Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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I would imagine that Van Persie would be much better technically at the same age?

I think people don't realise just how technically good Welbeck is. He sometimes over complicates things and gets his body in bad positions, but he has outstanding technique.
If Welbeck was to play in the Dutch league I think he would immediately be one of the top players it that league because he would get more time & room and protection from the refs.
 
I think people don't realise just how technically good Welbeck is. He sometimes over complicates things and gets his body in bad positions, but he has outstanding technique.
If Welbeck was to play in the Dutch league I think he would immediately be one of the top players it that league because he would get more time & room and protection from the refs.
Outstanding is quite a bit of a stretch. He's good but he's not amongst the best in technical terms.
 
Outstanding is quite a bit of a stretch. He's good but he's not amongst the best in technical terms.

I disagree. For example, I don't think it's possible to chip a keeper from about 10 meters out whilst at full pace without having outstanding technique. And we've seen these flashes of brilliance before from him. I think with Welbeck it's all about if he can translate that ability of his into something more effective.
 
agreed with Rams. He seems to have good technique for scissors kicks and volleys too.

If he was playing for Ajax for example, the big teams would all be fighting over who's going to sign him
 
I disagree. For example, I don't think it's possible to chip a keeper from about 10 meters out whilst at full pace without having outstanding technique. And we've seen these flashes of brilliance before from him. I think with Welbeck it's all about if he can translate that ability of his into something more effective.
Would you say ramires has "outstanding" technique? His chip against barcelona was brilliant. I don't see anyone using that to say his technique is as good as rvp's.
 
Would you say ramires has "outstanding" technique? His chip against barcelona was brilliant. I don't see anyone using that to say his technique is as good as rvp's.

Oh, I think Welbeck's finish against Swansea was much harder mate. Welbeck had first to make a great first touch at speed, was much closer to goal, at an angle and had less room.
 
Oh, I think Welbeck's finish against Swansea was much harder mate. Welbeck had first to make a great first touch at speed, was much closer to goal, at an angle and had less room.
Agree to disagree I guess. I do think a lot of people underrate his technical ability because he has a clumsy way about him at times which masks a technically good player but I don't see him up there with the Van Persie's of this world. Hopefully I, proven wrong.
 
He's not up there with Van Persie. On a technical level, RvP is world class, especially at striking the football, even from a young age- Welbeck is very good (particularly at manipulating the ball to maintain possession) but not at that level- he'll be a top player but I don't see him having the range of finishes of a Van Persie
 
Welbecks control and dribbling in tight areas proves he has fantastic technique.

I am not really sure what Amol is trying to prove. Sure Welbecks shooting is not up to the same level as RVP, but he is 1 of the best ball "strikers" in the world. Danny is better in different areas, but his technique is very very good.
 
Welbecks control and dribbling in tight areas proves he has fantastic technique.

I am not really sure what Amol is trying to prove. Sure Welbecks shooting is not up to the same level as RVP, but he is 1 of the best ball "strikers" in the world. Danny is better in different areas, but his technique is very very good.

As far as I can tell in terms of his overall football Welbeck has a ceiling so high that it's silly to try and guess how good he will become. We just won't know until it happens. As for goalscoring, he's scored excellent goals of almost every type over the course of his career - long screamers, lovely curlers, athletic volleys, power headers, placement headers, slotted bottom corners, dinky chips, behind the leg flicks. He could go on to become a prolific and brilliant goalscorer, just like Shearer had yet to do at Danny's age. Or he might always remain a 'scorer of great goals but not a great goalscorer' type.

If he achieves the former, and also continues to be such a marvel with the ball at his feet, he is going to be an exceptional, exceptional player.
 
As far as I can tell in terms of his overall football Welbeck has a ceiling so high that it's silly to try and guess how good he will become. We just won't know until it happens. As for goalscoring, he's scored excellent goals of almost every type over the course of his career - long screamers, lovely curlers, athletic volleys, power headers, placement headers, slotted bottom corners, dinky chips, behind the leg flicks. He could go on to become a prolific and brilliant goalscorer, just like Shearer had yet to do at Danny's age. Or he might always remain a 'scorer of great goals but not a great goalscorer' type.

If he achieves the former, and also continues to be such a marvel with the ball at his feet, he is going to be an exceptional, exceptional player.


Yeah, I think his technique is excellent. Obviously it's not on Van Persie's level, but that's not to say it can't be. Time is most certainly on his side, and for me the most exciting part is watching his progress. In terms of tools, he's got pretty much everything you could want in a young striker, and how he puts everything together over the coming years is going to be very interesting...
 
Must say I was fuming when he tried to dribble his way out of trouble and then to which he gave the ball away which led to Bony's goal. I thought he put unnecessary pressure on the team at a time when we were in complete control.

But as usual, a fan is made to eat humble pie after his sublime finish for the 4th. All round he had a good game bar that mistake for their goal.
 
Great start in achieving this. I am feeling very comfortable in this prediction now. In fact, at this stage if he doesnt get 15 Im going to be a bit disappointed.

He's always been a confidence player in front of goal and not had enough easy poacher goals so both goals augur well for him. The main issue will be where he plays if and when Rooney is reintegrated into the starting line-up, however Moyes doesn't seem to want to restrict his wide players to stay wide so there will be more chances for him if he is pushed out of the centre positions.
 
He's always been a confidence player in front of goal and not had enough easy poacher goals so both goals augur well for him. The main issue will be where he plays if and when Rooney is reintegrated into the starting line-up, however Moyes doesn't seem to want to restrict his wide players to stay wide so there will be more chances for him if he is pushed out of the centre positions.

At the moment I'd say Rooney's got a better chance of getting his old #10 slot than Welbeck's 'wide forward' role. Rooney and Kagawa are both still working towards full match fitness, and will compete to win the central slot. Danny looks sharp as a tack, and I wouldn't drop him for either at the moment.
 
Nice little piece by Tom Williams on Welbeck's possible role in Moyes' United;

Tactics: Willing Welbeck key to Moyes’ United blueprint

August 23rd, 2013 | Author: Tom Williams
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David Moyes is only two competitive games into his tenure as Manchester United manager, and his tactical strategies are likely to evolve as the season progresses, but his side’s early performances have already benefited from the unique skillset of versatile forward Danny Welbeck.
In both the 2-0 victory over Wigan Athletic in the Community Shield and last Saturday’s 4-1 win at Swansea City, Welbeck operated in a role that was difficult to define; hugging the left touchline one minute, darting into the box the next. In this respect he dovetailed with Ryan Giggs, who was United’s most advanced central midfielder in both games.
Welbeck and Giggs were the only players in the United XI who could be said to have taken up unorthodox positions in the two matches. Michael Carrick and Tom Cleverley patrolled the centre of the pitch – Cleverley slightly ahead of his England colleague – and while Wilfried Zaha (in the Community Shield) and Antonio Valencia (against Swansea) stayed wide on the right flank, Robin van Persie led the line as a conventional number nine.
Welbeck and Giggs, however, were harder to pin down. Giggs played slightly in advance of Carrick and Cleverley, and was often the player charged with carrying the ball forward into opposition territory, but he occasionally drifted wide to take up a role on the left. Welbeck orbited in support of Van Persie, typically moving to the left when Giggs was not there, but in the game against Swansea he also made a series of bursts into the penalty area from central positions, as his two goals demonstrated. The 22-year-old blends the stamina and work ethic of a central midfielder with the pace and dainty footwork of a winger, and his mobility equips United with both an outlet on the left flank and a foil for Van Persie.

When it was put to Moyes in his post-game press conference after the Community Shield that United had been playing with three midfielders, he furrowed his brow. “I disagree with you if that’s how you thought we played,” he replied. The fluidity of modern playing systems makes assigning formations to teams something of a fool’s errand, but it may be that Moyes considers Giggs to be a member of the attacking midfield band – alongside Zaha/Valencia and Welbeck – rather than a central midfielder.


The average positions of Manchester United’s players in the 4-1 Premier League win at Swansea City. Danny Welbeck (19) played in such a similar area to Ryan Giggs (11) that his marker is concealed. Screenshot taken from WhoScored.com.
[Squad numbers: 1. David de Gea; 4. Phil Jones, 5. Rio Ferdinand, 15. Nemanja Vidic, 3. Patrice Evra; 16. Michael Carrick, 23. Tom Cleverley; 25. Antonio Valencia, 11. Ryan Giggs, 19. Danny Welbeck (concealed); 20. Robin van Persie]

It is not difficult to envisage Wayne Rooney or Shinji Kagawa slotting into Giggs’ role, as the nominal playmaker in a 4-2-3-1 formation, although neither player is as suited as the Welshman is to spending time wide on the left. Giggs also fulfils a useful defensive role, but as ESPN’s Richard Jolly has pointed out, Welbeck’s willingness to track back and support left-back Patrice Evra means that the substitution of Giggs for a more attack-minded player like Rooney or Kagawa would not necessarily make United more vulnerable on the left-hand side.
United do not currently possess a left-footed attacking player who operates on the left flank, but they would conceivably be improved by a forward-thinking left-back capable of exploiting the space freed up when Welbeck drifts inside, which may help to explain Moyes’ pursuit of Everton’s Leighton Baines. Evra does not get forward with the same abandon and the trajectory of his barrelling runs typically takes him towards the left-hand apex of the opposition penalty area, rather than the corner flag. Baines, in contrast, is happy to operate high up on the left touchline, and with Van Persie so adept at attacking balls played into the box from wide areas, he would certainly relish a more consistent supply of crosses from that side of the pitch.
For all of Welbeck’s qualities, it is one area in which he is deficient. Despite often being deployed on the left, he does not fully trust his left foot and has averaged just over three assists per season over the last three league campaigns. He nonetheless fulfils an important and multi-faceted role, and his brace at Swansea suggests he may be blossoming into a more complete attacking player.
 
Welbecks control and dribbling in tight areas proves he has fantastic technique.

I am not really sure what Amol is trying to prove. Sure Welbecks shooting is not up to the same level as RVP, but he is 1 of the best ball "strikers" in the world. Danny is better in different areas, but his technique is very very good.
Why do you think I'm out to prove something?

Someone said his technique was outstanding and up there with Van Persie's. I disagreed. What's the issue here?
 
Danny Welbeck ready to prove his worth as potent striker for Manchester United in Premier League campaign

Sir Alex Ferguson always believed he had the potential to become something quite special at Manchester United and with every passing day of increased speculation about Rooney’s future Welbeck would be forgiven for thinking that this could be his year.
Welbeck was just 16, less than a year out of school, when Ferguson began to tell people that the young striker making cameo appearances during the run to the 2007 FA Youth Cup final was the player he had waited over two decades for – a home-grown goalscorer capable of saving the club a fortune in the transfer market.
For all of the prodigious youngsters to emerge from the ranks at Old Trafford under Ferguson, only Mark Robins came close to establishing himself in the forward line before falling by the wayside almost as quickly as he arrived on the scene.
While Liverpool unearthed Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen, United saw the likes of David Healy, Giuseppe Rossi and Fraizer Campbell fail to make the grade before offloading them to enjoy comparatively successful careers elsewhere. Welbeck was Ferguson’s biggest hope, however, and he placed a protective arm around the Manchester-born forward and kept it there.
When Welbeck’s development stalled, Ferguson would talk of the ‘knee-growth problem’, Osgood-Schlatter disease, which left him in agony during his teenage years. When reminded midway through last season that the player had scored just one Premier League goal so far that campaign, the then-United manager claimed not to have even noticed.

Ferguson’s retirement at the end of last season took away Welbeck’s protective blanket, however, and the arrival of David Moyes as manager threatened to be the make-or-break moment for the 22-year-old.
Moyes was already an admirer of the England forward, but he shared the concerns over his strike rate and ability to shoulder the burden of playing in his favoured central role for United.
Welbeck then endured a false start under Moyes, missing a hatful of chanced during a pre-season defeat in Bangkok. However, through a combination of the new manager’s faith, the injury-enforced absence of Rooney and Welbeck’s growing confidence, the forward now prepares for Monday’s encounter with Chelsea with self-belief flowing through his veins after scoring two goals – double last season’s league tally – during the 4-1 victory at Swansea.
“I think sometimes you need a run and a bit of confidence with getting the goals,” Moyes said when asked about Welbeck. “Sometimes you need to get into the right areas and maybe in the past, Danny has not wanted to get right in to get his goals.
“That’s why his first one at Swansea was pleasing because he was in for a ball that was played right across the six-yard box and he got himself a tap-in. During the summer tour, I spoke to him a lot, urging him to get in more goalscoring positions.
“We kept saying to him to get in there – actually he missed a few on the tour. But when he scored his second at Swansea last week, when he flicked the ball over the keeper’s head, I said to him it was the sort of finish of someone with confidence who’d scored 20 goals in the Premier League. Can he be a 20-goals-a-season striker? We’re going to try and encourage him to be that and do everything we can to do so.”
Welbeck’s readiness to drift into more central positions under Moyes, having been largely deployed on the left by Ferguson, has been encouraged by the new regime at Old Trafford.
Ferguson conceded that “Danny doesn’t appreciate us moving him around in various positions”, admitting that he is a “natural centre-forward and will play the role once he gets maturity and consistency”. But his selection for both of last season’s Champions League ties against Real Madrid, when he was named ahead of Rooney for the second leg at Old Trafford, highlighted the player’s worth to United and Ferguson’s admiration of Welbeck’s team ethic.
Rooney’s absence from the summer tour also gave Welbeck the opportunity to place himself in the position he now occupies – as Robin van Persie’s floating strike-partner.
With Rooney nursing injuries to hamstring and shoulder, Welbeck found form and fitness by playing in seven of United’s eight pre-season fixtures. He scored goals, proved his credentials to Moyes and gave himself the opportunity to hit the ground running this season with his two goals at Swansea.
“Danny is a very valued member of our squad,” said United defender Jonny Evans. “People have been saying over the years that he doesn’t quite get the attention he should, but that is just purely down to goals. If you look at his overall play, the things he can do with the ball are unbelievable. Then there are the things he does off the ball for the team as well. The shifts he puts in are fantastic.”
 
Nice read there. It's nice to see that every year we have players emerging into the scene. Last year, there were Carrick, Rafael, DDG, and RvP. This year, (still) RvP, and now Welbeck. Who's next?
 
Did well overall, nowhere near as good as against Swansea though. His finishing let us down today, should have scored twice. Funny how everyone laughed at everyone who criticized his finishing because of two goals against Swansea, when really he has to have a full season where he shows good finishing throughout for his label as a poor finisher to be dismissed.

He's better as a striker then a winger imo but he's not going to be leading the line for us too often with van Persie, Rooney and Hernandez all being better in that position.
 
I thought he did very well in a role I've always said he's more than capable of playing for us. Also looks like he and Valencia are Moyes favourites wide which was my first guess when Moyes took over. That he'll love working with these two hard working options wide.
 
His work rate and neat play out make him a good asset out wide, just needs to develop his attacking game. He's not really gonna cross the ball so he's got to do more when he's got the ball to feet and comes inside.
 
Played well. However the reason why he shouldn't start is because the best chance of a game, might fall to him(and it did tonight twice!).
 
Good performance and general play from him but his finishing let him down again.
 
Don't think he played that well today. A bit dissapointed was expecting more after that great Swansea performance. Still managed to be our most dangerous man though, especially with his head. His overall play let him down today a bit.
 
That's no reason for him not to start, or he would not have started against Madrid away or a single United match in his career.

It's every reason why a forward should not be starting for Manchester United. This is the very top level of football.
 
Don't think he played that well today. A bit dissapointed was expecting more after that great Swansea performance. Still managed to be our most dangerous man though, especially with his head. His overall play let him down today a bit.


Agree with the bold, but don't think he was the most dangerous either. He looks more promising than last season though which is a good sign.
 
Shame he couldn't put one of those chances away, could have really started to push on into the top bracket with the winner against Chelsea, and 3 goals in the first 2 games of the season. Still, plenty of chances for him still to come!
 
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