Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Can you expand on that? I don't really think one is above another in that regard. Neither are dumb, both can have the odd brainfart, or the moment of genius. But I agree with the first part of your post.

Nani has a lot more brainfarts than the average player of his natural ability imo. Its so frustrating because all the tools are there. I think Dizzy Welbz has a superior footballing brain than him, maybe not superior natural ability but a superior footballing brain.
 
Everyone knows that he's capable of great games like today. He is still really inconsistent though, and up until now has been a very poor finisher for United. Obviously capable of moments of magic like today but Lynk isn't saying anything ridiculous. Welbeck scored just 2 goals last season, which is a terrible output whatever way you look at it. He scored twice today and lets hope he keeps it up, but you can't laugh at people questioning his finishing ability or questioning his consistency based on one game.


Laughing at them is rude, yes. But on the other hand those people are confusing his consistency with his role/pecking order within in the team. His output is linked (lynked?) to that role.

In the percentage game that is high-level organized sports, when you're designated as third or fourth scoring option, even if the clearest chance in the world presents itself to you, in those milliseconds you're still automatically - and, yes, kind of ridiculously - thinking "Can I set Option One or Option Two up?" Which of course leads to chance-flubbing/being-caught-in-two-minds galore.

I think last year was a good period in Welbeck's development. If I'm SAF and I think this kid is on his way to being one of the top strikers in the world, I lose very little in having him spend a year as third or fourth option when options one and two and three are the likes of Rvp and Rooney and Chicharito. I don't know what Welbeck's personality is like, but if it's anything like your typical cut-above-the-rest performer in any field, it doesn't hurt to 'learn how it feels/learn how it feels when teammates make sacrifices so you can score goals'.
 
Nani has a lot more brainfarts than the average player of his natural ability imo. Its so frustrating because all the tools are there. I think Dizzy Welbz has a superior footballing brain than him, maybe not superior natural ability but a superior footballing brain.

I think the same with Welbeck though. Looking back on last season, when he snatched 1 on 1's. Dribbled out of touch. I don't know if it's through over thinking (something that gets ironed out with maturity) or intelligence. When I think of the positives of Welbecks game, they generally are under physicality. Pace, work rate, stamina. He is great a pressuring defenders and giving them no time to dwell on the ball. It's no surprise his best performances came when we under pressure as opposed to on the front foot. When it comes to the intelligent side of being a striker. Movement, finishing. He hasn't triumphed there yet. One good "intelligent" feature he has though is link up. Him and Cleverley in particular.
 
I think the same with Welbeck though. Looking back on last season, when he snatched 1 on 1's. Dribbled out of touch. I don't know if it's through over thinking (something that gets ironed out with maturity) or intelligence. When I think of the positives of Welbecks game, they generally are under physicality. Pace, work rate, stamina. He is great a pressuring defenders and giving them no time to dwell on the ball. But when it comes to the intelligent side of being a striker. Movement, finishing. He hasn't triumphed there yet. One good intelligent feature he has though is link up. Him and Cleverley in particular.

I can't disagree with any of that really! Think you summed him up perfectly.
 
Nani has a lot more brainfarts than the average player of his natural ability imo. Its so frustrating because all the tools are there. I think Dizzy Welbz has a superior footballing brain than him, maybe not superior natural ability but a superior footballing brain.


Danny Welbeck's tactical understanding is very strong for an attacking player, combined with his workrate and pace/ stamina he is a nightmare for teams that like to build attacks from the back. In terms of attacking intelligence, I'm not sure how far above average he is- he's got great 'feel' for getting out of danger with the ball and finding a team mate- today was a fairly rare absolute 'brain fart' moment from him
 
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Danny Welbeck's tactical understanding is very strong for an attacking player, combined with his workrate and pace/ stamina he is a nightmare for teams that like to build attacks from the back. In terms of attacking intelligence, I'm not sure how far above average he is- he's got great 'feel' for getting out of danger with the ball and finding a team mate- today was a fairly rare absolute 'brain fart' moment from him


In fairness, he can on occasion overcomplicate things when a simple option would be better advised. Often he'll get away with it and look brilliant, often he'll lose it but nothing will come of it, it's only the times like today when it leads to a goal that you really notice. But it's hardly a worry for his future development, he'll iron it out and as the rest of his game showed today, he's going to be a really excellent player. If he can carry on getting in positions for tap ins as well, 20 goals is well within his reach.
 
I'm as outspoken a Rooney fan as any on here (well, apart from wr8, obviously), but as far as I'm concerned Rooney is going to have to win that spot back off Welbeck, because he's playing brilliantly at the moment.
 
I'm as outspoken a Rooney fan as any on here (well, apart from wr8, obviously), but as far as I'm concerned Rooney is going to have to win that spot back off Welbeck, because he's playing brilliantly at the moment.


Absolutely. Welbeck in goal-scoring form is simply undroppable.

I suppose you could fit all three of them into the starting XI too, but I think Welbeck has to be one of the first names on the team sheet at the moment.
 
Nah, not just based on today, I just think he has it in him and it might be his season after under performing last season.

I just love the Danny boy, and have absolute faith he'll make it at United. For people who have followed his career, they must know how special Welbeck' talent is.

And no, it's not his physical attributes that prompt me to make that judgement; but based more on his skill, link up play, quick thinking, and willingness to work hard.
 
The best part about the GIF was how he's still in frame jogging off, peering over his shoulder as it comes down from the sky and settles side netting.

I really love watching the lad score for us.
 
The best part about the GIF was how he's still in frame jogging off, peering over his shoulder as it comes down from the sky and settles side netting.

I really love watching the lad score for us.

He knows he just scored and was on his way to celebrate it before it went in.
 
I've said it before, and I stand by it...he's gonna become a better player then Rooney ever was.

He's also gonna be our best player in a few years.
I don't think any of this will happen.
 
Its great to see his finishing touch of youth level football and the Sunderland loan stint return. I hope its here to stay

His record was almost 1 in 5 at Sunderland - worse than it was for us in that one season he played up front regularly with Rooney.
 
Looked super confident yesterday. Needs a run and a definite role. Becoming really important for the national side and that's probably helped. Still can't fit him in to my ideal 11.
 
I think Welbeck will too but I don't think he'll be a player who scores more than about 7 goals in an average season and possibly 9 or 10 in a good one. It's not impossible but I can't see it.

His technique is fecking horrible compared to what we should be expecting from a Manchester United player aged 23 and about to make his fourth year as a senior Premier League professional.

Shame we can't hear Stickles' views on Welbeck now...
 
Danny has potentially more weapons in the locker than Rooney. He will come good in about 2-3 years time. Remember, he's only 22.

Rooney was an amazing player when he was 22, one of the best in the world. Welbeck is faster and much better to make pressure but Rooney was better at other things. Anyway, if Welbeck continues the good work he's doing this season, I expect him to be a very important player for us and to start most of the matches.
 
Best player to come through the academy since the class of 92.
 
I think very few people realise just what a talent Welbeck is. He's a late developer, he's nowhere near his best yet. I think he'll become one of the finest players in Europe.
 
Nah I think there plenty out there Rams. I think it was jb who mentioned his range of goals when he was younger. The talent has always been there.

A the risk of repeating myself its clearly been a mental issue with Danny rather than any lack of ability.

Like Cleverley leaning your trade at the top level in Championship winning side is going to be a lot tougher.
 
Nah I think there plenty out there Rams. I think it was jb who mentioned his range of goals when he was younger. The talent has always been there.

A the risk of repeating myself its clearly been a mental issue with Danny rather than any lack of ability.

Like Cleverley leaning your trade at the top level in Championship winning side is going to be a lot tougher.

His technical ability is such that if he was Brazilian or something the tards on here would be wanking over him like frustrated teenage sex addicts.
 
God, hearing pundits praise him makes me feel all giddy. Love seeing him getting the recognition he deserves. Obviously it's great seeing superstars coming in and doing the business a la RVP, but a local lad who has made his way through the academy into the first team and playing well is just fantastic.
 
I think very few people realise just what a talent Welbeck is. He's a late developer, he's nowhere near his best yet. I think he'll become one of the finest players in Europe.


Nah, I think it's fair to say a 'mainstream' viewer doesn't really rate him. There are plenty here on the caf that can see something special in him. He's a strong and wiry player which is unique at this club at the moment maybe bar RvP. Chico is the poach extraordinaire, Rooney is versatile. Rvp is complete and if Danny is working toward anything it's more of the RvP style striker. Pace, power, touch, control, vision.
 
A the risk of repeating myself its clearly been a mental issue with Danny rather than any lack of ability.

I'm not sure if it was a quote from Moyes or not, but one of the reports from the last couple of days talked about confidence issues he detected with Welbeck during the tour.
 
Nah, I think it's fair to say a 'mainstream' viewer doesn't really rate him. There are plenty here on the caf that can see something special in him. He's a strong and wiry player which is unique at this club at the moment maybe bar RvP. Chico is the poach extraordinaire, Rooney is versatile. Rvp is complete and if Danny is working toward anything it's more of the RvP style striker. Pace, power, touch, control, vision.

He does remind me of Van Persie in his Feyenoord days. Very similar. Except I would say Welbeck is a better athlete.
 
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