When he's running through you never feel he's going to do anything. He has no killer instinct and desire to score goals.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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When he's running through you never feel he's going to do anything. He has no killer instinct and desire to score goals.
Yep. I didn't even groan when he didn't take on the volley at the end, pretty much what I have come to expect from him now.
Because Wellbeck plays for England...
He does indeed.
I just don't rate him as an attacking player. With RvP, Roo, Hernandez, Nani and Januzaj you always feel they could get a goal when you see them in the team. I just don't ever get that feeling with Welbeck and it comes as more of a surprise when he scores nowadays than expecting him to score. I shouldn't feel like that about a player.
When he gets anywhere near goal, I always expect him to fall down or miss...and he never fails to fulfill my expectation.
I would rather we play Hernandez every time.
oh...I am an England supporter btw.
I would rather we play Hernandez every time.
oh...I am an England supporter btw.
Well he went wide. Thats why it was him and not Hernandez. I remember we tried Hernandez on the right in his first season... Yeah. So thats why Welbeck came on
There was no need for a sub. Giggs should have come on for Fellaini and Nani really should have stayed on the field. When Nani gets the ball it's often a cross, finish or a pass, with Welbeck it's often loss of possession. We are in lack of a central midfielder as much as this summer and we can't depond on a player that has no end product to come in and do much of a difference. The substitution was a negative one and it should never be like that at home to a team like that. Nani is more of a defensive solution, because he can keep possession and he can even keep us a threat. When will people learn that defending is also attacking and keeping possession...
I'd rather give Zaha a try than him. He just consistently produces nothing.
Anyone else think we should do an Alan Smith with him and attempt to turn him into a midfielder?
His best quality is his defending, and with his pace and stamina he'd be able to add a pressing element to our midfield that we won't get from Carrick, Fellaini and Anderson. He's good on the ball and while he's certainly not Scholes or Carrick when it comes to passing, he has the ability to be like Cleverley where he makes simple passes and makes himself available. His positional sense would initially be suspect, but that would come with experience.
I think it's worth a try considering our difficulties getting good midfielders and our surplus of better options in the roles that are considered his best position.
His best quality is his defending, and with his pace and stamina he'd be able to add a pressing element to our midfield that we won't get from Carrick, Fellaini and Anderson. He's good on the ball and while he's certainly not Scholes or Carrick when it comes to passing, he has the ability to be like Cleverley where he makes simple passes and makes himself available. His positional sense would initially be suspect, but that would come with experience.
I think it's worth a try considering our difficulties getting good midfielders and our surplus of better options in the roles that are considered his best position.
Welbeck may have potential but so far he's been a player who is frequently average, occasionally brilliant. Remains to be seen whether the brilliant part will come to the fore. He deserves to play, but not constantly and at the expense of other players who also need game time. God forbid a situation like the one some years ago when the only fit striker we had was OGS, because if it happened again, we wouldn't have a match-fit striker.
He was dreadful when he came on yesterday but he's no wide man. Moyes seems keen to give him game time but he should have taken off one of the front two in order to do this.
We should have had a second goal through Danny yesterday when he was in behind. Granted, it was his pace that got him there but having got there he should have made it count for either himself or Rooney who was free.
We should have had a second goal through Danny yesterday when he was in behind. Granted, it was his pace that got him there but having got there he should have made it count for either himself or Rooney who was free.
Accidently turned into a baby girraffe sadly!
Are people still not giving Schneiderlin credit for that tackle yesterday? It was a good, solid challenge.
He was awful when he came on yesterday, he was off the pace and lost concentration in defence- which is unlike him, but bad games happen.
I'd be more worried about the form of Rooney and RvP though, we are lacking a bit of pace and athleticism up front by playing both of them and they are supposed to make up for it with their genius.. but it's not happening consistently at the moment. With the midfield in the state that it is, they need to up their game or we need to play strikers who can get away from defenders to receive the ball..
He was awful when he came on yesterday, he was off the pace and lost concentration in defence- which is unlike him, but bad games happen.
I'd be more worried about the form of Rooney and RvP though, we are lacking a bit of pace and athleticism up front by playing both of them and they are supposed to make up for it with their genius.. but it's not happening consistently at the moment. With the midfield in the state that it is, they need to up their game or we need to play strikers who can get away from defenders to receive the ball..
We don't need to be throwing players under the bus for having a poor touch though. It's what's happening at the moment, even when we can give some type of credit to the opposition, we have to find some fault from our part.
I'm by no means throwing him under a bus - I'm a big fan of Welbeck. I'm just pointing out that he probably should have done better in that situation and that he didn't have the greatest time of it yesterday.
Should have passed infield before getting tackled by Schneiderlin. -_-
He should be a backup for the LW position.
He should be a backup for the LW position.
he needs to grow a pair. falling down...missing chances..
you just need to be focused and ruthless.
you just need to be focused and ruthless.
It's easy to draw parallels with Ramsey few months back and Welbeck right now.
It's not that hard to develop composure. Far harder thing is to have an all round game like that.
It's not that hard to develop composure. Far harder thing is to have an all round game like that.
He's one of the best forwards outside the box I've seen. He can pretty much do everything, chase back and defend and then contribute well in the link up play, but when he gets in the box he is basically a well known deer on frozen water.
True. Maybe some barbiturates before the match or something?
Welbeck has these moments of indecision & clumsiness in every game. I just call them classic Welbeck.
He should have passed to Rooney and we'd have won the game.
He should have passed to Rooney and we'd have won the game.
Its not entirely fair to blame him for the result, but his fecking up an attacking position is entirely expected and nothing new. He takes forever to make up his mind and always seems to take an extra touch or two to waste an opportunity.
Thats laughable. Hes decent outside the box, thats it. And inside of it hes one of the worst. His lack of progression the last 2-3 years is sad.
Best forward outside the box you seen? Really? How many have you seen exactly?
He offers nothing creativity wise. Didn't know running around a lot makes you great. Danny needs to start delivering.
He offers nothing creativity wise. Didn't know running around a lot makes you great. Danny needs to start delivering.
a forward is only as good as goals he scores and chances he creates for others. In both areas Wellbeck has been sadly lacking.
... because he's rarely played as a forward stick him out on the wing and you'll reap what you sow.
Dunno why he's being blamed here, the chance where he allowed Schneiderlin to catch him was annoying but that's about it
He's the best defensive striker in the league.
Seriously though, he is a very talented and nice lad. Maybe the problem is that he's too nice. He lacks enough confidence, aggression and arrogance.
Seriously though, he is a very talented and nice lad. Maybe the problem is that he's too nice. He lacks enough confidence, aggression and arrogance.
People are pointing out his "mistake" last game because it's not the first time this has happened. We have seen it before: his composure in the box is frightening. He manages to score for England but when it comes to being under some pressure or in a one on one situation for us, his legs almost turn to jelly and loses all attacking sense. He should be ruthless and take a shot as soon as that goal is in sight in the box, just smash it. He actually gets in better shooting positions than all of our other strikers yet misses the opportunity more often than not.
Perhaps but his attacking instincts aren't being honed because he tends to get picked for the defensive job he can do, siting on Xabi Alonso, running the channels etc
Pick him and play him on his attacking strengths and I think you see a different player
I've thought for some time that his best traits lie outwith being a centre forward, and considering how poor his crossing, finishing and composure in the penalty area are, I don't think that can be argued. But when it is suggested that his traits would possibly suit a deeper role, you just get the green laughing smiley as a response, as if you've just suggested we play David Moyes in goal.
Considering how good Welbeck is off the ball - defending, pressing, work rate, physicality, and his short passing when he drops deep is very good as he seems to thrive playing football in tight spaces - I don't know why it is laughable to suggest that he could thrive in a deeper position, yet it is much less laughable to suggest that we simply persist with him as a forward, despite his finishing being just awful. If anything, it is vice versa.
I don't think that moving a player into a position which is more fitting of his traits and utilising him for what he is actually good at is so outrageous. He's a striker who doesn't score many goals. He's simply not a goal threat. You wouldn't play a goalkeeper who can't catch, so why play a striker who can't finish? But despite that, he's a very good footballer and is very good at alot of things. Just not putting the ball in the net.
0-World Beater in 3 years.
This place.
Where in that has he said he wants Welbeck to be world class now?
Talk about overegging the pudding. You have just made that bit in bold up.
The whole 'lack of progression in 3 years'? The crux of his post really. Considering Welbeck's break through season and Sunderland season were only 3 years prior. He's still developing and this is good for him. When he gets a genuine run up front then we can start getting out the torches and pitchforks if he's not performing adequetely.
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