Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Rozay said:
I think some people have to accept that due to the diverse nature of our fan-base, not everyone appreciates the whole 'because he's a Manc' thing as much as the next man. Some non - British fans, for instance, probably just want to see the best players possible playing for their team.
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It mainly has to do with "lets just spend 20m on a proven player". Which in all honesty is a stupid statement in itself. Basically most modern fans think that it's fine to just throw cash around to bring in "better" players. So, yeah that is a good shout. I absolutely fecking love that he is born and bred manc. He's like gold dust and he will always get the 100% backing from the club in terms of development.

If he was ever to be anywhere near time to pack up and leave I think it will only be through the club totally and utterly being 100% finished with him and not prematurely.
 
ghaliboy said:
It mainly has to do with "lets just spend 20m on a proven player". Which in all honesty is a stupid statement in itself. Basically most modern fans think that it's fine to just throw cash around to bring in "better" players. So, yeah that is a good shout. I absolutely fecking love that he is born and bred manc. He's like gold dust and he will always get the 100% backing from the club in terms of development.

If he was ever to be anywhere near time to pack up and leave I think it will only be through the club totally and utterly being 100% finished with him and not prematurely.
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He will only be like 'gold dust' if he proves himself a Manc who is also of the level to be a United player. Being a young footballer from Manchester in itself doesn't make you that special, otherwise we could fast-track more of them into the team. It's important not to compromise on quality while pursuing our ideals of promoting young players. I think concerns as to whether Welbeck as a footballer meets that quality threshold is not outlandish.
 
Rozay said:
He will only be like 'gold dust' if he proves himself a Manc who is also of the level to be a United player.
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To the fans. Not the managerial staff at United.. Which (thank the fecking lord if the Caf is anything to go by) is the main thing.
 
If he's not good enough in the future we get rid, simples. Welbeck probably knows this as much as anyone. We don't keep sub-par players just because they are from manchester.
 
My desire to see an Italian lead the line for United and Italy certainly caused me to get a bit too excited about Macheda. I can see how others would be biased towards Welbeck for being a Manc.
 
it doesnt make a difference if hes from manchester or tokyo, if hes not good enough then he isnt good enough, his place of birth shouldnt matter one bit when judging his ability.
 
shaggy said:
If he's not good enough in the future we get rid, simples. Welbeck probably knows this as much as anyone. We don't keep sub-par players just because they are from manchester.
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Which tells everyone pretty much everything they need to know about his ability. Also he'll get all the time he needs to develop, like I said the club won't get rid because they think he's not going to make it. Unless they are absolutely 100% stonecold sure that they need to let him go.
 
Relevated said:
it doesnt make a difference if hes from manchester or tokyo, if hes not good enough then he isnt good enough, his place of birth shouldnt matter one bit when judging his ability.
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But if he is from Tokyo then how does he have the club's DNA in him from a young age? It probably sidesteps my original point slightly but think about the aspect of being able to tell the world that you cultivated a player from a young age and made him into a star. (Or contrary, gave him enough chances before you were 100% sure it wasn't the right thing to be at the club anymore.) The chance to show everyone in the surrounding areas that if you grow up supporting United there is every bit the chance you can make it to the first team also be something special.

There are plenty of aspects of why it makes a difference that you're born and raised Manc local and join the academy at a young age. PdelicBlues' point is a great one.
 
ghaliboy said:
But if he is from Tokyo then how does he have the club's DNA in him from a young age? It probably sidesteps my original point slightly but think about the aspect of being able to tell the world that you cultivated a player from a young age and made him into a star. (Or contrary, gave him enough chances before you were 100% sure it wasn't the right thing to be at the club anymore.)

There are plenty of aspects of why it makes a difference that you're born and raised Manc local and join the academy at a young age. PdelicBlues' point is a great one.
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It makes a difference sure but its not the be all and end all
 
Relevated said:
It makes a difference sure but its not the be all and end all
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No but it's the point I made why the club and it's staff value these type of things more than the fans who just spout 'buy this guy instead 20m no worries' when they think a player isn't good enough. The entire modern philosophy has stemmed from the fact that SAF identified and engineered the careers some of the most talented in a crop of youngsters in a long time. The club can't really be seen not giving youngsters a chance to make the first team.

Unless of course the club is moving in some new direction when it comes to promoting youth and giving it a chance to grow rather than cutting it loose at the first chance they get or spending ludicrous sums of money buying up anyone and everyone that they can.
 
Are these new quotes?

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/news/moyes-backs-welbeck-importance_94157.html

Manchester United manager David Moyes has revealed that he was quickly informed of Danny Welbeck's importance to the club upon his arrival at Old Trafford.

Welbeck scored just twice in 39 matches for United last season, but Moyes has insisted that the 22-year-old will have a part to play next season.

The 50-year-old told reporters: "When I arrived at the club, I was informed of how important Danny's been, and how important he will be in the future.

"We will give him the opportunities, because he has got the chance to get a few games now, and hopefully the goals will follow.

"He had a couple of chances the other night, but it would be worse if he wasn't getting any at all, but hopefully we will starting taking one or two of them and give him the confidence that he needs to go on a run of scoring goals."
 
Steven Seagull said:
Are these new quotes?

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/news/moyes-backs-welbeck-importance_94157.html

Manchester United manager David Moyes has revealed that he was quickly informed of Danny Welbeck's importance to the club upon his arrival at Old Trafford.

Welbeck scored just twice in 39 matches for United last season, but Moyes has insisted that the 22-year-old will have a part to play next season.

The 50-year-old told reporters: "When I arrived at the club, I was informed of how important Danny's been, and how important he will be in the future.

"We will give him the opportunities, because he has got the chance to get a few games now, and hopefully the goals will follow.

"He had a couple of chances the other night, but it would be worse if he wasn't getting any at all, but hopefully we will starting taking one or two of them and give him the confidence that he needs to go on a run of scoring goals."
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Come on....these are standard remarks that could be made about any squad player/striker.

The fecker can't score and until he finds even an average number of goals, his promise is simply mythical.

I mean, two goals in a season??? Two goals!
 
manusteve said:
Come on....these are standard remarks that could be made about any squad player/striker.

The fecker can't score and until he finds even an average number of goals, his promise is simply mythical.

I mean, two goals in a season??? Two goals!
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manusteve said:
Come on....these are standard remarks that could be made about any squad player/striker.

The fecker can't score and until he finds even an average number of goals, his promise is simply mythical.

I mean, two goals in a season??? Two goals!
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It's not like he had a season immediately prior to last one, which saw him score 12 goals, just four less than Rooney did last season while playing three more games. You'd have to be a bit of an idiot if you can't see his promise at this stage, or if you think last season was a typical one in terms of goal-scoring ability.
 
Hectic said:
It's not like he had a season immediately prior to last one, which saw him score 12 goals, just four less than Rooney did last season while playing three more games. You'd have to be a bit of an idiot if you can't see his promise at this stage, or if you think last season was a typical one in terms of goal-scoring ability.
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But two, for fecks sake?
 
manusteve said:
Sure, ok. Let him play up front and see the goals flow.
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I'm just saying, granted he is a striker but last season he barely played up front so it is unfair to judge him solely on goals scored. He's developing well enough to play for Manchester United anywhere across the front line and just in behind as well, that's good enough for a 22 year old IMO. Things like composure (which he was lacking last season) will come with experience.
 
JB7 said:
I'm just saying, granted he is a striker but last season he barely played up front so it is unfair to judge him solely on goals scored. He's developing well enough to play for Manchester United anywhere across the front line and just in behind as well, that's good enough for a 22 year old IMO. Things like composure (which he was lacking last season) will come with experience.
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It's unfair to call him rubbish or laughably say he lacks technique based on his goal-return last season. But it certainly isn't unfair to point out that his goal-return was pathetic for a player that only ever played in an 'attacking' position. I'm sorry but two goals and 4 assists is an extremely poor return. I do however see Welbeck's strong points and if, as you say, he works on his composure and decision making in the box, then he should be fine.
 
Robbie Boy said:
It's unfair to call him rubbish or laughably say he lacks technique based on his goal-return last season. But it certainly isn't unfair to point out that his goal-return was pathetic for a player that only ever played in an 'attacking' position. I'm sorry but two goals and 4 assists is an extremely poor return. I do however see Welbeck's strong points and if, as you say, he works on his composure and decision making in the box, then he should be fine.
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I haven't defended his goal record whatsoever mate - or even suggested he had a good season. ;)
 
JB7 said:
I haven't defended his goal record whatsoever mate - or even suggested he had a good season. ;)
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I wasn't necessarily referring to you as such. It seems some on here look for excuses about his goal-scoring last season, when in reality, it is worrying and deserves scrutiny.
 
JB7 said:
How many times did he actually play as a striker?
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He hardly played as a goalkeeper. Saying that he didn't play as a striker is a very poor excuse. He scored less goals than Evans, Evra or Rafael. He didn't played as a striker but he played in a very attacking position and his return (in both goals and assists) was very poor. He needs to improve on that part of the game, as soon as he improves better for both us and him.
 
Fergus' son said:
Saha was bloody brilliant in 06/07, the team looked so fluid with him up top.

Good comparison between him and Welbeck.
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Saha was excellent that season when fit. But I don't think it's a great comparison. Saha could be wasteful upfront. Welbeck freezes completely.
 
Revan said:
He hardly played as a goalkeeper. Saying that he didn't play as a striker is a very poor excuse. He scored less goals than Evans, Evra or Rafael. He didn't played as a striker but he played in a very attacking position and his return (in both goals and assists) was very poor. He needs to improve on that part of the game, as soon as he improves better for both us and him.
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His goals and assists were in line with the other wide players last season. Given that every one of our wide players were unproductive in terms of goals/assists, maybe the problem was with the way we played them (further from goal, get it to Rooney/Kagawa/RvP early, also seemed like when they were forced out wide the job was to win a corner) rather than their ability.

Yes we were a threat from corners last year and that meant defenders were chipping in with goals, that doesn't really say anything about our wide players.
 
Regardless of where he was played last season, he still missed a bucketload of chances, mainly by deciding to fall over as soon as he got into the box. I'm not sure why people are arguing against the fact that his goal scoring ratio is shit, because it is absolutely shit.

it's hardly a bad thing, obviously he'll work on it and improve. He's too talented not to.
 
Drainy said:
His goals and assists were in line with the other wide players last season. Given that every one of our wide players were unproductive in terms of goals/assists, maybe the problem was with the way we played them (further from goal, get it to Rooney/Kagawa/RvP early, also seemed like when they were forced out wide the job was to win a corner) rather than their ability.

Yes we were a threat from corners last year and that meant defenders were chipping in with goals, that doesn't really say anything about our wide players.
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We all said that our wingers were shit last season and they were. Saying that Welbeck has as good stats as them is hardly a good thing. In fact, Nani has 2 goals and an assist more than him despite playing half the games compared to him.

It's hilarious this thread, on one side are people who claim that his technique is hit, on the other people who refuse to believe that his end product is shit.
 
Revan said:
In fact, Nani has 2 goals and an assist more than him despite playing half the games compared to him..
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If you're talking about last season no he doesn't.

Nani- 1 goal 2 assists in 15 apps
Welbeck- 2 goals 4 assists in 34 apps

Everyone accepts Welbeck isn't the finished product btw. It's just some people can see that he can be a top player, and that most 22 year olds aren't the best high up the pitch.
 
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