What if we could sell Welbeck for 25m to someone desperate for English players, and buy Lukaku instead? Still young, so philosophy's got nothing to do with it.
I would.
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What if we could sell Welbeck for 25m to someone desperate for English players, and buy Lukaku instead? Still young, so philosophy's got nothing to do with it.
I would.
No way. Welbeck is potentially a special player, he can grow into an absolute joy to watch. Lukaku is just another Drogba... a flat-track bully with an eye for goal. Admittedly he'd be a safer bet - Welbeck is more of a gamble undoubtedly, but it's a gamble I'm happy to take.
Oh, and Philosohy does have plenty to do with it. If you can't see the difference between playing a Manc lad who has grown up in the club and buying a proven Premier League goal-score from Belgium off Chelsea (who just happens to still be young) then you don't understand the philosophy you're talking about.
How are people discussing selling Welbeck? He's a born and bred Manchester lad and a genuine fan of the club. Lets worry about selling Rooney.
This is phenomenal. Just another Drogba, you know you can buy a Drogba on every supermarket.
Ok Ok, now please when I talk bullshit I get jumped on so come on guys, denounce this insanity the way you denounced me!
I must admit I am also concerned he could end up just being another Drogba, rather than a world class, powerful and deadly striker.
Wouldn't worry yet, you might strike gold and get a new Carlton Cole out of him or something.
Did it. Just another Drogba would be the worst case scenario for Premier League teams (bar you). One of the top 5 strikers ever in Premier League IMO, but apparently Lukaku can become just another Drogba.
Hang your head.
One of the most retarded things I have read in this thread and that is some achievement.
Thank god Lukaku's just another Drogba. Imagine if he's like Van Basten.
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but I am too. One of the best big-game players I've ever seen...... A flat track bully.
Well if you think Welbeck is inarguably a better prospect than Lukaku, then fair enough, although to justify the one word answer he would have to be so obviously better that only an 'idiot' would think otherwise.
I don't even know how youv'e managed to glean that out of everything i have said so far.
I replied to a single textless smilie! Maybe it's a habit you should cease.
If it means more posters will entirely miss the point and spout more wummy bollocks then it may be a possibility.
I know everybody is
Thought that might get a rise.The point I was actually making, but couldn't be arsed explaining as it seemed more fun to slag off Drogba (largely due to a personal dislike for the man), is to do with style of play rather than level. Drogba may have been one of the very best "power" strikers in Premier League history, and would be a valuable addition our team at pretty much any point other than when we had RVN. But given the choice of a mini-Drogba or a mini-Henry, I'd rather have the latter.
The problem is, that the skill-sets needed for the former are much more straight-forward to judge. The Premier League is littered with powerful strikers of a certain level, and you know what you're getting with them. Strikers who base their game more on pace, vision, tricks etc are a much more fickle bunch, but I'd still rather take the chance on one.
There was a game in 11/12 which showed how important Welbeck's technical skill was in that season - and how he doesn't lack it. See the Fulham game (home) towards the end of the season. We took off Welbeck... and look what happened to our attack.
The point I was actually making, but couldn't be arsed explaining as it seemed more fun to slag off Drogba (largely due to a personal dislike for the man), is to do with style of play rather than level. Drogba may have been one of the very best "power" strikers in Premier League history, and would be a valuable addition our team at pretty much any point other than when we had RVN. But given the choice of a mini-Drogba or a mini-Henry, I'd rather have the latter.
The problem is, that the skill-sets needed for the former are much more straight-forward to judge. The Premier League is littered with powerful strikers of a certain level, and you know what you're getting with them. Strikers who base their game more on pace, vision, tricks etc are a much more fickle bunch, but I'd still rather take the chance on one.
Drogba wasnt just a power striker however you define that. He was much more than a tall man upfront.
The point I was actually making, but couldn't be arsed explaining as it seemed more fun to slag off Drogba (largely due to a personal dislike for the man), is to do with style of play rather than level. Drogba may have been one of the very best "power" strikers in Premier League history, and would be a valuable addition our team at pretty much any point other than when we had RVN. But given the choice of a mini-Drogba or a mini-Henry, I'd rather have the latter.
The problem is, that the skill-sets needed for the former are much more straight-forward to judge. The Premier League is littered with powerful strikers of a certain level, and you know what you're getting with them. Strikers who base their game more on pace, vision, tricks etc are a much more fickle bunch, but I'd still rather take the chance on one.
You're letting your dislike for him cloud your judgement. Drogba was one of the best strikers that ever played in the league, and his blend of pace, power and technique made him an absolute nightmare to play against.
I can still remember him popping up with some ridiculous volleys against Arsenal to get Chelsea the points.
Try and communicate. More, less, nothing, never?
And while you're about it take a look at the other posters who just post in smilies, notice anything?
I think it was more the 'flat track bully' notion that made me laugh the most considering he must have one of the best rates vs the top sides in Europe.
Scored in pretty much every game he was in vs Arsenal, vs Liverpool, some crackers vs Barca, against United, Bayern etc.
Scored in pretty much every game he was in vs Arsenal, vs Liverpool, some crackers vs Barca, against United, Bayern etc.
Drogba is one of the finest strikers of his generation. A celestial beast of a player. Period.
I imagine he is what Keane or Viera would have been like had they been skilled centre forwards. I also loved his combative spirit, team ethic and competitiveness. Had he played for us, we'd have worshipped every time he biatch slapped another player. SAF would have built a team around him.
Premier League (or world football in general) has not seen a player of his type since. (George Weah and Mark Hughes being similar types from the generation before).
I imagine he is what Keane or Viera would have been like had they been skilled centre forwards. I also loved his combative spirit, team ethic and competitiveness. Had he played for us, we'd have worshipped every time he biatch slapped another player. SAF would have built a team around him.
Premier League (or world football in general) has not seen a player of his type since. (George Weah and Mark Hughes being similar types from the generation before).
And has a top class player ever finished their career at a club in a more fitting way than calmly stroking home the penalty to win the biggest prize? He can always rest assured he was a huge percentage of the reason we won those titles, FA cups and of course the ECL.
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True, as I said he was right up there with and RVN and Shearer in my book (and as much of a cnut as one of them too). But I always feel that the Cantonas Ronaldos, Scholeses and RVPs, who have that extra bit of magic who are more in our DNA. Whether or not it actually makes them more effective is by-the-by... I'd include players like Berbatov, Yorke and Sheringham in that bracket, though none of them would beat Shearer or Drogba into any given team.
Which is basically why I'd rather see what Welbeck can become than take Lukaku. Along with the home-grown thing.
Yeah slightly mis-used the phrase, wasn't referring to level of opposition, but just his general approach to the game. Just "bully" may have been more fitting, though it wouldn't take into account his hilarious, if relentless, injuring feigning antics.
Drogba still for me has/had the best all-body control in the modern game. Or at least that I saw anyway. When the comment in the other thread "It was like Saha's shoulders were feet" I instantly thought of Drogba, then thought "If that is the case then Drogba's whole body was a foot."
Made this - purpose of video is to show how technically gifted he is. This was one of his best performances in 11-12. He lacks technical skill? Ok.
It was one person who said that. Everyone else can see that his technical ability is one of the strongest parts of his game.
I know. I don't think he gets enough credit for things he does well. Too much focus is put on his poor goal scoring record, IMO.
I don't think it's a crime to point out that he needs to improve his finishing / goal-scoring record. But to say he lacks technical ability is absolutely mental.
I'm very happy with most of his game, I just really hope he improves in-front of goal this season. I think his confidence is lacking at the minute and too often he looks for a pass instead of being selfish and going for goal himself, that's a hallmark of a forward lacking confidence.
I think it's also about putting things forward in a more respectable manner, as opposed to some people writing him off without considering a few factors. The lack of technical ability part amazed me. I mean, how can anyone explain Welbeck being our first choice striker in 11/12? It was clearly down to technique. He created 80 (33 chances, EDIT) chances in that season. The control at 3:32 in the video is insane. I also agree with you on him having to take a more selfish approach. Sturridge, for instance, is amazingly selfish. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That's 100% better than passing it when there's no need to. I have a lot of faith in Welbeck.
As I have said in an earlier post; his performance against Everton at OT in the 11/12 season showed just how good he can be and his goal in that game showed great technique. To question his technique is just so bizarre. Some of the goals he has scored to-date have shown great technique as has some of his general play.
Yeah Sturridge is one of the most selfish around; maybe Welbeck needs to find some sort of middle-ground between when to pass and when to be selfish and go for goal himself. However, I do feel last season it was probably a lack of confidence in-front of goal that made him pick the wrong option on plenty of occasions. I rate him though, and I'm hoping he can improve his goal-scoring record this season and play with more confidence in-front of goal.
feck, great shout for Saha comparison. Watching that made me go .. "Saha!".
.. "Saha!".I think some people have to accept that due to the diverse nature of our fan-base, not everyone appreciates the whole 'because he's a Manc' thing as much as the next man. Some non - British fans, for instance, probably just want to see the best players possible playing for their team.
I'm personally not from Manchester, although I would always be happy to have a homegrown player in the team on the provision that it doesn't compromise on quality. Welbeck is currently on the very border of doing that for me, as if we strip away all the jibba, jabba - what we have is simply a striker who isn't really all that good. That said, I think he is just about good enough, and has enough potential - to be kept on on the basis that he is a local. I mean, I would have loved for Ravel Morrison to make it into the team, as I feel we could boast a genuine top-class talent who was also homegrown. Barcelona clearly have a bias towards their own youth, but it is justified by the fact that they produce players who are better than anyone else'.
It would take an awful lot for us to sell Welbeck, and I wouldn't like to see a habit made of bringing local players into the team who have similar levels of productivity as him in their respective positions. What would happen, is we would simply have a weaker team than our rivals.
I'm personally not from Manchester, although I would always be happy to have a homegrown player in the team on the provision that it doesn't compromise on quality. Welbeck is currently on the very border of doing that for me, as if we strip away all the jibba, jabba - what we have is simply a striker who isn't really all that good. That said, I think he is just about good enough, and has enough potential - to be kept on on the basis that he is a local. I mean, I would have loved for Ravel Morrison to make it into the team, as I feel we could boast a genuine top-class talent who was also homegrown. Barcelona clearly have a bias towards their own youth, but it is justified by the fact that they produce players who are better than anyone else'.
It would take an awful lot for us to sell Welbeck, and I wouldn't like to see a habit made of bringing local players into the team who have similar levels of productivity as him in their respective positions. What would happen, is we would simply have a weaker team than our rivals.
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