Why are people still so sure he is an out and out striker?
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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Why are people still so sure he is an out and out striker?
I don't think it's an outrageous suggestion. He is clearly better suited to a midfield role of some kind than most other striker prospects who happen to be at a big club. However, if what you say is true - that the ONLY thing he lacks is being a goal threat then it could be an enormous waste to convert him at this stage. He has shown that he's capable of brilliant finishes, both with his feet and his head - he just hasn't shown enough of it and per now he looks very nervous and clumsy in the box. He gets himself into good positions more than most, creates chances for himself all the time with his movement, etc. So, he moves very well, finds himself in dangerous areas regularly AND he has proven that he can indeed pull off a brilliant finish on his day. And he's still a work in progress. In short, I'd rather be a little more patient and wait for the whole package to come together.
Genuine question. His talents aren't suited to being a number 9. And with Van Persie there he isn't going to "get a run". If Hernandez is struggling for minutes there, Welbeck doesn't have a chance, honestly.
Age is on his side. Development is on his side. It's part of the whole philosophy of the club to develop players. Playing out of position in various roles right now is guaranteeing him at least some game time to work on his flaws. Obviously there are some issues with playing from outside of the box to in, there is a genuinely high level of technical ability in terms of control and touch and a maturity and smarts to his game that will hold him in great stead for the future.
It's safe to say in a few years when Van Persie starts to phase out of the side Welbeck will get more minutes up front leading the line where he belongs. He'll only be 26-27 as well which will be a bonus.
That might change soon enough. Who knows where Rooney will be next season - or Hernandez for that matter. I'm not advocating letting either go, of course, but Welbeck is young enough to bide his time. RVP is no spring chicken either. He might decline slowly or rapidly - lots of factors here.
0-World Beater in 3 years.
This place.
Where did I say I expect him to be a world beater? The problem is he has hardly progressed at all. Since he broke through and started playing semi-regularily for the first team he has always been regarded as a decent / good link up player, but lacking in the decision making department and with bad composure. People have been saying since that time that the composure will come with time. Of course we could have a Ramsey-scenario with Welbeck where he suddenly realises how to score instead of fluffing it 50 yards wide from the penalty spot, but as of now there is no indication that Welbeck is improving in any of his outlined problem areas.
He played 40 + matches last season.How is that not a "genuine run"? No he didnt play up front but he seldom will for us, as we have Rooney and RVP and Hernandez as backup who by merit deserves to get chances up front ahead of Welbeck every single time that rare opportunity arises.
I didn't even have to answer that, brilliant.
Saying it for a whole year? feck of a long time to wait for someone to develop, I mean he's even got a good run of matches out of position to prove his worth and all that.
feck it. Sell him, get someone else. It's what we do here at Manchester United.
You are such a terrible poster. How you havent been banned is beyond me. You never bother to argue about anything, just write shitty little snide remarks all day long.
Edit: He edited the post above, at first it was only a pointless throwaway comment.
Edit: He edited the post above, at first it was only a pointless throwaway comment.
Do you think Welbeck deserves the few and far between chances up front ahead of Hernandez, based on goal scoring prowess and forward ability?
Just because Welbeck has played large parts of his games on the wing doesnt mean he hasnt gotten into goal scoring positions in those matches. He has constantly gotten in goal scoring positions or important positions like the one where he didnt manage a simple pass to Rooney for a 1v1 with the keeper. And he keeps failing to improve or even show signs of improvement in front of goal.
Welbeck had our worst shot to goals ratio last season. Why do people think that he will suddenly become a good striker just because he came through the ranks as one?
Just because Welbeck has played large parts of his games on the wing doesnt mean he hasnt gotten into goal scoring positions in those matches. He has constantly gotten in goal scoring positions or important positions like the one where he didnt manage a simple pass to Rooney for a 1v1 with the keeper. And he keeps failing to improve or even show signs of improvement in front of goal.
Welbeck had our worst shot to goals ratio last season. Why do people think that he will suddenly become a good striker just because he came through the ranks as one?
Spot on.
What a tit.
As I said above. He's probably third choice to lead the line behind Van Persie and Rooney. Himself and Chicharito is a bit of a tossup as to whatever you want to play on the day depending on the opposition and what you need. Perfect 'ingredient' strikers the both of them.
His hold up play is what sets him apart from Hernandez and they are both completely opposite in terms of skillset and ability. Danny is a strong hold up player with intelligent link play when he plays on the line. Hernandez is a razor sharp poacher which is supplemented by his inconsistent link up play (not non existent it's definitely improved). This also ties in with my point that any time played out of position is both positive as a footballer and important when it comes to building and maintaining skill-set. He tracks and defends smartly and his movement when driving into the box has been inconsistent. There is no denying that he has found it hard when spending long periods of time out of position but it will make him a better player in the long term spending time outside his comfort zone.
This truly is mind boggling. A player playing for 10 years will suddenly just forget how to play as a striker after a season of playing in different positions? There really are no words.
Yes his goals ratio is shit and yes he has a problem in front of goal for United but there is only one natural position where he's going to really improve on that with 100% focus. You don't bang goals in for England regularly enough to turn around and not be a good enough striker. It just simply doesn't work like that.
There's a mighty leap from breakthrough player to world class in 3 years. Don't fancy much would expect that. Just to progress to being a very good player. Right now he's still at the same level.
Hence the whole 0 to World class in 3 years gag. If anything he has regressed. But for England he has progressed. Making it not half obvious to see why.
How he gets in before Hernandez, I'll never understand. A striker's principal job is to score goals; Welbeck has scored approximately 5 of them in the last year or so. Give Hernandez a consistent run of games, and I'll score more than that in a month.
If he had actually been ahead of Hernandez in the pecking order as a No 9 striker you would have a point. But he obviously isn't.
Welbeck hasn't started up front in ages. He get's into the side because he can 'do a job' on the left or the right or wherever else. Something Hernandez just doesn't offer at all.
It's much easier for some to come up with lazy generic posts like 'Welbeck shouldn't start before Hernandez' without any tactical context, then post onto to the Van Persie or Hernandez thread and state with any degree of conviction that Hernandez should get more starts before Van Persie.
In this season, I would say he has. I can't be arsed to explain why because you make no effort to give any answer back, but this season he has had some prime chances to shoot.
No worries, I had no expectations for you to do so.
I'd rather Rooney 'do that job' and Hernandez up front with RVP. We have a number of players, imho, who offer more than Welbeck - Hernandez on the goal front, Kagawa on the playmaking front (even from the wing.) Welbeck may offer more defensively, but he's in the squad for what he should be offering offensively.
Rooney might want to ask to leave again though. Plus he does not have the pace or trickery to operate from the left. The team at the moment appears to lacks balance at the moment with both Van Persie and Rooney starting. It would be worse if Hernandez and Van Persie started. There is a reason no top side play 2 out and out strikers in a 442.
Honestly, if Rooney starts that again, then I think we're better off without him. No player bigger than the club, etc.... I do agree with you about Rooney and RVP looking out of sorts.
Because he offers more to all round play.
Proof it any was needed that a strikers principal job isn't just to score goals, not any more anyway.
None of that is in anyway a criticism of Hernandez btw.
Sure, you'd rather, they'd rather, he'd rather, she'd rather. But there is only one manager. Hernandez up front with RVP?.......... Okay.
His finishing is embarrassing
The team is embarrassing, frankly.
And I'm sick of Hernandez being the fall guy - brought off for a 40 year old?
A few inches lower and people here would be creaming themselves. It wasn't a terrible effort. A decent strike, just too high.
Is it wrong that when he was about to take the chance that I didn't even get my hopes high ?
As soon as he came on I new he'd miss a sitter and we would pay for it. Shouldn't be playing for us, move him on.
Hasn't he just got back in the team? Straight to the Welbeck thread to have a moan? So annoying, typical caf reaction...
One more goal and we'd have 3 points.
Welbeck's a a fecking shite striker.
Is something funny?
It wasn't an "embarrassing" effort on goal. He should have hit the target, but it was generally a decent strike. He didn't hit the corner flag.
A bit of an overreaction. It was a decent chance but not a sitter, and although he missed it was a fairly decent effort.
Rooney's opportunity at the end was much better.
Rooney's opportunity at the end was much better.
I'm wondering... Can he even finish his dinner. The fact i wasnt surprised with the shot says it all.
Ignore him. Welbeck's got some excellent attributes - blaming him for a draw tells you everything you need to know.
Does this wayyy to often. It's funny how shite his finishing is and has become progressively worse
I love Danny dearly, I really do. I see a real talent there.
But in front of goal, he's starting to remind me of Diego Forlan - the Forlan who played for us, not the one who played for Atletico and Uruguay. It's frustrating, so close and yet so far away.
I'm still convinced it'll happen though.
But in front of goal, he's starting to remind me of Diego Forlan - the Forlan who played for us, not the one who played for Atletico and Uruguay. It's frustrating, so close and yet so far away.
I'm still convinced it'll happen though.
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