Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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bosnian_red said:
I can't believe you're honestly comparing Welbeck's hold up play to RVP. Words really do fail me here...
Your location is quite apt if you seriously think Welbeck has comparable hold up play to Robin Van Persie. This was the average Welbeck performance when put up front as a striker, and you compare it to one of Van Persie's worst games.
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Of all the things to criticise Welbeck for, hold up play is probably the strangest.. he's very strong at it, whether he got outmuscled by Yaya Toure today or not.

RvP gave a similar performance to the Anfield one against Chelsea, so perhaps you should reconsider what level RvP's hold up play is at in this season's form rather than when he was absolutely on fire last season.

Here is the map of Welbeck's performance today

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/694945/player-stats/50175/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Now compare it to RvP's against opposition of a similar level (or slightly lower) this season

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...er-stats/12297/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...er-stats/12297/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor

Whether RvP is a better technical player, world class last season or whatever it's hard to look at those and claim he would have held the ball up better than Welbeck did today
 
RVP is one of the best at hold up play and he some how always manage to make space for him self to face goal. I can't see that in Welbecks game. Welbeck plays the ball to fast and don't try to make space and search for more creative better options. He tend to play one first movement to often.
 
So basically he made loads of 2 meter backwards passes on the left without even attempting a header all game, and with 1 attempted dribble that didn't work all game too?
I'm not really criticizing Welbeck for his hold up play too much, more finding it laughable that you're comparing Van Persie to him. He may not be in the best of form right now, but we all know what kind of impact a player like that does. The opposition needs to put special instructions just for him, and for Rooney as well. I doubt Pellegrini worried about Welbeck before the game in all fairness to him. Instead he focused on shutting out Rooney. It wouldn't have been so easy had RVP been there as well. A big difference between someone like Van Persie, and Welbeck, is the impact they have on everyone else and the opposition. You can't just look at individual performances and assume he wouldn't have made a big difference.
 
I'm comparing their hold up play, which Welbeck is very good at and based on what we've seen did a better job of today than RVP would have- lack of special instructions or no.

He certainly wasn't 'lost', didn't 'give it away every time he got it' and got outmuscled once by Yaya fecking Toure, he was nowhere near as shit as you seem to wanted to make out, before backing out of the hyperbole slightly
 
Welbeck is a good player. He's fast and he's got good technique. Unfortunately his finishing is shit and his crossing is a bit meh so god knows where we can play him. Luckily for him he's from our youth academy so no matter what happens he'll be rated a legend in the same way OShea, Butt and Wes 'injury prone' Brown were. Things would be pretty different if he was French or Portuguese.
 
Playing Welbeck is fine when we have the likes of Nani, Kagawa and RvP in the team. When we have Welbeck, Young and Valencia there's just no creativity whatsoever.
 
Welbeck is overated and should be dropped into the reserves for more training.
He has got no dribbling skill and can only push and run. Looks like he has lost his shooting skill too and is
not even robust enough. United should have sign Ricky Lambert during the transfer window and I believe he would love to come. Even though much older but he is definitely much better striker than Welbeck.
At least he can be a good target for the wingers to put in their crosses. Playing 2 wingers but without a tough robust striker to nod in the crosses is tactically poor.
 
Tonjo said:
Welbeck is overated and should be dropped into the reserves for more training.
He has got no dribbling skill and can only push and run. Looks like he has lost his shooting skill too and is
not even robust enough. United should have sign Ricky Lambert during the transfer window and I believe he would love to come. Even though much older but he is definitely much better striker than Welbeck.
At least he can be a good target for the wingers to put in their crosses. Playing 2 wingers but without a tough robust striker to nod in the crosses is tactically poor.
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Lambert? :lol:

Why not Milner as well?

We could line up like this:

Valencia--Carrick---Milner--Young
-------Rooney-----Lambert--------

It'd almost be like watching England.
 
Tonjo said:
Welbeck is overated and should be dropped into the reserves for more training.
He has got no dribbling skill and can only push and run. Looks like he has lost his shooting skill too and is
not even robust enough. United should have sign Ricky Lambert during the transfer window and I believe he would love to come. Even though much older but he is definitely much better striker than Welbeck.
At least he can be a good target for the wingers to put in their crosses. Playing 2 wingers but without a tough robust striker to nod in the crosses is tactically poor.
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I agree with some of what you said about Welbeck but Ricky Lambert?? We have Hernandez in case you've forgotten.
 
Tonjo said:
Welbeck is overated and should be dropped into the reserves for more training.
He has got no dribbling skill and can only push and run. Looks like he has lost his shooting skill too and is
not even robust enough. United should have sign Ricky Lambert during the transfer window and I believe he would love to come. Even though much older but he is definitely much better striker than Welbeck.
At least he can be a good target for the wingers to put in their crosses. Playing 2 wingers but without a tough robust striker to nod in the crosses is tactically poor.
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I thought I'd accidentally clicked on the Newbie forum for a second but no, somebody as mentally challenged as you was actually allowed to post with the big boys.
 
Ah wait, joined in 99' when there was no newbie system. Explains how he slipped through.
 
Tonjo said:
Welbeck is overated and should be dropped into the reserves for more training.
He has got no dribbling skill and can only push and run. Looks like he has lost his shooting skill too and is
not even robust enough. United should have sign Ricky Lambert during the transfer window and I believe he would love to come. Even though much older but he is definitely much better striker than Welbeck.
At least he can be a good target for the wingers to put in their crosses. Playing 2 wingers but without a tough robust striker to nod in the crosses is tactically poor.
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Christ alive, Ricky Fecking Lambert, now I've seen it all.
And Welbecks biggest strength is dribbling you numpty. Shooting is a let down I must admit, but at least make some more relevant points.
 
Tonjo said:
Welbeck is overated and should be dropped into the reserves for more training.
He has got no dribbling skill and can only push and run. Looks like he has lost his shooting skill too and is
not even robust enough. United should have sign Ricky Lambert during the transfer window and I believe he would love to come. Even though much older but he is definitely much better striker than Welbeck.
At least he can be a good target for the wingers to put in their crosses. Playing 2 wingers but without a tough robust striker to nod in the crosses is tactically poor.
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This is surely a WUM..?
 
Ish84045 said:
RvP's hold up play is world class Drainy. I don't think Welbeck's that level yet.
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But yet he hasn't demonstrated it this year.

Welbeck has size, mobility, athleticism as well as very good skill and mental aptitude for it, which makes him very good at holding the ball up and bringing others into play. RvP showed last year he is excellent at receiving the ball in tight situations and manipulating it to create room for the pass, which is clearly outstanding but this year he has struggled to get into situations to receive the ball and hasn't held the ball up well against opposition roughly of City's standard.. which is why it's a little silly to claim he would have held the ball up better than Welbeck, who did a pretty good job of it, a couple of slips and getting outpowered by Yaya Toure aside.
 
Check his previous posts, he's no WUM.
 
Tonjo said:
Welbeck is overated and should be dropped into the reserves for more training.
He has got no dribbling skill and can only push and run. Looks like he has lost his shooting skill too and is
not even robust enough. United should have sign Ricky Lambert during the transfer window and I believe he would love to come. Even though much older but he is definitely much better striker than Welbeck.
At least he can be a good target for the wingers to put in their crosses. Playing 2 wingers but without a tough robust striker to nod in the crosses is tactically poor.
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You should stop typing. Forever.
 
Red Shorts said:
I honestly don't think so.
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It's a shame then... I genuinely rate Welbeck as one of, if not our brightest talent (Just behind De Gea probably)

But he has a point with Lambert... Then we could deploy Lambert & one of Roo/Welbeck/Hernandez (While Danny's training with the reserves ofc)
 
Tonjo said:
Welbeck is overated and should be dropped into the reserves for more training.
He has got no dribbling skill and can only push and run. Looks like he has lost his shooting skill too and is
not even robust enough. United should have sign Ricky Lambert during the transfer window and I believe he would love to come. Even though much older but he is definitely much better striker than Welbeck.
At least he can be a good target for the wingers to put in their crosses. Playing 2 wingers but without a tough robust striker to nod in the crosses is tactically poor.
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Great shout but I'd play Lambert in midfield cause he's scouse and aggressive, much better than that lazy microphone Fellatio. I'd also get Shelvey on loan in January because he's sick, oh and thanks for reminding me Mickeza.. G.Barry pulling the strings as the pivot.

Barry​
Lambert Shelvey​
Valencia RVP Young​
 
mickeza said:
Imagine if him and Kevin were given unlimited funds to create their own dream team? Barry holding things together in central midfield with Ricky Lambert banging them in up top, total football.
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Here they are:
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His technique is still hit and miss, sometimes he takes the ball in his stride effortlessly and looks a natural, other times he looks like he has two left feet and trips himself up. It's tough for him though as the 11/12 season saw him play mostly as Rooney's strike partner in his favoured position, now Fergie wanted more goals from him but I think most would agree it was a good building block season in his development.

However we bought RvP so he never got a second season as a striker and played mostly from the left, a position where his main strength is covering Evra as opposed to attacking as was shown by the poor return offensively.

Yesterday he was no poorer than any other attacker not named Rooney, in fact if Rooney holds his run an extra second then Danny has an assist and we open the scoring.
 
Tonjo said:
Welbeck is overated and should be dropped into the reserves for more training.
He has got no dribbling skill and can only push and run. Looks like he has lost his shooting skill too and is
not even robust enough. United should have sign Ricky Lambert during the transfer window and I believe he would love to come. Even though much older but he is definitely much better striker than Welbeck.
At least he can be a good target for the wingers to put in their crosses. Playing 2 wingers but without a tough robust striker to nod in the crosses is tactically poor.
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Shocking post.
 
Tonjo said:
Welbeck is overated and should be dropped into the reserves for more training.
He has got no dribbling skill and can only push and run. Looks like he has lost his shooting skill too and is
not even robust enough. United should have sign Ricky Lambert during the transfer window and I believe he would love to come. Even though much older but he is definitely much better striker than Welbeck.
At least he can be a good target for the wingers to put in their crosses. Playing 2 wingers but without a tough robust striker to nod in the crosses is tactically poor.
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Maybe you should go away and watch more football, this post is just dreadful.
Lambert !!!! Really you have to be joking.
 
Certainly a nonsense post by Tonjo.

But honestly though, Danny is a bit overrated isn't he? I mean its great that he works hard and can man mark, but in terms of creating and scoring goals he just doesn't do enough ATM for me. Regularly he frustrates by taking an extra touch, playing a poor pass or making a poor finish.

Not to say he can't get there but he has a lot to learn still, especially his decision making.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Certainly a nonsense post by Tonjo.

But honestly though, Danny is a bit overrated isn't he? I mean its great that he works hard and can man mark, but in terms of creating and scoring goals he just doesn't do enough ATM for me. Regularly he frustrates by taking an extra touch, playing a poor pass or making a poor finish.

Not to say he can't get there but he has a lot to learn still, especially his decision making.
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I still think he has a lot of talent. It's a shame he hasn't kicked on like Sturridge has as at one point they were of a similar level. In all honesty I wouldn't mind if he went on loan to a good PL club like Swansea or Everton and involved Hernandez and Kagawa more.
 
shaggy said:
I still think he has a lot of talent. It's a shame he hasn't kicked on like Sturridge has as at one point they were of a similar level. In all honesty I wouldn't mind if he went on loan to a good PL club like Swansea or Everton and involved Hernandez and Kagawa more.
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Sturridge certainly is a level above at this point. It's a shame as I thought Welbeck would be the better player. He still has time to be that as I think he has more in his locker than Sturridge, but Welbeck is a bit hit and miss at the moment.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Certainly a nonsense post by Tonjo.

But honestly though, Danny is a bit overrated isn't he? I mean its great that he works hard and can man mark, but in terms of creating and scoring goals he just doesn't do enough ATM for me. Regularly he frustrates by taking an extra touch, playing a poor pass or making a poor finish.

Not to say he can't get there but he has a lot to learn still, especially his decision making.
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I agree with this.

If we play him as a #10, he doesn't have the creativity or passing ability to unlock defenses. In all likelihood he will become a good striker in the future, but right now he is the 4th best striker we have and shouldn't be playing up top against top class opposition. I don't mind using him on the wing, but when we load the team up with other players who can "do a job defensively" it completely kills our attack and makes us heavily reliant on 1 or 2 players to create something out of nothing. In the Chelsea and Liverpool games we never looked like scoring until we removed some of these "do a job" players and added players who add an attacking threat.
 
If you would have watch the Liverpool v Southampton game, you would have agreed that Lambert has performed better than Welbeck. Lambert has made himself a nuisance and harassed the Liverpool defence throughout.
I am trying to imply that United could have bought someone more heavy weight so that their wingers have a target to cross to. If the wingers were not have a target, they should be the type that can create their own scoring chances instead. Nani and Zaha are the type who should be playing.
I am not crack and has watched United since the days of Best, Law and Charlton. In terms of dribbling, no one comes near Best in England and Jimmy Johnstone in Scotland.
 
Danny is not at the point where he can start against City away and expect to dominate. I would have thought Rooney up top and Kagawa (or whoever) behind would have been the way to go.

Danny is still a bit too loose with his passing at times against the very top level teams, but I think he will get there, he's still up and coming.

Obviously on his day he can be a match winner against anyone, he just needs consistency, and the vision and surety that comes with experience.
 
He's overrated on here just like most promising academy prospects are, but he's still good. Doesn't warrant a place ahead of Hernandez, who I think is just the better player.
 
Tonjo said:
Welbeck is overated and should be dropped into the reserves for more training.
He has got no dribbling skill and can only push and run. Looks like he has lost his shooting skill too and is
not even robust enough. United should have sign Ricky Lambert during the transfer window and I believe he would love to come. Even though much older but he is definitely much better striker than Welbeck.
At least he can be a good target for the wingers to put in their crosses. Playing 2 wingers but without a tough robust striker to nod in the crosses is tactically poor.
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fecking hell, this can't be serious? Ricky fecking Lambert?
 
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