Course he does. He takes people on all the time, he holds onto the ball under loads of pressure, he tries to slide people in with little through-balls, he does that thing every now and then where he tries to kick and rush right through the centre of the opposition's defence out of nowhere. He's got bags of confidence, it just deserts him when it comes to producing that shot or final ball in the box.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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Course he does. He takes people on all the time, he holds onto the ball under loads of pressure, he tries to slide people in with little through-balls, he does that thing every now and then where he tries to kick and rush right through the centre of the opposition's defence out of nowhere. He's got bags of confidence, it just deserts him when it comes to producing that shot or final ball in the box.
How did Danny play tonight? In work so missed the game.Any thoughts?
Same story. Fantastic overall contribution in terms of his link-up play, his ability to hold up and keep the ball under loads of pressure and his hard work both in attack off the ball and defensively. All this while being fouled all over the park.
But he could still do with being more willing to shoot. He looked for a pass or a dribble a couple of times when he could have just smashed it at goal.
That said, he was one of a number of England players who were unlucky to have several shots well blocked or saved. If the Poland defenders had been less good at the last ditch stuff today, (or if the ref had been less lenient about the repeated fouls in their box) he could easily have scored a couple and I wouldn't be bothering to mention this shooting stuff at all.
But he could still do with being more willing to shoot. He looked for a pass or a dribble a couple of times when he could have just smashed it at goal.
That said, he was one of a number of England players who were unlucky to have several shots well blocked or saved. If the Poland defenders had been less good at the last ditch stuff today, (or if the ref had been less lenient about the repeated fouls in their box) he could easily have scored a couple and I wouldn't be bothering to mention this shooting stuff at all.
Did OK offensively, missed a few chances (one of which was a sitter)- once again he was very strong defensively. Slowed down the Polish attacks down the right really well by blocking the simple pass off and forced a few turnovers through it.
I think we'd all agree that Danny needs to add some aggression to his play.His selection sometimes lets him down.He sees an opportunity to shoot but delays long enough for the chance to pass and sometimes spots a pass when the chance to have shot was on and it's too late.I think his first touch could be better and it's only small margins we're talking about with Danny and once that improves I think he'll nail that side of his game before long.I really hope and believe he'll tidy his all round game up and be more lethal in front of goal.He has the ability and becoming an England regular will help his continued development.Pleased for him.
Agreed on all counts. Some aspects of his game are already world class - his dribbling, his hold-up play, his defensive contribution for such an attacking player - and that's why he tends to shine in big games against big teams (both Madrid games, for example). If he can add the aggression and the goalscoring as you say, he could easily be a proper world-class player.
World class huh. Wouldnt describe any of his skills as that. As for tonight, worked hard, was involved in making openings for shots and just let himself down with his touch and finish at times. He's an all rounder.
He was England's best player tonight. Did more good defensive work than any of the defenders, won the ball back more than any of the midfielders and the Polish defence couldn't handle him. Just needs to start shooting more and stop spooning open goals.
Gerrard was the only player who you could make a real case ahead of him for...except he managed to create two of Poland's best chances for them.
Gerrard was the only player who you could make a real case ahead of him for...except he managed to create two of Poland's best chances for them.
That's an insane opinion noodle. Only someone with an incredible hard on for Danny Welbeck could possibly think that.
And for Gerrard! Welbeck was good, but Rooney, Townsend, Carrick and Baines were all better. And Gerrard, whilst much better than he was against Montenegro (and a nice finish for his goal) was well down the list (bearing in mind that almost everyone was at least decent today).
I thought Danny was rubbish in the first half personally. The desire to over-egg his other contributions when he has one of his bambi on ice days in front of goal is amusing on here sometimes. He had a good Valencia game at best. An enthusiastic and valued defensive shift, but a frustrating and at times downright obstructive one going forward.
Of United's performers, I thought Smalling was the best after Rooney, who was imperious.
Of United's performers, I thought Smalling was the best after Rooney, who was imperious.
He's not really. He's a 'can bat 5 and will be solid without scoring a shit tonne of runs, also keeps it tight with the ball if needed'.
I agree with Mockney, it was a good Valencia-esque performance, he worked his high-top fade off.
I thought Townsend was most impressive but agree with your thoughts on Welbeck, such a frustrating player because up till the final third he's frighteningly good. How can a guy who is so good at chips be so shit at being composed in the box? sort it out Danny lad.
Looked lost with the pace of the game in the first half. All our attacking seemed to confuse him a bit. Second half under pressure he was better, got more joy and time on the ball running the channels and taking some pressure off. Missed a sitter and fecked up a very good chance from the Rooney pass.
Plays better against better teams in tougher games. Certainly didn't do anything to warrant being called the best player on the pitch
Plays better against better teams in tougher games. Certainly didn't do anything to warrant being called the best player on the pitch
Yeah he is massively overrated by 'some' on here at the moment and it is getting tedious. Even constructive criticisim gets met with massive hissy fits from some of his fanbois.
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You like an ouel green smiley you utter bell-end.
His finishing is just...... wow. Perhaps he should see a sports psychologist or a hypnotherapist. No striker is this bad in front of goal. Still only 22 so plenty of time for him to change it around.
He really, really wasn't.
In no particular order Rooney, Baines and Townsend were all better than Welbeck. I'd argue for a few more too but those 3 were comfortably better.
I don't think Danny was crap at all last night - he was crap in front of goal, but then so was Sturridge (who was actually playing as a striker) - and for some reason, the later seems to be getting a fairly easy ride in comparison to Welbeck this morning.
As well as his defensive work, Welbeck's running off the ball and ability to get into threatening positions was generally very good (it can't be a fluke that he constantly seems to find himself in these dangerous positions in tons of space... though it's generally tons of space that tends to scare the feck out of him it seems) -and his link-up play for England never fails to impress me. He seems to always have a good understanding with whoever is playing left-back/up-front.
As well as his defensive work, Welbeck's running off the ball and ability to get into threatening positions was generally very good (it can't be a fluke that he constantly seems to find himself in these dangerous positions in tons of space... though it's generally tons of space that tends to scare the feck out of him it seems) -and his link-up play for England never fails to impress me. He seems to always have a good understanding with whoever is playing left-back/up-front.
A poster said some of his attritibutes are already 'world class'.
Firsly, that's a daft thing to say because it doesn't even make sense.
Secondly, that's still not saying someone is world class.
Townsend who was a liability defensively, who kept wandering into the middle of the pitch and just milling about there when England were in possession, and then refusing to go back to his position even after Gerrard started shouting at him and pointing to where he should be stood, and who was then subbed off late in the game for becoming more of a danger to his own team than the opposition? Yeah he was fantastic.
Baines was ok. He was playing against nothing all night so it would have been worrying if he hadn't looked ok. Rooney played well but was hardly spectacular. Neither of those two played nearly as well as Gerrard, Welbeck or even Sturridge. Townsend did some really good things going forwards but spent much of the game being a self indulgent tit and left the right flank exposed on at least two occasions which nearly cost England a goal.
Why do people turn into such frothing idiots when it comes to England games? The worst players nearly always end up getting the credit for good performances and then end up keeping their place in the team years after they should have been dropped.
So, 'has anyone actually said he's world class'?
Sure thing Noodle.
I never said they did.
Yep, totally agree. No one said he is 'world class', that I know of anyway. Just things being taken out of context as-per-usual.
I can't believe nobody talks about the number of times he wins the ball - it's phenomenal for a forward and a massive attribute as he's moslty doing it in the opposition half too.
Half the time it's hard to work out how he does it, and whether it was on pupose, as it generally involves a blur of bambi-limbs all over the place, but he does it far too often for it to be luck.
Half the time it's hard to work out how he does it, and whether it was on pupose, as it generally involves a blur of bambi-limbs all over the place, but he does it far too often for it to be luck.
Ironic pair of opinions, seeing as Smalling was completely at-sea for the first 20 minutes or so before he settled down into what was an excellent performance.
People talk about his defensive contribution all the time. Not sure where you're looking.
Strange things to say. It's one of the things that gets commented on most about his game.
I take his "defensive contribution" to more mean tracking back, breaking up atatcks, doubling up with full-backs etc. I'm more thinking of the times he creates attacking situations by winning the ball high up the pitch. If that makes any sense!
I only saw the bits of the match when the Ireland game was HT or FT, so I may be wrong, but he looked quite effective to me, albeit without an enormous attacking threat. I think he'll be a fantastic player but if I had a criticism it's the number of times he gets into a good position, or gets a good chance and whether through being casual or a bit of indecision, let's the chance just sort of peter out. He's really quick, but he often allows himself to get closed down when he's released. A couple more years and I'm sure that'll be a thing of the past, though.
So? Doesn't mean we think he's world class.
I think a lot of Danny's attributes are in the 'very good' section, and as we all keep saying, if he can become more aggressive/clinical/composed in the final third, we'll have a top quality player. But the fact he's managing to do so well for both England and United in other areas shows what a talent he currently is.
Yep, sure thing.
Welbeck was probably England's most important player defensively and in the second half won the ball back and kept it in Poland's half better than anyother player, but you probably didn't notice that because he had a shot that went wide, or something.
Gerrard could score a hatrick, save a penalty by outrunning the shot, and retain 99% of possession by repeatedly passing the ball to himself and people on here would still say he was a bit shite. That was the first time in years England actually had a decent looking midfield...it turns out Gerrard might actually be quite good when he's not having to do Lampard's jon as well as his own.
Townsend played like a clown. He showed promise of being a good player when he was actually on the wing, but against any decent side he'd have been enough on his own to cost England any chance of winning (or more likely he'd have been removed from the game a lot sooner). If Poland were less wasteful it could easily have happened last night...for which no doubt Cahill or Smalling would have illogically been blamed.
Eh? I know that no-one said he was 'world class', I was responding to another poster who I presumed missed the post were the 'world class' debate had come from. I'm not the poster who said that anyone said he was 'world class'.
Read the thread next time before picking out a random post without looking further into it.
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