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Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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Yes, his game is bit different in games when we play Rooney behind van Persie and he is shifted wide, but I think that is down to instruction he gets from manager, it's different when you have him playing with Giggs who isn't spending too much times in the box and is likely to be involved in creation more than scoring goals, and Rooney who has striker's mentality after all, and is getting in the box quite often, so Moyes has to find some balance.
One thing I know is that you have to find a way to have Welbeck on the pitch because United are just better for him being out there.
The club is going to give this lad every chance to develop, even if it means using Rooney as a sub or out of position. Even if it means leaving Nani on the sidelines. Because if his attributes, physical and technical, can be allowed to mature and develop, the finished article could be a sight to behold. Think of how far Welbeck has come in such a short time. There is still room for him to improve again as much in the next couple seasons before we see the finished article.
Was Thierry Henry a wide player or a centre forward? He was both. Welbeck can be both too.
The club is going to give this lad every chance to develop, even if it means using Rooney as a sub or out of position. Even if it means leaving Nani on the sidelines. Because if his attributes, physical and technical, can be allowed to mature and develop, the finished article could be a sight to behold. Think of how far Welbeck has come in such a short time. There is still room for him to improve again as much in the next couple seasons before we see the finished article.
Was Thierry Henry a wide player or a centre forward? He was both. Welbeck can be both too.
Balotelli is a better player but I wouldn't swap them. Welbeck is a homegrown player who loves United, while Balotelli is a bit mental. Also we don't know if would be happy to play out of position.
Yeah, that's what I'll do, but I'm thinking of making a Welbeck vs Swansea (or Wigan) pressing video.
Balotelli might be better now, but Welbeck's ceiling is obviously higher. He's got lterally ALL the physical attributes to be an excellent forward, and is only going to get better. Ballotelli's mentality wll cap him pretty soon...
Can't agree with that at all. If Balotelli had that loose screw tightened in his brain, he could be potentially a fantastic forward.
Possibly a World Player of the Year winner if he could, his actual ceiling of talent is considerably above Danny's. Both still special players in my book but there are levels and Balotelli's is higher.
Welbeck having potential higher than Balotelli? Not a chance. Balotelli has potential to become one of the best players in the world, it's only his stupidity that won't let him achieve that. And he has also all physical attributes Welbeck have. In fact I will be happy if Welbeck only becomes as good as Balotelli (of course not with Balotelli's mentality).
Balotelli is so overrated on the caf. He's a great player, but a future world player of the year? I hardly think so.
Balotelli is overrated because he's mental. People are so keen to put the 'troubled genius' label on him.
In truth he was completely average during his time at City.
Welbeck is far more talented.
In truth he was completely average during his time at City.
Welbeck is far more talented.
errmmmm... why are you comparing Balotelli to Welbeck? 
Was literally about to type this but decided I couldn't be arsed.
Very good technical player and always very gifted physically (he was basically a child in a man's body at 18) but he's not Ronaldo.
errmmmm... why are you comparing Balotelli to Welbeck?
Comparisons between the two have been going on since his time at City. For obvious reasons.
Two title rivals and local rivals, each with a talented young forward who can also play wide. Both around the same age. Both trying to break into the first XI. Both starting to get called up to their national teams. Both showing glimpses of huge talent.
I agree with this bit. Since then, particularly on national duty, he's shown much more. I think he has the potential to be a truly great striker. But there's no way he's anywhere near future balon d'or quality as some seem to think.
It's hard to compare him and Welbeck because they're so different. Balotelli is very direct - in general, the more direct he is, the better he plays. Welbeck, on the other hand, is as much a schemer as a finisher.
I reckon they're about equal in terms of potential, if I'm being as objective as I can. Welbeck needs to add composure in front of goal (and goals, basically.) Balotelli needs to add discipline, consistency and intelligence (his decision making is still regularly very poor).
Without judging with red eyes, I think Balotelli is and always will be a better player than Welbeck.
What obvious reasons? Balotelli likes to play from standstill, often with his back to goal. Welbeck is always on the move and likes to play facing the goal. Balotelli moves like a heavy weight boxer with quick feet, Welbeck like a ballet dancer. Welbeck keeps his head down and seems to be a model professional, Balotelli is a nut job.
If you ask me I think they would compliment each other!
If you ask me I think they would compliment each other!
There were words in my post after the phrase 'obvious reasons'.
Maybe I accidentally changed the font colour to white so you missed them?
Let me check.
Wait, no. No I didn't. The words are there clear as day in black.
It turns out, you're just being a fecking cnut.
Why am I being a cnut? For disagreeing with people comparing Balotelli to Welbeck? Or aren't I allowed to state my opinion anymore?
Does Welbeck really prefer to be facing the goal?
if anything until recently he was almost reluctant to try and do any progressive passing or to take a shot on, he was far more comfortable with his back to goal doing layoffs/ flicks/ dummies to create room for other players.
if anything until recently he was almost reluctant to try and do any progressive passing or to take a shot on, he was far more comfortable with his back to goal doing layoffs/ flicks/ dummies to create room for other players.
If you'd compare Welbeck to lets say Sturridge, then I'd sort of see the point. But I don't see the point to comparing Welbeck to Balotelli because they're different type of players and characters. If you ask me who I think is the better then at this moment I'd say Balotelli because he's had a much bigger impact in the game. Having said that, Welbeck is still work in progress. But I think the argument is pointless.
That screw loose is his ceilng. Welbeck is about as nailed on to become a fantastic forward as a 22 year old that isn't can be. He's got literally everything going for him. He's at one of the biggest clubs in the world, has the support of the manager and will be nurtured in the right way. Balotelli is a bit of an idiot savant, although people here overrate him. He very good, but to suggest that he'll always be better than Welbeck is nonsense. Welbeck's head is in the right place, Balotelli's isn't.
Let's go over this:
You: Why are people comparing Balotelli and Welbeck?
Me: For obvious reasons. (I then list several of those reasons)
You: What obvious reasons? (You then ramble incoherently and ignore everything I said)
cnut might have been harsh. You might just be dim. More likely you're on the wind up.
Either way there's nothing for me to gain here. Adios.
Balotelli is a different type of player to Welbeck. When Welbeck plays deep then he has the technical ability to hold the ball up, but he's more often looking for the ball played deep. Naturally, because Welbeck is very fast! Balotelli is much more static, but is a better passer and has a better shot than Welbeck.
I think it's pointless comparing players for the reasons you state; because they are of similar age and have happened to have played at rival clubs. Adios!
Well Balotelli is more static (and in fairness he is fecking built, so he can just stand there- if Welbeck did that he'd be knocked off balance by the defenders- but he's getting stronger all the time) and has a more pure strike of a football than Welbeck. It's very questionable to say Balotelli is a better passer.
On their respective impacts, sure Balotelli has made a bigger splash at a younger age- he has had the advantage of a quicker physical development, but when you compare goal records to say Welbeck has spent a long time out on the wing and Balotelli takes penalties the difference in open play goals isn't anywhere near large enough for people to mock any comparison between the two, as if Balotelli is a footballing genius and Welbeck is a clown.
I'm not moking anything, I'm pointing out that to me the comparison is not obvious because they are different type of layers. Dzeko v Balotelli, I understand. Welbeck v Sturridge, I understand. Welbeck v Balotelli, well that's lost on me.
Ahh the famous RedCafe ceiling...
Agree with the first bit. He's massively overrated on the caf. I've never seen this mass of ability he's supposed to have. He has his momemnts, of course, but then so do many good players.
Odd clip. Does well to control the ball whilst being kneed in the back, but he regularly shows much more impressive controlling touches than that. He's particularly good at the Berbatov-esque 'pluck a 60 yard ball out of the air with your toe like it's nothing' thing.
Agreed. I thought it was impressive how he took it down, though as you said - the lay off to Cleverley lacked great technique.
He's not got the ability to play as that floating in and out 10. He's not getting any joy at the moment from deep especially since Lucas and Gerrard have pretty much not moved from sitting back after they scored. Need to free him up further and push everyone up nad have some steel to keep hold on midfield but none can really keep it.
He's definitely getting into good positions to have a shot. But the link up play is not there today which is odd for him.
He's definitely getting into good positions to have a shot. But the link up play is not there today which is odd for him.
Thought he had quite a poor game today. Didn't create anywhere near enough for Van Persie considering he was playing in behind the striker a lot of the time and didn't pose much of a goal threat himself.
Just shoot already!! or just pass it already!! He takes too much time on the ball. Seems to want to craft the perfect goal. Remember when Moyes said his Swansea tap-in was his favourite...I thought that was a message to Welbeck. Also don't like the part of his play when he loses a ball or cause a play to break down - slow to recover and to make up for his mistake.
He had a couple of shots on goal and his workrate alone meant he was very useful. Really seemed up for it. I don't think playing as a 10 is his best position - he might even be better on the left than as a 10.
It's time he's benched. Got enough chances lately. Unless it's in his preferred position, we should not sacrifice other players for his sake.
His workrate does make him useful but apart from that I don't think he really offered enough today. He may have been working hard but his movement was fairly poor and Hernandez looked better for me when he came on.
In Welbeck's defense who else are you gonna play at minute? Young - Who isn't good enough? Kagawa - Who is injured and a number 10 by trade? Nani - Who is just back from injury?
Next. Time for him to sit out a bit.
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