Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Barclay's hit the nail on the head there for once. It's always nice on those rare occasions that you read something in the sports media and the writer actually seems to know what he's talking about.

The point about Shearer is a good one too, I hadn't thought of that before. Similarly low-scoring at Welbeck's age.
 
6 goals in his first 11 starts is probably better than most England strikers anyway. His poor goalscoring is a bit of a myth based on one season spent almost exclusively on the wing.
 
I don't really get the no9 thing. If we ignore arguments about over-all ability (ie I'm obviously not saying he's better than Shearer), comparing him to Lambert, Carrol and Shearer is to do a massive disservice to a lot of facets of his game. It's the same point I was making in comparing him to Lukaku, and ultimately Drogba in another thread. All 5 of those players have a reasonable similar MO, and for me it's not Welbeck's game at all.
He's got the vision and skills to add loads more to our attack playing deeper or wider. He makes things happen - it's just that for England he often has to finish them off as well, as nobody else will.
 
Chabon said:
6 goals in his first 11 starts is probably better than most England strikers anyway. His poor goalscoring is a bit of a myth based on one season spent almost exclusively on the wing.
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Yep, true. We know he's not actually a bad finisher, whatever the reason for his poor return last season - he's scored enough excellent goals, of all different types, to prove that much.
 
Brightonian said:
Yep, true. We know he's not actually a bad finisher, whatever the reason for his poor return last season - he's scored enough excellent goals, of all different types, to prove that much.
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Said it before and I'll say it again, he's like a young mark Hughes in that he's a scorer of great goals, not a great goal scorer
 
golden_blunder said:
Said it before and I'll say it again, he's like a young mark Hughes in that he's a scorer of great goals, not a great goal scorer
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I see what you're getting at but Welbeck has pace Hughes never had anything near.........it gives him a totally different dimension. Plus Hughes could probably volley a cucumber better than Danny could a football. ;)

Ive said it here a few times before, Welbeck's lack of goal's is purely a mental thing. Hopefully Moyes can work that side of things out.
 
In order to get into the United first team, you need a really high level touch and control, something that's pretty much impossible to achieve by 18-19.

I have no doubt that Welbeck has been doing tons of work to shore up his game these last few seasons, and that inevitably means that he's not spending as much time on striker-specific training.

Chicharito has also had to put a lot of work into shoring up his game, and I'm not surprised that he hasn't managed the same return rate as his first season, when he was more raw, but also more solely focused on finishing only.

Or am I talking nonsense?
 
golden_blunder said:
Said it before and I'll say it again, he's like a young mark Hughes in that he's a scorer of great goals, not a great goal scorer
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At the moment, yes. But as the Shearer comparison shows, you can't say anything for sure about a 22-year-old. Welbeck has scored more goals/game than Shearer had at the same age, and Shearer didn't have to contend with being played on the wing/behind the striker half the time.
 
gooDevil said:
In order to get into the United first team, you need a really high level touch and control, something that's pretty much impossible to achieve by 18-19.

I have no doubt that Welbeck has been doing tons of work to shore up his game these last few seasons, and that inevitably means that he's not spending as much time on striker-specific training.

Chicharito has also had to put a lot of work into shoring up his game, and I'm not surprised that he hasn't managed the same return rate as his first season, when he was more raw, but also more solely focused on finishing only.

Or am I talking nonsense?
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Less so in Welbeck's case Id say ;)
 
gooDevil said:
In order to get into the United first team, you need a really high level touch and control, something that's pretty much impossible to achieve by 18-19.

I have no doubt that Welbeck has been doing tons of work to shore up his game these last few seasons, and that inevitably means that he's not spending as much time on striker-specific training.

Chicharito has also had to put a lot of work into shoring up his game, and I'm not surprised that he hasn't managed the same return rate as his first season, when he was more raw, but also more solely focused on finishing only.

Or am I talking nonsense?
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Not nonsense, but I'm not sure I agree with most of it. Touch and control have always been Welbeck's strengths, certainly more than finishing (he was no slouch in front of goal as a youngster, but it wasn't his particular forte either). So I doubt he's been specifically working on them more than anything else. Certainly he's not a Hernandez who needed to 'shore up' that part of his game.

Also I think Hernandez' return rate hasn't really gone down. He had a good season, then a not-so-good season, then another good season but with less playing time, in which he matched the goals-to-minutes ratio of that debut season.
 
I really hope he will kick on. It's one of the most annoying opinions that he's "shit". It's so plainly obvious that he has all the ability and for a large number of people to right him off, probably having not seen him play all that often, based purely on stats in ridiculous.
 
Him and RVP look like a fantastic combo, judging on that first half. So much technical ability between the two :drool:
 
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Him and RVP look like a fantastic combo, judging on that first half. So much technical ability between the two :drool:
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Agree this lad is the real deal will be a superstar when he adds goals to his game! Pace power and skill in abundance!
 
They happen. All part of the learning process.. at least he did it when we were 3-0 up and cruising rather than in a tight game like some have in the past
 
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