Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Why do people turn into such precious fannys when it is pointed out that he was shite in front of goal last season and his goal-scoring record was atrocious? It is a fact. The argument that he played out wide, etc, are all well-and-good, but anyone who watched him last season can tell you that he missed a lot of good chances.

No-one is saying he is a poor player. And there is absolutely nothing wrong in pointing out his obvious shortcomings. Most agree though, that he has talent and has lots of plus points to his game; workrate, hold-up play, technique, link-up play, etc.
 
it's still an awful return for someone playing in an advanced position. He may not have been a "striker" but he was still playing an attacking role for us.
City just shelled on Navas who scored 1 in 44.

Why do people turn into such precious fannys when it is pointed out that he was shite in front of goal last season and his goal-scoring record was atrocious? It is a fact. The argument that he played out wide, etc, are all well-and-good, but anyone who watched him last season can tell you that he missed a lot of good chances.

No-one is saying he is a poor player. And there is absolutely nothing wrong in pointing out his obvious shortcomings. Most agree though, that he has talent and has lots of plus points to his game; workrate, hold-up play, technique, link-up play, etc.

It doesn't really bother me that it is brought up. I don't give a feck if he scores under 10 a season for his entire career. I'll still support him.

It's bizarre that it just keeps coming up when people say there is plenty to his all-round game that shows a lot of potential. "BUT LOOK HIS SCORING RECORD IS SHIT".. 'well he tried hard and was out of position a lot'.. "BUT LOOK HIS SCORING RECORD IS SHIT"..

I still would love to see more of him leading the line and with Rooney in behind. There is no doubt that he is more comfortable leading the line than out wide. He's not exactly a winger come striker or vice versa. Like saying to a Carroll or a Drogba 'can you do me a job on the wing'. It's not really going to work. (In no way am I directly comparing players, just the out of comfort zone role.)
 
Where the hell are you getting that stat from? Nani had 4 goals last season in 17 games.

Let's not include international goals. Nani played a total of 21 games (15 starts) and scored 3 goals; Welbeck played a total of 40 games (23 starts) and scored two goals.
 
Let's not include international goals. Nani played a total of 21 games (15 starts) and scored 3 goals; Welbeck played a total of 40 games (23 starts) and scored two goals.

He hasn't been including international goals. Nani played 17 games, scored 4 goals and made 5 assists.
 
Why do people turn into such precious fannys when it is pointed out that he was shite in front of goal last season and his goal-scoring record was atrocious? It is a fact. The argument that he played out wide, etc, are all well-and-good, but anyone who watched him last season can tell you that he missed a lot of good chances.

No-one is saying he is a poor player. And there is absolutely nothing wrong in pointing out his obvious shortcomings. Most agree though, that he has talent and has lots of plus points to his game; workrate, hold-up play, technique, link-up play, etc.

Spot on. Playing out wide has nothing to do with his failure to bury the ball into an open goal from a few yards out. His composure is an issue for me, be it in making the final pass or putting the ball into the net. Hopefully it improves with age.
 
He hasn't been including international goals. Nani played 17 games, scored 4 goals and made 5 assists.

He scored against Spurs in the league, at Chelsea in the League Cup and against Reading in the FA Cup. His "fourth goal" was against Turkey for Portugal. And he did not play 17 games, he started 15 games and was used as a sub six times.
 
Bit harsh, I thought it mirrored the level of your orignal comments on Welbeck quite well.

"The fecker can't score and until he finds even an average number of goals, his promise is simply mythical"

Yes but I didn't call YOU a fecker nor to feck OFF, right?
 
Saha was excellent that season when fit. But I don't think it's a great comparison. Saha could be wasteful upfront. Welbeck freezes completely.

In the sense that there is far more to thier forward game than goals, and the whole team plays better with them in the side. Also, 'freezes completely' is bs, he scored a similar amount of goals two seasons ago to Saha in his best season for us.
 
Saha was excellent that season when fit. But I don't think it's a great comparison. Saha could be wasteful upfront. Welbeck freezes completely.


It's as if people have just erased Welbeck's entire career here before last season the way people talk about him now. We have every reason to believe 12/13 was an anomaly and 11/12 was the norm - the way his career was progressing up front suggests so, and he's obviously been effected by playing out wide much more frequently than ever before. FWIW, Saha in 04/05 scored one goal in 669 PL minutes, Welbeck last season scored one in 1290 minutes (less than half of which were played up front). And this was Saha when he was 4 years older.
 
He wasn't exactly a finishing machine in 11/12 either. He was pretty frustrating in and around the box in that season also.
 
Yes, it was poor, but is it typical? It's like you haven't watched him past last season. I reckon Welbeck will score 15-20 goals next season myself.

Well if he scored that many, then I wouldn't complain - I'd rather be wrong if United benefit. But he won't play enough games to get that many...
 
It's as if people have just erased Welbeck's entire career here before last season the way people talk about him now. We have every reason to believe 12/13 was an anomaly and 11/12 was the norm - the way his career was progressing up front suggests so, and he's obviously been effected by playing out wide much more frequently than ever before. FWIW, Saha in 04/05 scored one goal in 669 PL minutes, Welbeck last season scored one in 1290 minutes (less than half of which were played up front). And this was Saha when he was 4 years older.

For what it's worth, I think Welbeck missed far more easy chances in 2011/12. Last season he simply did not have as many opportunities, he didn't get into good positions not nearly as frequently. But with Van Persie holding down the number nine spot, it's not really a huge surprise.
 
Yes, it was poor, but is it typical? It's like you haven't watched him past last season. I reckon Welbeck will score 15-20 goals next season myself.


Hectic, you're serious? I think that it's almost impossible for that to happen. 10 goals and we will be all happy.
 
I have a lot of faith in him. I think he will be full of goals once he properly settles down. I'd take 10 of course, but yeah that's what I think he will get.

I'll look forward to the bump in a years time either way.
 
I think 10 goals next season should be his target. I would be surprised (pleasantly of course) if he exceeded that.
 
It's as if people have just erased Welbeck's entire career here before last season the way people talk about him now. We have every reason to believe 12/13 was an anomaly and 11/12 was the norm - the way his career was progressing up front suggests so, and he's obviously been effected by playing out wide much more frequently than ever before. FWIW, Saha in 04/05 scored one goal in 669 PL minutes, Welbeck last season scored one in 1290 minutes (less than half of which were played up front). And this was Saha when he was 4 years older.
Strikers go through rough phases. How many minutes did Rvp not score for last season? Or Rooney early on in his united career? It happens. But you can still differentiate between those players and their respective phases.

For what it's worth, I definitely think welbeck can improve in this are and I fully expect him to.
 
And it's not just the goalscoring record. Welbeck seems to almost get confused when in and around the box. It's as if his senses suddenly shut down when he gets there. He'll improve though I reckon.
 
Welbeck has great technique when on the ball and whilst playing little one-twos and stuff. When he gets into the box, he grows another leg which disobeys his every command, hence the finishing.
 
Hopefully will score during pre-season to get the only thing in my mind from becoming a better finisher, confidence. With all his other ability/technique - the only thing it can be. He may never be as good a finisher as compared to say a Chicha but, then the rest of his game will more than make up for it either by creating more chances for others or for himself.

And hanging out with Clevz probably needs to stop, both suffer from what the feck was that when it comes to finishing of chances.
 
Hopefully will score during pre-season to get the only thing in my mind from becoming a better finisher, confidence. With all his other ability/technique - the only thing it can be. He may never be as good a finisher as compared to say a Chicha but, then the rest of his game will more than make up for it either by creating more chances for others or for himself.

Yep, definitely. He's certainly not an inherently poor finisher. We've seen too many fantastic finishes from him to believe that. It's confidence. Which is why he also mucks up other stuff in the box too often, things which he can do with his eyes closed elsewhere on the pitch.

And confidence never stays away forever.
 
I have a lot of faith in him. I think he will be full of goals once he properly settles down. I'd take 10 of course, but yeah that's what I think he will get.

I'll look forward to the bump in a years time either way.

We all like him, but it's a bit delusional expecting him to score 15-20 goals. He won't play as a striker every week and I think that in most of games he'll play as a winger. He cannot displace RVP (or even Chicha though here there is a slim possibility) as the main striker and from the wings 10 goals are excellent. Nani for example is a much better finisher than him and still in his best seasons he scored only 10 goals. That's what I think should be Welbeck's target.
 
And it's not just the goalscoring record. Welbeck seems to almost get confused when in and around the box. It's as if his senses suddenly shut down when he gets there. He'll improve though I reckon.

Yep, his play goes to nuts in the box. Things he'd do with ease elsewhere on the pitch. A lot of it must have to do with anxiety I reckon, Strikers thrive on goals and he's had a dry spell for a while. Even though he hasnt played as a striker per se, he's still got into great positions very often. I think things will settle for him once he scores a few and gets the monkey of his back.


Welbeck has great technique when on the ball and whilst playing little one-twos and stuff. When he gets into the box, he grows another leg which disobeys his every command, hence the finishing.


The lads gets excited seeing the goal in sight, let him be.
 
All Danny has to do is to play with joy. Forget about the pressure, the expecations, the message boards or whatever. He's a naturally gifted professional athlete who has shown us glimpses of brilliance and there's every reason to believe he can string together brilliant performances with a bit more regularity, which is nothing more than anyone expects.

Just play with joy, Danny!
 
Strikers go through rough phases. How many minutes did Rvp not score for last season? Or Rooney early on in his united career? It happens. But you can still differentiate between those players and their respective phases.

For what it's worth, I definitely think welbeck can improve in this are and I fully expect him to.


We know that Saha missed countless easy chances, we know Saha was prone to going through real lean streaks - which surely at least partly contributed to Sir Alex's complaints about his weak mentality - and we know all this from watching him in his prime. Is it really that hard to believe that at Welbeck's age he had similar issues in front of goal? At the age of the 23 he'd scored just 6 league goals in 58 league games.
 
Calling it right now but Danny will score more than 15 goals this season and will go in Brazil and lead the line for England.
 
Calling it right now but Danny will score more than 15 goals this season and will go in Brazil and lead the line for England.


He's capable of it, but I don't think he'll get the minutes up front to amass that amount.

Unless Rooney goes & he's bumped up the pecking order, of course.
 
He's capable of it, but I don't think he'll get the minutes up front to amass that amount.

Unless Rooney goes & he's bumped up the pecking order, of course.


Yeah, agree with you. He doesnt play as a striker often enough to get 15 goals. 10 would be a more realistic target. Even if Rooney does, I dont see us playing 2 strikers under Moyes who considers CM such an integral part of winning the game and has talked about having numbers there.
 
Calling it right now but Danny will score more than 15 goals this season and will go in Brazil and lead the line for England.

I hope you're right. Nothing in the world of football right now would please me more than Danny Welbeck taking the step up and becoming an undeniable top shelf player. It would be satisfying on all sorts of levels.

Hopefully he can progress further in the right direction under Moyes. Petty as it sounds I would love to see all the naysayers - whose views range from pessimistic to just plain stupid - eat their words.
 
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