He's better utilized on the flanks to be honest. He's technically good but his finishing is shocking.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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He's better utilized on the flanks to be honest. He's technically good but his finishing is shocking.
Agreed. It would be a waste of all the things he's actually good at to play him as a proper #9.
So how did he do? Getting very good reviews in the few match reports I've read.
Played very well last night - the whole front four were as good as I've seen for England for a while, tbh. Actually looked like a proper team for a change.
He played well, involved in all the goals and was getting into goalscoring positions and worked hard all game. Some of his passing was a bit awry when he was trying to force it in the first half but looked confident and caused them problems drifting inside.
Just because it works for one player long term though doesn't mean it's going to work for another, especially when you consider that Henry was one of the very best strikers of his generation and far better than Welbeck will ever probably be.
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Right now he's an excellent dribbler with intelligent link-up play, who can keep possession in tight areas and also contributes a great deal defensively, but his finishing isn't reliable. That's not the profile of someone who should be playing as a proper striker right now.
What in holy hell do you mean? It obviously means it HAS to work, because it worked with Henry. Obvious, it's so obvious. feck sake.
Yes, it can work on some occasions, but just because it didn't hinder Henry out left doesn't mean that every single forward who is shifted out wide is going to benefit from it.
That's like saying if a player takes longer than usual to reach his prime and doesn't play well until he's 27 say, that every single player who hasn't lived up to his potential at a younger age will when he reaches 27.
It may be true in some cases, but some players will be hindered if they're shifted out of position for too long. Thankfully though, Welbeck has a lot of attributes that help him out wide so I doubt that it's going to be the case with him, but just because it benefited Henry in the long run doesn't mean it's guaranteed to benefit Welbeck. That sort of logic is utterly ridiculous.
You took my post serious? Ok. I thought I made it so damn ridiculous that you'd see that.
Anyway, I was just using Henry as an example before, and I'm sure there are many more but he sprung to mind. I wasn't comparing them as players, but at the time when Henry was shifted out wide, he was no-way the striker he eventually became, and no-one had no-way of knowing that he would become the class striker that he became. Just like you and me don't know how Welbeck will turn out!
I'm simply saying that it won't do the boy any harm IMO.
Yes, but he's still a forward whose potential will probably be best recognised centrally. If he really is going to improve his finishing than the best place he can play is in a central role. Problem is of course though that we have much better players there at the moment.
He's got a lot of attributes to help him out on the wing, but it's not his natural position and he's generally struck me as a more defensive winger sometimes who can help out tracking back due to his fantastic workrate. The fact that he's a better overall footballer than a number of defensive wingers helps as well obviously because it means he can be a lot more creative, but he's severely lacking in some key attributes for a winger such as his crossing.
Sorry, I thought it might have been sarcasm for a moment but then thought you were serious.
And I agree that it probably won't do him too much harm in the long run as well, but obviously it's not exactly helpful if he wants to improve aspects of his game such as his finishing.
I don't think he's a 'defensive' winger so much as an 'inside' winger. The only reason he's not a natural winger is that he's not a good crosser or long passer of the ball, and also that we play him on the left but he's right-footed, so his instinct will never be to go for the byline. But he's most effective taking on an only nominally wide position and then drifting inside to get involved in the build-up. His defensive contribution in terms of pressing high up the pitch is important, but his defining quality in that position is his intelligent link-up and creative play.
I agree that eventually he'll end up as a forward, and I see your point about him needing to play as a forward if he wants to improve his shooting. But you can't ask Moyes to sacrifice one of our top forwards to let Welbeck practice his finishing, and meanwhile I'm glad that we get to benefit from the current strengths of his game, which are more likely to shine through in a 'creative' position either on the wing or behind the striker.
If people watched the way he played on the left last night they shouldn't be too worried. He wasn't stuck far out on the wing by any means. He was allowed to drift centrally and linked up with the other attacking players very well through the middle. He made good runs into the box whenever the chance presented itself and got himself into very good shooting positions. He had as many shots at goal (and more on target) as Daniel Sturridge despite not playing as a striker. The improved runs into the box and greater willingness and ability to get his shots off are positive signs imo.
It is his personality on the ball which is an issue, for a striker he lacks drive. Even yesterday out of that front 4, he showed the least attacking threat in my opinion even though his touch was better than all of them.. he just seems to be happy to do the right thing on the ball but never the courageous thing i.e. drive past players and have a shot.
When he does do it, he usually produces quality but he just needs to develop that selfish streak as it is hampering him even out on the wing. His potential is vast but I fear he's playing within himself.
When he does do it, he usually produces quality but he just needs to develop that selfish streak as it is hampering him even out on the wing. His potential is vast but I fear he's playing within himself.
Raees, I could not agree more.I think Danny could well do with adding a little more aggression to his game.He needs to be more direct sometimes and selfish and take a chance instead of always looking to bring others into the game.It's about making the right choices which he doesn't always that do but he's still young and his best position does appear to be to the left of the striker and not as the focal point of the attack and I have faith that it will all come togther and click into place within a few years.He's not always easy on the eye but he has the tools and the goals will come although i don't ever imagine he'll be prolific in front of goal.For now it's a case of smoothing the rough edges and keeping him focussed on where he needs to improve.I'd like to see him play without the smile.
http://talksport.com/football/nugen...-should-never-have-played-england-13100963414
Talksport's listeners really are very intelligent.
Welbeck the 6th worst player to play for England. Aye, 8 goals in 19 games is woeful.
Talksport's listeners really are very intelligent.
Welbeck the 6th worst player to play for England. Aye, 8 goals in 19 games is woeful.
Says something when even the Talksport writers recognize this is harsh. You always get people who have some bizarre opinions and unfortunately they always tend to be the loudest voices.
Welbeck is mentioned but Emule Heskey gets away with it? Everything that's wrong with England and their fans.
Welbeck clearly isn't rated by non-United supporters, nothing new here.
The worst thing about England fans criticising him is that he performs pretty much every time he pulls on an England shirt.
ABU central - 4 one-cap-wonders, 2 United players and Carlton Palmer!Ironically, Young has always delivered a lot more for England than he has for United.
I think the perception regarding Welbeck is related to his lack of killer instinct, he doesn't "look" threatening enough for lack of better word. Yes his record for England is good but his lack of goals for Utd clouds a lot of people when it comes to judging him fairly.
Bizarre choices. Even the one cap wonders are odd selections as three of them actually scored in the match. There are plenty of worse players to choose from
...And it's time to fire the editor.
I am finding a but of an upward trend in the rating of him. Especially picked from the ABU's who don't watch United and are just ABU for the sake of it. They have taken notice of his England performances. I am not sure what the general opinion is in England but his credibility has gained a bit of momentum. I think anyway..
I think the perception regarding Welbeck is related to his lack of killer instinct, he doesn't "look" threatening enough for lack of better word. Yes his record for England is good but his lack of goals for Utd clouds a lot of people when it comes to judging him fairly.
And yet England players who bang in goals but have little finesse get the whole 'why don't we have skilful players like Spain and Germany?' whining thrown at them. The fact is that a lot of England fans are fecking idiots.
I think the general consensus among level headed fans, most united fans and experts is that is he is a very good player who has everything but just needs that extra bit in goal scoring. I think that will come in time, Shearer said that he never scored that much at 22 either, and look where he ended up, all time premier league top scorer. Not saying Welbeck will be an all time top scorer, but just saying his end product will come about the more he plays and learns what his game is and what type of player he is.
Also worth taking a look at Henry's record at this age (or maybe just a year or so younger). Especially given that he's a more similar player than Shearer.
True, I was just saying that if Shearer is saying that then - I know it sounds a bit silly - but the future looks bright for Danny. I also would just love to see a mancunian playing for United, and hopefully a few more in Lingard and the Keane Brothers. It would just look great and glorious seeing a so called non-manc team fielding more Mancuinans in the first 11 than Man City.
Hang on, surely we've been doing that for 90% of the last couple of decades!
I agree with the general sentiment though, I've got a massive soft spot for the lad... my one-year-old's not called Danny for nothing!
My uncle and aunt just had a baby - my first and quite probably only cousin - and called him Daniel. They're from the City side of the family. As soon as I can muster the cash, a Welbeck shirt is heading the kid's way. I'm determined to win him back from the dark side.
I hope Welbeck takes a look at Sturridge and starts being more 'selfish'. Sturridge get's a lot of stick at times for it but it shows the confidence he has in himself something I've never thought of Welbeck
Brightonian, you can send one to me too.
Oh I'm sure we have (have they ever had more than us or equal before?) but it would be better nowadays now they they are oh so such a big club.
Welbeck has bags of confidence on the ball - and he's probably got more grounds than Sturridge to be confident in that area - but he could definitely do with a bit of Sturridge-esque selfishness in front of goal.
Personally would rather him dribbling unselfishly than dribbling down blind alleys and having tight angle shots.
Yeah lol, that's 'all' he does, 19 goals from 25 games from 'running down blind alleys' and 'taking tight angle shots'. I would hate Welbeck to start scoring on a more regular basis.
I'd prefer he play up front as well, but we can't always have what we want.
I don't think he does, not as much as Sturridge anyway. Another thing Welbeck could improve upon is be more decisive on the ball
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