Not his night tonight. As Ash says, you don't expect him to be whipping them in so he has to be getting more value from the possession he has. Pity, would have liked to see him continue that momentum.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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That shot was so bad. He's just not ruthless enough.
His overall play was still good, but he looked wayward in front of goal again. To be fair, so did RVP at times. Both were guilty of Arsenaling about in the box too much when they should have been looking to pull the trigger at the first opportunity.
With Rooney again in the team and moving Welbeck wide, I can see him again getting undeserved critics again for lack of goals.
Depends. There's no reason he shouldnt continue to score from that position especially as he interchanges with the strikers and gets into the box.
If he does have a goal drought like last season it'll be because he isnt getting into good goalscoring positions and not taking his chances, the same reason he didnt get enough last season
Even if he improves in those areas, he won't score more than around 10 goals in all competitions from that position IMO, and I am sure many will find that as a small number.
10 is a lot more than 2.
Welbeck has scored 3 goals in his last three football matches. A very in-form Rooney and RVP couldn't find the net today.
Are we really back to criticising him based on this evidence?
Are we really back to criticising him based on this evidence?
Don't think Welbeck will be able to shine alongside Rooney and RVP. He's generally done well with one or the other though.
In terms of 'from the left' his directness and penetration needs to be a bit better and in this situation is where a genuine left sided attacking option is probably a better choice. He's still a very very good footballer despite today's performance. Wish he slotted that good chance in the box. Was probably the best chance of the game.
Did you guys see Rooney give him a love-boot when he went down in the second half..
.Nope, apparently we're back to criticizing people who thought 2 goals was too few. For no particular reason
I thought he was pretty poor today, Offered very little from the left, leaving us with a severe lack of width and as always with Welbeck he's seems to be very frustrating, gets the hard stuff right then buggers up the easy stuff.
Would like to have seen him come off sooner and maybe put Kagawa or Young on instead.
Would like to have seen him come off sooner and maybe put Kagawa or Young on instead.
He played in the same position as he did against Swansea. He wasn't "moved wide". If anything I think that position suits his traits better than playing up front.
Against more open teams who aren't parking the bus he will create more and maybe score more goals from the left. He'll be less rigid and less focussed on making sure we stop the counter. I felt that this morning all his and really Carrick/Cleverley and Valencia's focus was to stay deep and stop the quick counter which is what Mourinho's team was set up to do. Park the bus and lightning quick counter.
If the midfield of Cleverley and Carrick pushed up further there would be more options for him coming off the left. Really all he relied on was the track back and safe pass or a 1 in 3 shot at hitting an early cross. Or Evra bombing which kind of lopsides the whole defensive pattern if we turn it over.
he is a forward and not a left winger. it is shame because he has to play out of position because of rooney's return now. but we need 4 forwards in the squad and hopefully he will get his time upfront as the season progress.
My response after matches like this is feck Rooney the useless ungrateful, fat, troll and play Welbeck through the center.
I know he wasn't playing up front against Swansea as some said after the game, but his primary position was behind van Persie, or as second striker, and he often swaped positions with Giggs, but he was much more central and spent more time in the box or trying to run behind the defence(doing things what strikers or second strikers do) but it's clear that with Rooney and van Persie in the team yesterday those instruction weren't given to him, since he played much more wider, and was more defensively oriented.
Yeah, he will get into more goalscoring chances against weaker teams, no doubt about that, but I still don't see him scoring too much if he continues to play in same position, even if he improves his finishing this year.
How is it a shame when Welbeck isn't anywhere near as good as Rooney is at his best and probably won't ever reach that level? Rooney playing for us is better for the team overall and increases our chances in every competition.
Also as much as we'd all like to see him up front, I can't see him there too often, considering Van Persie is easily first choice, and then there is Hernandez and Rooney who are both better for that position. He'll get a few probably but not very many at all.
10 goals (as long as he makes another 10 assists) will be a very solid end product by him. I don't think that he's going to achieve that this season though.
Again...what makes people think Welbeck is more suited to playing as a striker?
EDIT: left out the "more", can see why people lost their shit a bit.
Yeah, that would be excellent, considering our all wingers haven't scored and assisted 20 goals in total last year.
Giggs interchanged with him a lot more against Swansea than Rooney did last night, so he was in central positions behind (and occasionally alongside) Robin more. I feel if he is playing on the left there needs to be a fair bit of interchanging with the number 10 because his really good moments offensively, rarely come from the wing.
He's still only a baby, as David O'Leary would say. He's still a couple of seasons away from bringing it all together consistently. When he does he'll be one of the best strikers in the country.
Because his attacking game is about holding the ball up and bringing others into play, as well as stretching defences by running the channels? He will make a decent enough wide player, but his strengths are best utilised up front.
Do you seriously think that Welbeck played the same position in the two games or did you miscommunicate/ have a moment?
I think playing wide suits his best attributes. And for a large part, yes he did. He had more work defensively to do against a team like Chelsea than he did against Swansea.
What makes me think hes a striker is a reasonable question? obvious troll is obvious.
Again way to fecking misquote me.
Wouldn't have anywhere near the left when there's an actual winger available, doesn't offer enough.
Oh feck... I left out the "more"
What makes you think Welbeck is MORE suited to play as a striker (as opposed to a winger) ?
What makes you think Welbeck is MORE suited to play as a striker (as opposed to a winger) ?
I'd say doing layoffs, flicks, holding the ball up, and bringing others into play is best done as close to goal as possible to create space for others to get a shot away. Playing centrally also lets him sit on deep lying playmakers, block passing lanes or pressurise defenders so they can't pick out passes from the back.
How about his whole career to date, the opinions of all our youth team coaches, the England manager and that of our former manager? Is that good enough for some WUM off the internet?
If the last two games have shown anything, it's that he is far more effective nearer the middle of the pitch (Against Swansea - where he and Giggs could interchange quite freely) then when he's out left (agaisnt Chelsea, where he didn't have such a freedom with Rooney).
I agree with the bit about him "pressing the deep lying playmakers". In some regards he'd be better than Rooney in doing that. But I think his stamina, work rate are better suited to the left. He doesn't play as a classic winger either. He cuts in a lot. Most of the time last night he left the crossing to Evra while he added more height to the box.
I just don't get the "He played out of position again ffs" thing. He's the best left winger we have at the minute.
Scholes started out as a striker, Ferdinand was a striker, Evra played left wing. Players shifting positions isn't entirely uncommon when they become pro's.
Oh and stop getting so fecking worked up. Take a break from this thread, because really, you are the only one being uncivil.
I think you are getting a bit confused here....
You started off by saying hes a better winger than a striker, I disagreed. You asked me what I based that on and I responded.
You then changed somewhat to saying hes our best left winger at the moment.( I also disagree with that).
The lad is a striker, simple as that. His many attributes allow him to influence a game out wide. That doesnt make him an less of a striker.
Im sorry but to ask such a question as " what makes him suited to playing as a striker" 1 week after he played so well centrally just screams of someone who just doesnt rate or like the player.
You have just spent the last 3-4 posts flamebaiting. Instead of answering the question. What makes him more suited to playing up front than as a winger. And don't quote Ferguson & Hodgson. Don't throw down the F bombs. Just tell me what parts of his game are better suited to that position.
MORE. Key word you left out.
Oh ho ho ho! Let's just misquote again entirely.
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