Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Lynk said:
I agree with the bit about him "pressing the deep lying playmakers". In some regards he'd be better than Rooney in doing that. But I think his stamina, work rate are better suited to the left. He doesn't play as a classic winger either. He cuts in a lot. Most of the time last night he left the crossing to Evra while he added more height to the box.


I just don't get the "He played out of position again ffs" thing. He's the best left winger we have at the minute.
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In fairness, playing on the left isn't the position he played in for most of his footballing education (at least what I saw). When he was 15 he played mostly as a right winger at u18s level to get games because he was very slight in build, but as soon as he became physically ready he was moved centrally where he formed a great partnership with Macheda- and to be fair to him, Welbeck did pretty much all the work and chipped in fairly often while Kiko really prospered from playing with Danny. At u-21s level, again he played as a striker and even managed to allow Dong to do a passable impression of a footballer for a bit. It wasn't until Fergie wanted to blood him into the first team that he really started playing on the left- so in that sense it is out of position for him.

If we want to get the best out of him, we need to use him centrally- and I'm sure whoever he plays with will love it if we do..
 
Drainy said:
It wasn't until Fergie wanted to blood him into the first team that he really started playing on the left- so in that sense it is out of position for him.

If we want to get the best out of him, we need to use him centrally- and I'm sure whoever he plays with will love it if we do..
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In fairness he did spend his entire loan spell at Sunderland performing ably on the right. Before Ferguson decided on playing him wide left.
 
I think he didn't contribute as much as I hope he would. However, there seemed to be some tactical instruction for him not to press as much as he usually does.
As well as Rooney seems to have done, I think Welbeck would have worked better with Van Persie through the middle especially as he applies pressure on the defence
 
One week he's back... The next - some "intelligent" poster makes a generic remark which resembles this: "what's that you lot were saying?" I've been impressed thus far. He's made a better impact early on this season than (early on) last season, which is the main positive out of all of this IMO. I've enjoyed watching him press and force defenders into making mistakes. I might make a Welbeck pressing video (or is that a bit too much?). He's an important component of our current team obviously and I'd rather judge him after a few more games.
 
Lynk said:
You have just spent the last 3-4 posts flamebaiting. Instead of answering the question. What makes him more suited to playing up front than as a winger. And don't quote Ferguson & Hodgson. Don't throw down the F bombs. Just tell me what parts of his game are better suited to that position.



MORE. Key word you left out.

Oh ho ho ho! Let's just misquote again entirely.
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Why exactly do you want to hear my opinion on Danny Welbeck as opposed to the experts that have worked with him every day since he's 14 years of age? I left out Eric Harrison in my last post. Is it possible to quote his opinion or is that also irrelevant?

Some quotes from you on Welbeck in the last 12 months.........

"21 games, 1 goal. If someone mentions playing on the wing, I'm bringing out the shotgun"

"On Welbeck V Balotelli

Passing - Uhhh, both are inconsistent
Work Rate - Welbeck
Team Ethic - Isn't this same thing as Work Rate?
Dribbling - Balotelli
Vision - Draw
Penalties - Balotelli
Finishing - Ballotelli
Free kicks - Ballotelli
Crossing - Ballotelli
Technqiue - Ballotelli"

Not sure what to say about the above.

As long as Im aware of you on this site you've attempted to dismissed Welbeck at every opportunity . Every single post Ive seen from you about him seems to be a generic "hes not up to it" response. Its like you judge him against the standards that RVP and Rooney set and not as young home-grown product who's learning his trade at the very top level. Its actually plainly obvious he has developed continually since hes made our first team.

On that last sentence Im basing it not on my opinion but that of Liverpool fans ffs

At 21 Im sure I reminder you saying his stats aren't what we need as a Man Utd striker. At 21!!!!

Seriously its embarrassing at this point. Do you not understand the very fabric of the club? have faith in young players and trust them. Support them. Trust me....its a lot more fun.

All you seem to do is complain about him.
 
All good, but what was the point of quoting that comparison with Balotelli, when it's absolutely a correct comparison.
 
Decotron said:
It was to help highlight the obsession he has with putting the lad down. There are countless examples in the main Welbeck thread. Im certainly not the first to highlight it either.
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Yes, but Balotelli is better in all those things Lynk said, probably only dribbling could be debatable, the others aren't even close. So, I don't get why you pointed a post that was correct to prove something.
 
Decotron.. I find it highly ironic that you post about me being obsessed, when I just stroll in and try to start a conversation, as opposed to YOU, who is digging through posts over 12 months old.



But whatever. Stay hateful.
 
Anyone who's watched Ballotelli would agree that he rarely performs to his full potential. The above ratings are based on him turning up. Welbeck delivers in a team sense more than Ballotelli ever has.
 
Decotron said:
Anyone who's watched Ballotelli would agree that he rarely performs to his full potential. The above ratings are based on him turning up. Welbeck delivers in a team sense more than Ballotelli ever has.
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Balotelli is currently a better player than Welbeck. And he's better in all those stats Lynk mentioned.
 
Decotron said:
Points addressed = 0
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There's no points. The whole topic has changed from my discussion about "Why is Welbeck more suited as a striker as opposed to winger?" to your own boring fecking agenda. What has quotes (true none the less) about Balotelli got to do with my discussion? Nothing. You're really looking pathetic.
 
Revan said:
Balotelli is currently a better player than Welbeck. And he's better in all those stats Lynk mentioned.
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Again....At his best? easily!

What about the games that he simply doesn't turn up? I agree completely in terms of natural ability. Balotelli could be up there with the very best in the world if things were purely based on ability. Fact of the matter is that they aren't.

His stint with City showed that his best is rarely seen never mind any iota of consistency.
 
Decotron: Obsessed with discrediting Lynk & derailing a valid discussion.
 
Lynk said:
There's no points. The whole topic has changed from my discussion about "Why is Welbeck more suited as a striker as opposed to winger?" to your own boring fecking agenda. What has quotes (true none the less) about Balotelli got to do with my discussion? Nothing. You're really looking pathetic.
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Fair enough if you reckon theres nothing to be discussed.

Just thought it was worth highlighting your ongoing obsession with Welbeck again. Your tagline didn't invent itself from nowhere.
 
Decotron said:
Fair enough if you reckon theres nothing to be discussed.

Just thought it was worth highlighting your ongoing obsession with Welbeck again. Your tagline didn't invent itself from nowhere.
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I had something to discuss, until you derailed the whole fecking thread with this point scoring bullshit.
 
Decotron said:
Again....At his best? easily!

What about the games that he simply doesn't turn up? I agree completely in terms of natural ability. Balotelli could be up there with the very best in the world if things were purely based on ability. Fact of the matter is that they aren't.

His stint with City showed that his best is rarely seen never mind any iota of consistency.
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And I guess Welbeck turns in every game? You're talking like Balotelli being an inconsistent player while Welbeck delivers every time.
 
Revan said:
And I guess Welbeck turns in every game? You're talking like Balotelli being an inconsistent player while Welbeck delivers every time.
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Welbeck's inconsistency is about what you would expect from a player of his age. Balotelli has far more poor games than good ones, but this gets masked by the fact he takes penalties so he can chip in with a goal even when he's been terrible.
 
Drainy said:
Welbeck's inconsistency is about what you would expect from a player of his age. Balotelli has far more poor games than good ones, but this gets masked by the fact he takes penalties so he can chip in with a goal even when he's been terrible.
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Do you know that Balotelli is only 3 months older?
 
Decotron said:
Anyone who's watched Ballotelli would agree that he rarely performs to his full potential. The above ratings are based on him turning up. Welbeck delivers in a team sense more than Ballotelli ever has.
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Are you saying when Balotelli doesn't turn up, Welbeck is better at Freekicks and Penalties?
 
Decotron said:
Well if he isn't actually there and Welbeck is....I reckon theres a strong possibility ;)
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Do you deliberately not read the entirety of posts? What about the second part?
 
Amar__ said:
Yeah, he will get into more goalscoring chances against weaker teams, no doubt about that, but I still don't see him scoring too much if he continues to play in same position, even if he improves his finishing this year.
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It's fair enough. I still think when Rooney plays he has a bit of an 'in awe' type of complex. When he's forward he's always in the right positions to attack due to his role on the park. When he plays that left sided role if Rooney is on the park it looks to me as though he's trying to set it up for him as much as possible. As though maybe Rooney has said 'when you can play me in, you fecking play me in Danny'. I dunno if that is true of course but it sometimes feels like that to me.

When up front though he plays more a strikers role which of course suits him.
 
Andrew~ said:
Who you swap an inferior player for a quite clearly better one? Makes sense.
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Swap a home-grown player, who loves the club, who happens to be a huge prospect and already a class player who works his socks off for the team every game he plays for a player who, although a top class player, represents a huge risk, both in terms of performance and, to a larger extent, squad harmony

I think not
but seems others would
 
ghaliboy said:
I fear this question will not be met with your desired response. A lot of posters on the Caf underrate or dislike Welbeck and would take Balotelli.
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If they do, they should really take a look at the traditions of the team they support. Balotelli is great entertainment, but choosing a headcase over a homegrown talent really shouldn't be an option.
 
NM said:
If they do, they should really take a look at the traditions of the team they support. Balotelli is great entertainment, but choosing a headcase over a homegrown talent really shouldn't be an option.
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It's not really all that shocking. When it comes to being a footballer on the pitch Balotelli is probably better. But no, I wouldn't swap him for any realistic player in the world.
 
Mersault said:
Swap a home-grown player, who loves the club, who happens to be a huge prospect and already a class player who works his socks off for the team every game he plays for a player who, although a top class player, represents a huge risk, both in terms of performance and, to a larger extent, squad harmony

I think not
but seems others would
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Having good home-grown players is nice, but I'd rather have better players than them, if they are there.
 
I'd keep welbeck because he's level headed and home grown and has been schooled in the united way, but balotelli's surely clearly the better player?? We're not even sure if welbeck is better than Hernandez going by last season.
 
Mersault said:
Would anyone here swap Welbeck for Balotelli? I doubt it
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Andrew~ said:
Who you swap an inferior player for a quite clearly better one? Makes sense.
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Mersault said:
Swap a home-grown player, who loves the club, who happens to be a huge prospect and already a class player who works his socks off for the team every game he plays for a player who, although a top class player, represents a huge risk, both in terms of performance and, to a larger extent, squad harmony

I think not
but seems others would
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Andrew~ said:
Having good home-grown players is nice, but I'd rather have better players than them, if they are there.
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But if they are better, why would they come to United when Van Persie, Rooney, and Hernandez are at the club? Do you think Balotelli, a starter at Milan and 1st choice Italian international would want to be merely a squad player or playing on the wing? If you want a squad of 25 world class
players in each position fine, but United might as well shut down the academy and not bother about developing youngsters, and just go the Real Madrid route........that's if they can afford it.
 
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