His second goal was brilliant too. Precisely the type of finishing he was lacking last season. I hope these two goals give him the confidence to go on and score 20+ this season.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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He didn't say that Welbeck was generally inconsistent. He said he was "still" inconsistent in a game he fecking scored twice!
Yep. I'm sure Ferguson would take that attitude. "Nope, you're fine as you are Danny"
Because he made a costly error. Christ are you deliberately delusional?
Don't worry. Maybe he'll only score one in the next game and you go go to town on how "inconsistent" he still is.
It's actually offensive how delusional you are. It really is.
By this logic all of a players detriments should automatically be dismissed after a good game, which is ridiculous. By this logic, if Welbeck has a poor game next week then he's a terrible player. That's how nonsensical it is. Welbeck is generally an inconsistent player and still is. A spell of good games don't automatically change that.
"Those goals will do him good" is not crediting him for scoring the goals and saying he did well, it acknowledges that he scored them and basically says you hope they will help him be less shit.
You have the right to constructively criticise (Saying a young player needs to be more consistent is pretty much stating the obvious, by the way, but anyway.. ) and I have the right of rebuttal- I'd say that Welbeck is showing that my opinion of him was more accurate than yours was.. not exactly delusional.
but hey continue with your ad homs because the player you have devoted the last year trying to discredit is proving you wrong and you don't like being called out on it.. if you can't handle people commenting on your posts, don't post- or put us 'RAWKite-lites' on ignore and be done with it.
I'm not going to bother. That wanker will always find a way to have a pop at Danny. But when a player has a good game then it's trolling to say its evidence of him "still" being inconsistent. I'm sure there will be bad games from him to come. But today was not one of them.
The only reason you're even making a fecking issue of this is because of my tagline.
God forbid we actually post the faults of a player that he can improve on instead of doing a RAWKite circlejerk.
No it's not. He might be overly critical of Welbeck, but an inconsistent player having a good game does not automatically mean that he's no longer still an inconsistent player. What part of that don't you understand?
Being inconsistent implies that a player can have as many bad games as good games. How the hell can a good game, like today, be used as evidence of "still" being " inconsistent"? As I say, Danny maybe will have a bad one soon, and then he knock himself out having a pop at him.
Because he was a mixed bag last season, and we've only had two games this season?
Looking forward to him proving all of the doubters wrong this season, and I am sure he will.
I don't think I'm being overly critical. I'm just being forced to defend my stance of his "inconsistency" so much that it looks like all I'm doing is being negative towards him. He scored a good strikers goal and fecking beautiful dink. But he also made an costly error that we shouldn't ignore.
Lynk was trying to say that he's still an inconsistent player, which is true. He wasn't trying to use today as evidence, with the exception of him costing us a goal. His reason for him doing that was because some people seem to be over-reacting to his good start to the season with grand claims that he'll score 20 goals and that he'll be a better player than Rooney. Of course I hope he'll have a great season, but he could easily be in a spell of good form which soon fades. He's inconsistent, and an excellent start to the spell doesn't mean that fact can simply be dismissed.
How did you get the tagline btw? I expect through intelligent, reasonable, non-angenda based debate, no?
Why you get that tag line, but not a thread ban, I do not understand.
Why should he get a thread ban though? It's not as if he's saying anything out of the ordinary that's wrong.
Used to score quite a few chipped finishes for the reserves and under 18s so always had it in his locker but great to see he has the confidence to do it
Explain to me how crediting him on his goals, but criticizing him when he makes an error isn't fair criticism? He just needs to cut out moments like that and he'll be flying. It looks like I'm being negative about him because people can't accept criticism and I'm forced to have to defend myself from people like you and Drainy who would rather a RAWKite forum where every Manchester United player is perfect.
Because your tag line shows you know fecking nothing.
Everyone knows that he's capable of great games like today. He is still really inconsistent though, and up until now has been a very poor finisher for United. Obviously capable of moments of magic like today but Lynk isn't saying anything ridiculous. Welbeck scored just 2 goals last season, which is a terrible output whatever way you look at it. He scored twice today and lets hope he keeps it up, but you can't laugh at people questioning his finishing ability or questioning his consistency based on one game.
because of your history in this thread.. bumping whenever he fails to score and misses chances etc
Inconsistency is a trait that pretty much all young players share- stating it is almost pointless- like saying 'needs to improve decision making on the ball'- it's empty because he's probably where you'd expect him to be at his age. The best way to discuss it is in reference to what you'd expect for a player of that age
My criticisms of Welbeck would be more focused on his positioning during build up to attacks (he sometimes lacks awareness of where other attackers are and shows for the ball and encroaches on the other attacker's zone) and anticipation (he's not as sharp around the area as he should be as a striker)- as well as the obvious problem with his composure in the box.
I think people get annoyed when it's the same people constantly drawing attention to the faults of the same players. It eventually comes across as subjective and highlights certain poster's apparent agendas.
It wasn't a surprise to read Lynk's comment.
He was the only who came in with that inconsistent comment, true or not Lynk has certainly got an agenda against Danny which is fecking weird but there you go.
He was the only who came in with that inconsistent comment, true or not Lynk has certainly got an agenda against Danny which is fecking weird but there you go.
I didn't have the option of thread banning back when I gave him the tagline.
I also bump regularly when he's a had a fecking stormer. And credit him when he's had a good game. He reminds me of Nani in his early years here. Capable of a special moment, but also infuriating at times. Welbeck will mature in a similar fashion, I'm sure of it.
Eh? Nani aside from contractual issues has been good since that game at the Emirates in 2010.
People are always pratting on about young English players not getting any chances at 'the big clubs'.
Those people can feck off.
Those people can feck off.
Why he should get a thread ban? He's not saying anything that is wrong. He credited him for his goals, but still one game doesn't make him from an inconsistent player to a great one. As he said, he is still developing, special at times but infuriating at others. Nothing wrong on that.
Danny is a good player who has been bad at finishing, hopefully those two goals (and the goal for England) will give him the confidence he needs and he continues the good work. But let's not act that he has already become a good goalscorer after only a productive week.
I honestly don't care if you do. But it's a very RAWKish thing to do, banning someone who has the audacity of an giving an opinion. I'm worried this forum is heading more towards that now.
Excellent today, his goals were great, and his workrate continues to impress me even though it's a real consistency in his game. Shame he had that brainfart for the Swansea goal, probably overconfident at that moment, but excellent overall.
I regret not using that as my original post.
I hope/expect Welbeck to develop into a far bigger player then Nani, i mean bigger in the sense of more important to the team and overall a more influential and better player.
I like Nani but you talk about inconsistency, surly he epitomises that?
I think Welbeck would, simply because of the home grown element. I also think he's a more professional player than Nani. Nani had a very good year in 2010, starting really when he was being written off before the Emirates game. Won players player of the year in 2011. But since then he's been injured frequently, and has had contractual issues, so I understand the inconsistency.
Exactly, shudder at the thought.
Just to clarify: haven't read the rest of the thread, I'm a bit pissed, just wanted to post my thoughts on his performance, I was very happy with how he did today. I've always liked him and have defended him time and time again to friends who would just look at his stats, when there's a lot more to his game. But if he can add goals to it, as he should as a striker, that's great.
That would mean he would win Players player of the year, become a key player and genuinely deservant of PFA Player Of The Year. (Bale robbed Nani that year imo)
I'd hope Welbeck would turn into a more influential and above all a more consistent player than Nani. His football intelligence is a level above Nani as it is anyway so I would expect him to.
Can you expand on that? I don't really think one is above another in that regard. Neither are dumb, both can have the odd brainfart, or the moment of genius. But I agree with the first part of your post.
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