Maybe his best position, but not as a winger in the pure sense. I do like him best centrally though as he is very good at one and two touch play, which is more useful in the centre. He's not as good as Kagawa, mind you, so...
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Maybe his best position, but not as a winger in the pure sense. I do like him best centrally though as he is very good at one and two touch play, which is more useful in the centre. He's not as good as Kagawa, mind you, so...
Rooney had more than Welbeck did as a youngster, he showed terrific technique and scored some great goals. Welbeck is a striker who shrinks in front of goal that is a problem. He is getting played all over which doesn't help but despite that he does not capitalise on the chances he does get.
I was also wondering if he could play outwide he has the pace, skill and ability to beat players that is needed and playing there more he could become competent at the other skills. If he continues being a striker who can't score it may have to be considered.
p.s comparing him to Henry and Van Nistelrooy?? seriously
Of course Rooney had more in his locker than Welbeck, but Rooney too made the easy chances sometimes look ridiculously difficult - hence why Fergie said he would never score tap-ins. A player can improve those things, just like a tap-in expert like Chicharito can improve his all-round play.
He could play out wide, but I still think his close control and his acceleration are a bit poor for that. He would struggle to make a quick dribble and accelerate past quick fullbacks like Nani can or a younger Giggs could.
Did I ever compare him to Henry and RVN? If so, I do apologize, especially for the latter one. You might argue the poor man's Henry comparison, but RVN??? no way.
People are saying that many very good or even great strikers were not prolific when they were young and are using Henry as an example, not comparing him to Welbeck as a talent... there is a difference.
He's a young player going through a rough patch, let him get through it. Remember when Hernandez couldn't even trap a ball and was struggling for goals? Players can go through dips, deal with it.
He's a young player going through a rough patch, let him get through it. Remember when Hernandez couldn't even trap a ball and was struggling for goals? Players can go through dips, deal with it.
One would think that's quite obvious, but apparently not...
I'm glad to see that the ones with sense have come out to play, where were you all hiding when I was getting attacked from all corners.
Welbeck is overall too good to just reject him. He only got one thing to work on and he still got many quality years ahead of him.
A bit more trust and patience and he'll repay that, double as he got a truly great character and attitude towards his football club.
A bit more trust and patience and he'll repay that, double as he got a truly great character and attitude towards his football club.
I don't think many are suggesting we should get rid? He is a good player and can become a great player, imo. I still think he can do a good job as a striker and even hinted that he may well become prolific, but was merely wondering if there are better positions for him. However, I do not see any worthy comparisons between him and RVN.
But it actually comes across as quite ignorant comparing Henry to Welbeck. Henry was flights ahead of Welbeck at this stage of his career. He was a winger at Monaco and was extremely promising (won young player of the year in France) was scoring goals in the Champions league and helped Monaco win the title. You would swear Henry was some complete failure before he moved to Arsenal. He was still a winger at Juventus and it was Wenger who turned him into a striker.
I personally find the comparison rather silly and apart from appearnence / physique, I don't see any comparison with Henry. Why not compare him to some other random striker, lets say Demba Ba or maybe Forlan?
Welbeck at 20 broke through into the United team that had reached a CL final and scored 13 goals in his first full season for the club and at the same time broke into the England squad. That in my opinion is good going, perhaps not as good as the French Player of the year but still impressive. And like Henry we're not sure of Welbeck's best position. You say Wenger turned him into a striker which is true but it was also Wenger who played him as a winger which earned him a move to Juventus in the first place. There's also the similarity in physique as you pointed out. I am not suggesting he'll become as good as Henry but he's one that came to mind so I compared him
It's almost as if Welbeck wasn't ever nominated for young player of the year, or came second in the FA's player of the year awards after leading the line very well for England at a major tournament..
but yeah he's shit because he's shit and don't dare mention any other players who went from being promising but not prolific to being top strikers cos LOL
but yeah he's shit because he's shit and don't dare mention any other players who went from being promising but not prolific to being top strikers cos LOL
Do you really think he's shit? That's a bit harsh. He is a talented player and hopefully a good scoring run will give him the confidence to do it on a regular basis.
Oh dear. I was taking the piss out of his rather shit post. Nobody was saying Welbeck is 'shit' so it was a-bit of a weird post.
Teaches me not to think so low of fellow caftards. Was amazed why someone would conclude what I thought you did after reading his post but after all the twitter related posts, didnt think twice.
It was ripping on this abortion of a post. As Akash mentioned at 20/21/22 Welbeck was leading the line for Manchester fecking United in the league and champions league and has been nominated for a number of awards so can be considered to be fairly promising in his own right..
but hey, he's one of ours and we've all seen him make silly mistakes so lets play down his talent and laugh at any 'comparisons' that can be made with top strikers who weren't prolific in their youth.
Doesn't matter at all that he was nominated for the young player of the year. I think that almost everyone here said felt very strange about it, and clearly both De Gea and Rafael had much better seasons than him. Bale won on 2010-2011 the best player of the year and his main competitor was Scot Parker, so you're not gonna make anyone listen to you if that's your argument.
Has anyone said he's shit? Lynk is saying that he won't be our main striker ever while the other poster said that he will hardly improve his goal scoring ability in this point. The last one is nonsence while the first opinion is subjective and most of people here disagree with it. On the other side, is clear as day that if he doesn't improve it, and that a very big improvement, he won't ever make at United. If in the next couple of seasons he has scored only about 10 goals, then I seriously doubt that he's gonna have a future here. But he has shown that he can score on 2011-2012 when he scored 12 goals in 39 games (not good for a main striker, but considering his age it was excellent) and he is very talented that I hope and believe that he'll be a good striker (though I am reserved if he'll ever be our main striker). But saying that everything is fine and he's gonna make it regardless is as wrong as saying that he's not going to make it. He's still in the process of being a promising player but in this season hopefully he'll be more than that cause it will be his fourth season at EPL.
I still find the comparison silly. I'm sorry If that upsets you. Absolutely no one was slating Welbeck though, in fact, I think plenty on here highly regard him. I think maybe you know, there is also a tendency to overrate our players on here, works both ways really. Anyway, here's to hoping our Danny can kick on next season and hopefully get into double figures in the scoring stakes. I reckon a few goals will give him the confidence he needs.
Agree. I don't see anything wrong with that comparison and I don't think that no-one claimed that he'll be as good as Henry.
Hernandez in his worst season scored as many goals as Welbeck in his best one, despite playing less games, not having a rest and a preseason and having some injuries. Welbeck is not only going on a rough patch of goal he has never showed signs that he's good at scoring. His decision making and composure when he is near the goal many times is amateur-ish. He has every chance to make it here, but I don't see anything wrong with people who are being worried about his inability to score goals. And if he doesn't improve it drastically than regardless of his talent I doubt that he's gonna have a future here cause no-one wants a striker who don't know to score. Of course, writing him off in the age of 22 is criminal, but no-one needs to deny that his inability to put a football on goal is worrying.
He scored 12 to be more exact, and yes I agree that he has every chance of being a 20 goal striker for season. But I also think that he has regressed on that part of the game last season. While he was always wasteful, last season it was really bad. It is to a degree a confidence and mentality thing, I hope that Moyes give him the chance, but no-one should deny that he should improve it massively.
Can you not remember Hernandez struggling to even control the football from simple passes? THAT was amateurish, a lack of composure in front of goal is a sign of inexperience and lack of confidence. Even if Chicharito scored a few goals that season (he did go through a bit of a drought) he was breaking down play to a point where chipping in with less than 15 goals doesnt make playing him worthwhile.
If we're introducing injuries as excuses now, Welbeck has problems with his knees and that has affected his ability to get into a rhythm. He is in a rough patch in front of goal, look at the goal he scored for England Vs Belgium or some of those open training goals he scored where his finishing technique was great.. his confidence is just a bit low because he has been asked to play deeper meaning he has fewer goal chances and the ones he gets are more difficult. If he's played regularly as a striker he'll get sharper.
On 'strikers who don't score', you are right and wrong- there are plenty of strikers who have 1 in 3-4 records (which is where Danny is at currently when he plays that role) who find themselves at good teams because they can hold the ball up, bring others into play, press defenders etc. Welbeck can do all those jobs extremely well. If he leaves us it will be for a top 6 team. He offers enough to a team to justify his place, even as a centre forward. I'm sure Rooney loved playing with him before we signed RvP and Welbeck brought the best out of him. I still think he'll kick on one season and become a 1 in 2 striker for us for at least a couple of years.
There has been a lot of impatience on here and on twitter about him and it pisses me off, it's part of our club to let young players grow into the team and Welbeck has shown that he can do the job.. even if we missed out on the league the year he led the line, on goal difference to one of the last kicks of the season, it wasn't his fault we missed out..
He 'regressed' because he was no longer playing up front.
Playing up front on a regular basis he will be netting 15-20 goals a season, that's pretty clear IMO.
That Belgium goal was classy.
He has it in him. A goal, even in pre-season, would give a big help and hopefully that confidence boost he needs in front of goal. He often seems to take a bit too much time in front of goal and seems unsure of what he wants to do. Once he gets a couple, then it'll become more instinctive and his return will improve.
It's pretty clear? What he has shown would tell me that he is not near that at all, and he needs a lot of development to reach that.
12 in his breakthrough season playing as a striker, adding 3 goals onto that as he continues his development is the minimum I expect of him.
I think it's a-bit of a confidence issue with Welbeck at the moment. He did miss some sitters last season and on plenty of occasions he went for a pass instead of going for goal himself, all the hallmarks of a striker suffering with his confidence in front of goal. Hopefully he can hit the ground running at the start of the season and get a goal or two early on. The other problem is that he will have to get used to being rotated and playing out on the wing as he isn't good enough to our first choice striker with the players that are ahead of him in that position.
I also think it is a bit of red-tinted-specs to suggest that he would be a given to score 15 to 20 a season if he played up top. A 20 goal a season striker is quite hard to come by and Welbeck will most definitely have to improve his finishing if he is going to hit those sort of numbers.
You don't think he can improve his tally of a couple years ago (the only season he has played upfront, even then he was heavily build up orientated) by 3 or more goals?
As of now? No I don't think he can. He has a very long way to go to reach those sort of heights. And the reality is that he has 3 very good players ahead of him in that position. I don't see him as a natural goal scorer but he can bring a-lot to the team with his all-round game. If he hit double figures next season I would be delighted but I'm not confident that he will.
A 22 year old cant improve his goal tally by 3 goals?
Sorry, I know it's your opinion, buts it's laughable. Best leave it here because we will never agree.
It seems people have forgotten Hernández's inability to control a ball travelling towards him in 11/12. He improved in linking up and the weaker aspects of his play, after playing as a striker the following season. He matured so much. How is Welbeck meant to improve his finishing and find his momentum when he can't even get a run of three games straight playing as our lone striker? I don't get it. He squandered three great chances yesterday, there is no excuse for not scoring, regardless if it's a pre-season friendly or not, but some are acting as if he's the finished product...
You really think it's that easy? It's not just improving by '3' goals, if you really believe that, then I am baffled. He scored 2 last season, so why not just say improve by '18' goals if that's your logic?
Who are these plenty of strikers, who score one on 3-4 games and play at top clubs?
It is not clear at all. It's just an opinion heavily influenced because he's a United player and is local. He hasn't showed that is clear that he can score 20 goals a season. Anyway, 20 goals per season probably won't be enough if he's going to be our main striker.
Because I'm using the one season he has got a consistent number of appearances as a striker under his belt.
It is improving by 3 goals, ultimately.
Hardly. There's not many 22 year olds I wouldnt back to improve their goal tally by three goals as they get older, especially ones with as much natural talent as Danny.
Ok but your logic is extremely flawed. What's to say he is capable of getting that amount of goals again? Not saying he can't or won't, but that logic is just plain wrong. He has to improve aspects of his game if he ever wants to be scoring 20 a season on a regular basis. So it's not just about getting '3' more goals. But if you want to believe that then fair enough. You do realise that he missed numerous chances last season? Two goals really was a pathetic return and it's not as if he didn't get many opportunities to score. To me, he is far from the finished product and I hope next season he can start scoring more frequently and improve his finishing.
1. You are repeatedly taking his best season, and then saying that he can score 15-20 goals, and to do that he needs to improve it by only 3 goals which in fact is 3-8 goals.
2. He has three seasons in EPL, and has scored 20 goals in total during these three seasons. While he didn't play last season as a striker, still only 2 goals for a season is criminal.
3. No one is denying Danny's talent, we are saying that his ability to score goals at the moment is almost in-existent.
I think that while he has a big chance to become a great striker, it is not as clear as you are saying.
Its not a scientific formula ffs.
I saw him play in his breakthrough season for Utd as a striker and score 12 goals. I don't think that was some sort of purple patch for him and believe he can clearly match that return again and improve it on it by three goals.
Like I said, we won't agree because you have your mind made up.
What is my mind exactly? I like Welbeck but I'm telling you what I saw in front of me last season. You're blind faith is just a-bit much, imo. Even in his breakthrough season, he finishing was erratic at times and still is. It's a part of his game that he really has to improve on. I'm sorry but this whole '3' goals thing is just a poor argument.
Yeah, atleast 3. The key is in the wording.
I'm using his best season, because it's the only season he has played regularly in the position we are discussing. Seems logical but not to some, they're rather use seasons where he has been clearly down the pecking order and often utilised on the wing. His best season was also a season when he was only 20, again it seems logical to me that a player as young as that can improve his goal tally from that season as he develops but obviously not!
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