at United, but the question is whether the club aspire to better than a converted forward crow-barred into the team.
The last league game where he played as any sort of striker he scored two, both great pieces of finishing. Did the same for England. That was at the beginning of the season when the consensus on here was polaristic to what we see now. Since then, as I said, it hasn't worked for him for different reasons not all of them being his fault.
Welbeck skill set is more suited as a forward. He's not suited to play on the wing and it pains me seeing him in that position. However, the biggest problem with him playing as a striker is his lack of goals. He lacks that composure in front of goals that all top strikers have
wy can't composure be learned? (for the want of a better sentance) I would suggest composure is absolutely something which improves with experience
and why can't a 23 year old suddenly become prolific? look at diego costa for a recent example hardly prolific up until last year when he exploded and hasnt stopped since. Diego Forlan scored just 17 goals in 3 seasons for us but he did alright when he left, funniliy enough that was around his 25th birthday.
and Dannys touch is excellent btw
and why can't a 23 year old suddenly become prolific? look at diego costa for a recent example hardly prolific up until last year when he exploded and hasnt stopped since. Diego Forlan scored just 17 goals in 3 seasons for us but he did alright when he left, funniliy enough that was around his 25th birthday.
and Dannys touch is excellent btw
Not all his fault, that's fair, it's also fair to say that he hasn't progressed at a level that would be considered acceptable. He is extremely frustrating, his decision making is amateurish and continently misses the easiest of chances, I would bet on the keeper if he was through one on one, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one.
As I said, he must have something that I'm not seeing as Fergie, Moyes and Hodgson all seem to have faith in him, I have no idea what though.
He needed to be played week in week out which happened when he came back from Sunderland and he was and instant hit, given his age. Then RvP came and he was never going to start up front.
That 'what' is being pretty good at every footballing aspect and some, with finishing and decision-making being not quite there yet. Generally being a good footballer already with bags of potential and room for improvement, that's what they saw/see.
Its largely irrelevant - because he wont get a regular place over Rooney or RVP in that position. Infact - even if you accept that he's a good striker, that makes it even more bizzare that he's shoehorned in out wide. His attribues - specifically his pace and work rate mean he'll always do ok, but he isnt the game changer that I'd like to see occupying that position, nor someone who can consistently beat his man and create chances for others.
He moved to a different league and a different country - where the likes of Freddie Kanoute were just as prolific. Some players fit into the PL and some don't, as with all leagues around the world. he found a league which suited his style of play and showed what a good player he evidently was.
And as for Diego Costa - even if he does prove he's more than a flash in the pan he's an exception. The best goalscorers do it consistently every year.
Young players have periods where they look like they've stalled or regressed, but knowing the talent is there with Welbeck (it is, in my opinion) should be enough to grant some patience, especially when he's had injuries and been played out of position in a struggling team. Similar questions have been asked of Daniel Sturridge for example and he has come through it. Danny needs to do the same but I hope and think that he will.
Of course it can be learned and there are exceptions to every rule. But there has to come a point where you accept that a rapid increase in development is unlikely.
It isn't just that he's unlucky or careless in front of goal as may be said about other players. If he was then there could be something to work on but he struggles with so much more than that. If he wasn't home-grown the idea of giving him more opportunities wouldn't be on the cards. If he was playing excellently but failing to score then he'd be an asset but I think there's something of the Emperor's new clothes about him when people fail to admit large parts of his game are simply average. Up front he's poor, out wide he's often insignificant, he struggles with control of the ball, his distribution isn't great as he wants too much time on it than he has.
The only thing going for him is where he comes from but surely that particular brand of nepotism has a shelf life. Look at players like Hazard and Oscar and others who are younger than him. 23 is still young but by that stage you'd expect at least the basics to be covered and I don't think Welbeck has. He isn't a player who I can see kicking on because he still has a lot of work to do. His composure may improve but how old will he be then? 25? 26?
While there are examples of players being late bloomers you don't really want to rely on the exception happening. I think he's so far away from the player that we need we can't really stick with him on the off-chance he becomes it. The risk is too great and examples of it happening too rare for the gamble to be wise.
yeah, I consider almost all of what you said there to be nonsense so its probably best we agree to disagree re: Mr Welbeck
That can change soon. Danny is United through and through and I'd wager he will gladly accept to wait a couple of years more. Improve his decision-making and he could become a very good supporting/withdrawn striker.
I hope those who've been criticising him for the last two years can offer some praise today.
Bet Lynk has such mixed emotions right now.
Fair play to him for today. Let's see if he maintains a place in the team and some goalscoring form though before we start riding him too hard.
Both of those goals could have been Adnans to be fair 
What? I'm not the only one who's been complaining about him. The only reason I'm constantly used is because of that fecking tagline.
He has desperately needed a goal and really needs to add some consistency to his game in terms of scoring. Happy for him, two goals (maybe more), will do him the world of good.
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