Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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My favourite player to watch. Through just his work rate and ability he'll nail down a first team spot in all of the big games this season imo. He's a faster, stronger, more technically gifted version of Park at the moment, and just like Park I think that the players and management will always appreciate a player like that more than the fans sometimes.

I genuinely believe he's on the cusp of being one of the best players in the league. He gets chances every game he plays regardless of his position, and once he gets the confidence then he'll score a lot of goals for us.
 
He's excellent, I choose to ignore that loads of people talk about him as being shit. He deserves to play for this club and he will do for a long time to come.
 
Most non-United fans and plenty of mongy United fans.

Well I wouldn't be bothered with the non-United fans. I have never seen any on here call him shit, there are criticisms alright, but if anyone thinks he is 'shit' then they are indeed 'Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime'.
 
Well I wouldn't be bothered with the non-United fans. I have never seen any on here call him shit, there are criticisms alright, but if anyone thinks he is 'shit' then they are indeed 'Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime'.

Plenty of people on here don't rate him, whether they've actually used the term "shit" I do not know. I just don't get how people can't see how good a player he is.
 
Plenty of people on here don't rate him, whether they've actually used the term "shit" I do not know. I just don't get how people can't see how good a player he is.

I guess if people don't rate him then that is their prerogative. But if anyone actually thinks he is shit I would be baffled.
 
From the Guardian and Michael Cox...

More interesting was the role of Welbeck, particularly as he was playing in the support striker role more commonly filled by Wayne Rooney. Welbeck's lack of goal threat remains something of a concern, but his touch, positioning and link-up play are always extremely impressive, and here he was particularly involved, drifting away from Ben Watson to receive balls forward from midfield, and encouraging others forward with simple, reliable short passes.
A consistent feature throughout Welbeck's fledgling career – even when played wide, or when he spent a season on loan at Sunderland – has been his high pass completion rate, and here he misplaced just four of his 39 passes. If Rooney does leave Old Trafford this season, the more creative Shinji Kagawa will hope to receive more opportunities in that No10 role but Welbeck demonstrated here that he's also deserving of a starting place.
Welbeck was also crucial in another impressive feature of United's game, namely pressing high up the pitch, where he and Robin van Persie started the closing down deep inside the Wigan half. The FA Cup holders are accustomed to Roberto Martínez's back three, featuring good passers capable of playing their way out of trouble, but Owen Coyle has assembled a more rudimentary defensive quartet in preparation for the more physical challenge of the Championship and the number of times United dispossessed Wigan's defenders in the opposition half was particularly intriguing.
It's dangerous to read too much into the tactics used in a glorified pre-season friendly, of course, but the natural attitude in such a fixture is for players to be passive, especially on such a hot afternoon at Wembley. The fact that Welbeck and Van Persie were so committed to pressuring opponents was doubtless because of instructions from the coaching staff, and probably an indication that Moyes wants his sides to press from the front once United start their competitive campaign at Swansea next weekend.

If Moyes wants us to press more then regardless of how many goals he scores Welbeck is a must to start most games isn't he?
 
I don't really think we played a pressing game today. Sure rvp and welbeck closed down defenders, especially Carson who looked like he was about to self combust whenever he recieved the ball.

Most the game we sat off and tried to contain their midfield, and would then try and nick the ball around the half way line.

I just don't think our team are capable of a proper pressing team right now. Containing seems to work best which suits the counter attacking abilities.
 
said it before and i'll say it again, I dont think i've ever seen a forward who wins back the ball so much with his pressing
 
said it before and i'll say it again, I dont think i've ever seen a forward who wins back the ball so much with his pressing

At City last season, it was Welbeck, who had barely been on the field for 5 minutes, that pressured Clichy into a mistake that led to the free-kick, which Van Persie scored the winning goal.
He didn't score a goal, he didn't get a assist, I doubt he got any credit, but it is that kind contribution that will not get any headlines, but people in the game and the management of the club value highly.
 
If Moyes wants us to press more then regardless of how many goals he scores Welbeck is a must to start most games isn't he?


I agree. Nobody presses better than Welbeck, in the Premier League. I don't think I can remember a player winning so many balls and tackles in the opposing half as Welbeck. Tevez was quite good at that before he went full-throttle-cnut on the world, but I think Welbeck is even better at defending high up the pitch. Park used to press and be a nuisance, but I don't think it resulted in anywhere near as many successful tackles and interceptions as what Welbeck manages. I bet he's a right bastard to play against.

He just needs to add goals to his game. I genuinely believe he's fantastic at almost every aspect of the game other than putting the ball in the net. Could probably be a little better in the air for a big lad, but he's already decent. He just needs to compose himself infront of goal. It seems like when he enters the penalty area, his legs turn to jelly.
 
I'm clearly alone on this issue but there's no doubt to me that his touch is extremely hit and miss. Unless he ups his goal tally this year which face it wouldn't be hard I can't see his long term future here.


You're just stupidly wrong.
 
I agree. Nobody presses better than Welbeck, in the Premier League. I don't think I can remember a player winning so many balls and tackles in the opposing half as Welbeck.


Definitely. Pressing I think is his main asset and is undoubtedly the best in our team (Kagawa looked excellent on that for BVB but hadn't replicated that for us) and likely the best in the league. If Moyes will use pressing as part of the tactic, I see Welbeck as one of the first names in the sheet.
 
I agree. Nobody presses better than Welbeck, in the Premier League. I don't think I can remember a player winning so many balls and tackles in the opposing half as Welbeck. Tevez was quite good at that before he went full-throttle-cnut on the world, but I think Welbeck is even better at defending high up the pitch. Park used to press and be a nuisance, but I don't think it resulted in anywhere near as many successful tackles and interceptions as what Welbeck manages. I bet he's a right bastard to play against.

He just needs to add goals to his game. I genuinely believe he's fantastic at almost every aspect of the game other than putting the ball in the net. Could probably be a little better in the air for a big lad, but he's already decent. He just needs to compose himself infront of goal. It seems like when he enters the penalty area, his legs turn to jelly.


Rooney was a bit like that too, but eventually they learn to stop waisting their energy running around like looneys, and end up conserving it for when it really matters.

If our whole team pressed as 1 unit, it sure would make life easier. The amount of times you see 1 person chasing after the ball from about 3 different players as they pass it around you sure is annoying.
 
He looks sharp. I confuse him and Zaha from a distance as they're both gangly feckers.

inb4 racist.
 
From the Guardian and Michael Cox...



If Moyes wants us to press more then regardless of how many goals he scores Welbeck is a must to start most games isn't he?
I would think so. Everton always pressed up the pitch and my guess is he'll do the same here. Moyes will love Welbeck.
 
Definitely. Pressing I think is his main asset and is undoubtedly the best in our team (Kagawa looked excellent on that for BVB but hadn't replicated that for us) and likely the best in the league. If Moyes will use pressing as part of the tactic, I see Welbeck as one of the first names in the sheet.


At the reserves and youth level, I can't remember him doing this much of pressing. That loan to Sunderland really helped him develop that part of the game.

As much as I love his ability to press I think saying that is his biggest strength is an insult to the player that he is. Anyone with good stamina and discipline can press like he does but his ability on the ball is what is truly remarkable and sets him apart.
 
Welbeck has looked a lot more selfish and direct this preseason than I've ever seen him before. I've a feeling this will be his breakout season goalscoring-wise. I reckon he'll get 1 in 3 if he's played as a striker.
 
Really do think we could feck Rooney off and just let Danny do his thing.

Sure we may suffer in terms of goals to begin with, but if it makes him that much a better player he could be an absolute animal eventually.
 
Really do think we could feck Rooney off and just let Danny do his thing.

Sure we may suffer in terms of goals to begin with, but if it makes him that much a better player he could be an absolute animal eventually.


I fully agree with this! Would love to see Welbeck play up front with RvP behind him.
 
The only thing he lacks is composure around the box. He'll be double the player he is right now if he becomes confident and starts taking his chances. It's only a matter of time. His goal drought is making him more determined to contribute off the ball as well, which is why I think he's involving himself too much into pressing the opponents. His speed, stamina, passing, first touch and creativity are more than decent for a player of his age. Once he becomes composed he'll start putting the ball into the net very often. There's still time for people to jump on the welbeck bandwagon. He's gonna be a monster of a player very soon.
 
I think Danny will be a striker, leading the line, with his physique and pace.


I've always thought the same but he's proving to be a great asset defensively up against teams employing a passer at the base of their midfield - and that applies to almost every team nowadays. Rooney was always praised for his energy and selflessness but I can't ever remember him doing that job as effectively. Van Persie works hard but you don't want him doing that kind of work with his injury record. I don't think we can rule out Chicharito being a long-term starter for us either, in which case Welbeck would have to be the deeper of the two. He's got all the assets bar finishing to play right up top but he's got such a range of qualities that I think he can basically develop into whatever he wants to be. If the easiest route to a long-term position in the team is as a deeper forward then I've no doubt he can focus on developing that side of his game to get to a high level. The only thing I'd say is I'm not convinced his passing's creative enough for that kind of role. He could still become a wide-forward of sorts despite his issues last year.
 
Welbeck is looking more and more like a midfielder to me.


Considering I really do reckon he's very complete other than putting the ball in the net, it's an interesting point. His passing is great, he tackles cleanly, using strength over diving in, incredible energy to get between both boxes, strong as an ox which supports his incredible ball retention. I reckon he'd absolutely kill it as a box-to-box Yaya type. If he's played as a striker since he was a youth, then you;d expect goalscoring to be one of his primary assets by now. It really isn't, but just about every other possible trait is. Stick him next to Carrick. I reckon he'd boss it.

A City fan who I work with mentioned it to me ages ago. Think I even posted about it in this thread. Most opposing fans seem to write Welbeck off as shit, but my City mate is a big fan, but says he's crap at scoring goals, which he's not too far wrong about. He himself compared him to Yaya in terms of what he's good at and his physicality. I reckon he's got a not-too-mental point.
 
I've always thought the same but he's proving to be a great asset defensively up against teams employing a passer at the base of their midfield - and that applies to almost every team nowadays. Rooney was always praised for his energy and selflessness but I can't ever remember him doing that job as effectively. Van Persie works hard but you don't want him doing that kind of work with his injury record. I don't think we can rule out Chicharito being a long-term starter for us either, in which case Welbeck would have to be the deeper of the two. He's got all the assets bar finishing to play right up top but he's got such a range of qualities that I think he can basically develop into whatever he wants to be. If the easiest route to a long-term position in the team is as a deeper forward then I've no doubt he can focus on developing that side of his game to get to a high level. The only thing I'd say is I'm not convinced his passing's creative enough for that kind of role. He could still become a wide-forward of sorts despite his issues last year.


That's a pretty good analysis I feel, Brwned.
 
Plenty of people on here don't rate him, whether they've actually used the term "shit" I do not know. I just don't get how people can't see how good a player he is.
His bad productivity in front of goals is masking his true worth. He's like what Carrick used to be when he first joined us, he looks unimpressive on the stat sheet because they do all the little things that doesn't show up on the highlights and you wonder what's wrong with the team when they're not playing.
 
:lol:

Christ! The caf is really desperate for a CM...


What's so laughable about it? Look at what he's good at, compared to what he's not so good at. Young strikers being converted into deeper positioned players isn't really that outrageous, especially if their primary assets lie outwith goalscoring, which you could argue is the case with Danny. He's great all over the pitch, but is very rash infront of goal.

He's a very complete in terms of what he's capable of. In terms of his individual abilities, I think he'd excel massively in a deeper role, in a midfield 3 or a wide midfielder. Considering what he does so well on the pitch, I don't really think it's that ridiculous.
 
Welbeck is not a midfielder and will never be one. It's just the caf is so desperate for a midfielder now some will soon be calling for De Gea to play in the middle because he has good distribution.

Welbeck's best position is right up top where he can utilize his main attributes - pace and strength. At worst he'll become a Kanu style player.
 
Rooney was a bit like that too, but eventually they learn to stop waisting their energy running around like looneys, and end up conserving it for when it really matters.

If our whole team pressed as 1 unit, it sure would make life easier. The amount of times you see 1 person chasing after the ball from about 3 different players as they pass it around you sure is annoying.

Welbeck is much more efficient with his pressing, he cuts down on the passing angles of the defenders and tries to force them into making a bad pass whilst maintaining his position, Rooney used to be terrible at maintaining discipline and would inevitably end up deeper than our fullbacks at times just to try and win the ball back.
 
Welbeck is not a midfielder and will never be one. It's just the caf is so desperate for a midfielder now some will soon be calling for De Gea to play in the middle because he has good distribution.

Welbeck's best position is right up top where he can utilize his main attributes - pace and strength. At worst he'll become a Kanu style player.


You say that as if pace and strength are traits which don't suit the midfield. I'm not saying he is a midfielder. He obviously isn't, because he doesn't get picked to play there. I'm just saying he's certainly got the attributes which could serve him well if he was employed in a deeper role. His passing accuracy, ball retention, ball winning and pressing are certainly more impressive than his crossing, finishing and movement in the box.
 
For a deeper role he needs to have a very good passing range which I've not seen from him. His one touch passing is good but general passing is not enough to dictate the tempo of the game. He's good defensively as a striker. That doesn't mean he can play as a DM. We'll just be wasting one position if we use him there. He doesn't have that kind of passing and he'll look to burst forward at every possible chance. A positional sense is expected from a DM with occasional attacking contributions. Not the other way round. People criticize cleverley for not having enough positional discipline but he would be ten times better than welbeck in midfield. The deepest I can see him play is an AM or a wide forward. Nothing more. A midfielder needs to be precise in passing and needs to take calculated risks. You don't want your midfielder to take bursting runs through the middle only to lose the ball and putting unnecessary pressure on the rest of the team. Also we lose a bit of creativity if we place him in midfield.
 
I think he's looked brilliant for club and country so far this preseason. If he can keep it up, we won't miss Rooney at all.
 
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